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    Love the 335 but as you know it is big and heavy. Looking for 335 alternatives that are sub 7lbs, have the comfort carve-out on the back side, and are under $3.5K. At the moment the leading candidate is the Knaggs Chena (6.2lbs). Anybody play one?

    I like the new PRS McCarty 594 Hollowbody II (6.5lbs) but its pricey, and too new to find used. Older PRS Hollowbody II also an option but doesn't appear to be as 335 as the new 594 model? Anybody play one? I didn't find any vid comparisons between these models.

    Collings SoCo Deluxe a beauty but doesn't have the rear carve-out, is a lb heavier than the Chena, and pricey.

    Also, forgot to add I'm not very interested in the 339... which I see someone just suggested, thanks.

    Other models you might suggest?

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    339

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    Does it have to be a semi? There is a 330 with humbuckers (2018), solves the light part.

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    An older PRS Hollowbody might just be the ticket. There are a lot for sale e.g. on Reverb.

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    Maybe something from Ibanez AM series would be an option. They are smaller version of AS (which is moreless like 335 in terms of size). I have played low level model and it's super comfortable and handy. You can find some nice higher models for sure.
    Good luck!

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    Thinline Tele with 24.75" mahogany neck and humbuckers..... okay, not readily available, I know....

    (I made my own, but with a P90 ;-)

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    The Heritage Millennium (sized roughly like a Les Paul) — Don't know if they make them new at the moment though.

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    I 2nd the Ibby AM series. Not a heavy guitar, much more comfortable to play than a standard 335.

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    Try Engel Guitars. Excellent stuff!

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    Take a look at the Carvin/Kiesel semis. I've been playing the SH575 for several years now and I love it. Fit, finish and craftsmanship second to none. Great fretwork. The Frank Gambale model is probably closest to the 335 shape you want, but smaller and lighter. 14" across, and usually about 6-3/4 lbs. I saw one on Reverb the other day, pretty rare to see a used one.





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    Epiphone casino coupe

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    The Gibson or Epiphone Johnny A. model is wonderful, form-wise.

    Or you can go with the Les Paul ES model. All three models check your boxes.

    Neither is cheap, but you didn't mention budget, so there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LtKojak
    The Gibson or Epiphone Johnny A. model is wonderful, form-wise.

    Or you can go with the Les Paul ES model. All three models check your boxes.

    Neither is cheap, but you didn't mention budget, so there you go.
    Epiphone also makes an ES-Les Paul.

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    casino coupe is actually a good suggestion...its slightly smaller body and true hollow..no center block...so lighter..maybe a bit under budget for you tho! hah

    also, take a look at new prs se hollows

    prs se hollowbody -new

    cheers

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    A couple of possibilities:
    Comins GCS-1 (maple-topped version)
    Godin Montreal Premiere line - several models

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    casino coupe is actually a good suggestion...its slightly smaller body and true hollow..no center block...so lighter..maybe a bit under budget for you tho! hah
    Like the epi casino coupe but more expensive you have the Gibby Es-390

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    The British jazz guitarist terry Smith said in an interview that he chose the 330 because he was a small guy and the 330 fit him perfectly.
    Not to steal the thread, but are there any other jazz guitars for small guys?

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    The OP mentioned PRS Hollowbody, but were too expensive. They just came out with a much less expensive MIK 'SE' model.

    Here's a video review of the new PRS SE Hollowbody II


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    That PRS SE is quite interesting... I'd like to hear a better demo (with better tones- something that would highlight whatever "woody" tones it has)

    Ignore all the "where it's made" stuff, just FFWD to the playing... the neck pickup sounds pretty good in this one, I'm interested....



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    I love my 335 but also find it too big for practicing and playing at home.

    Here's an unusual suggestion, but a guitar that has worked really well for me. These are made in Japan :

    Vox Virage
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    It's the same size as a 339 but solid woods like a 336 and a great medium neck. The body is actually curved to fit your body and it's just a great feeling guitar. Discontinued, but available used. The stock pickups are ok, but I changed to p-90s and it sounds great. Mine was $1000 on eBay and a nicer guitar than comparable Gibsons. Very lightweight. I like it better than the Collings Soco Deluxe I used to have.

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    Vox! Very cool!

    How about the one Prince played during his final years...Vox HDC-77 Blackburst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgcim
    The British jazz guitarist terry Smith said in an interview that he chose the 330 because he was a small guy and the 330 fit him perfectly.
    Not to steal the thread, but are there any other jazz guitars for small guys?
    Collings Eastside Jazz. 15" lower bout, thinline, fully hollow, sounds great.

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    I like my ES-390. They aren’t quite the highly inflated ES prices.

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    How about an Eastman t484? Seem to split the difference between a 339 and a 335

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    There is a choice of telecasters or G&L ASATs, both with contour backs that might be perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolvinny
    Collings Eastside Jazz. 15" lower bout, thinline, fully hollow, sounds great.
    Wow, that's a nice one. But then, EVERYTHING Collings is superb.

    If I had the means, I'd get the I-35LC myself- WITH the Throbaks: (it's a little smaller than a 335, but not as small as a 339)



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    The Gibson Pat Martino is close, but no cigar... Back carve, price $2500-$3500, weight a few ounces over 7 pounds.

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    Victor Baker 14 inch chambered semi hollow, much lighter in weight. I swapped out the neck pick up for a Jason Lollar Charlie Christian for HB route and now it’s the perfect jazz guitar. Absolutely spot on perfect in every way. It is everything I could want in a six string electric jazz guitar. From the size, comfort to the playability to the sound, absolutely perfect. So good I sold or got rid of most of my arch tops. I only kept two, one and a backup.

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    What can I say?

    I bought these used at very reasonable prices and have been enjoying them for a few years.

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    In your budget you will not beat a used collings. Personally, I'd go for something with lollar imperial low winds, but some people like the throbaks. If you like p90s get the collings i30lc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNAPPI
    The Gibson Pat Martino is close, but no cigar... Back carve, price $2500-$3500, weight a few ounces over 7 pounds.
    Interesting, that's definitely on target, a maple top version of the ES-446 (spruce), and more economical take on the Bennedeto Pat Martino; like the small 14" bout and not bad on weight.

    So many great ideas in this thread, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dconeill
    A couple of possibilities:
    Comins GCS-1 (maple-topped version)
    Godin Montreal Premiere line - several models
    Hey DC - one of the guitars you recommended here was the Godin Montreal. I bought a 2014 Special Edition P90's and wow what a nice guitar it is! I can't believe the quality fit and finish of this guitar for the money. Come on, is this guitar not as nicely constructed as a $5K Collings??? Impressed.

    Regarding my original intentions of finding a smaller, lighter, 335, I knew selecting this guitar I was somewhat departing from that objective for its: 1) solid wood body and top (wild cherry), 2) P90's. But as I haven't owned a guitar with either of those 2 characteristics I decided it would be fun to try. It sounds more "chimey", open, than my 335, a different but pleasing sound of its own. It came loaded with flats but I might throw some TI Bebops on it to see what that does.

    As for the smaller, lighter, factor, this Godin is right on the money. The smaller 14-3/4 bout and under 7lbs weight make it a super comfortable guitar to hang out with.

    My intention is to rotate through some guitars so not sure yet if I'll keep this long term but maybe. In any case this has been a winner experiment. Thanks for the reco! Would like to get my hands on the Comins GCS-1 also.


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    I'm going to check out a used CS-336 tonight. Small body, custom shop Gibby like a 339 BUT all solid woods. There are several on the SF Bay Craigslist right now under $2K used.

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    Seventy Seven Exrubato Hollow. It’s like a Gibson ES-330 with humbuckers, or a completely hollow ES-335. Weighs just 6 lbs. High quality, much less than $2,000 used. Check Reverb.com.

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    I can't answer the OP's question, but I can say I love all these guitars. I don't use them for jazz (although I could), but for everything else I play they have been fabulous. 335-size guitar in center for size reference only.


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    my seventy seven exrubato is 6.6lbs.


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    I just took delivery of a PRS McCarty 594 Hoilowbody II (2019). And it is a great guitar but it's different than a Gibson 335.
    I've never played the PRS McCarty 594 Simi Hollowbody but it may be closer to a Gibson 335.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker
    my seventy seven exrubato is 6.6lbs.
    Not fair Jack. Every git I've heard you play, even some that you sold (presumably because they did not meet your needs) sound excellent to my ears :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNAPPI
    Not fair Jack. Every git I've heard you play, even some that you sold (presumably because they did not meet your needs) sound excellent to my ears :-)
    Thanks. There's a lesson-learned to be had here which I keep forgetting. Every guitar I have pretty much sounds the same. Yes, there are subtle differences between my tele and my barney kessel but the 90/10 rule definitely applies. My wife says that I sound the same on my strat as I do on the archtop. Incidentally, though it's not hollow, the resonance on my pawar tele rivals that of a 335 and it's less than 6lbs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker
    Thanks. There's a lesson-learned to be had here which I keep forgetting. Every guitar I have pretty much sounds the same. Yes, there are subtle differences between my tele and my barney kessel but the 90/10 rule definitely applies. My wife says that I sound the same on my strat as I do on the archtop. Incidentally, though it's not hollow, the resonance on my pawar tele rivals that of a 335 and it's less than 6lbs.

    And part of that is you having an established style. I can tell your playing when I hear it, more than a lot of folks, probably.

    I still can't beleive that tele is under 6lbs and it balances. That's magic stuff right there. Better keep that one!

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    I really enjoyed the Godin Montreal Premier when I had mine. It was a shade under 7 lbs and sounded great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    And part of that is you having an established style. I can tell your playing when I hear it, more than a lot of folks, probably.

    I still can't beleive that tele is under 6lbs and it balances. That's magic stuff right there. Better keep that one!
    When you move the upper strap button a few inches forward it's a lot easier to get a guitar to balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
    When you move the upper strap button a few inches forward it's a lot easier to get a guitar to balance.
    OTOH, it's more uncomfortable playing in the upper register , especially sitting. But it's a good compromise. I wish more manufacturers understood that.

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    As an alternative, you can move the rear strap button which provides a different leverage for the strap. It is not necessary to have the strap button in the dead center of the end of the guitar.

    With my Strat and Teles, I move the strap button to be on one of the neck bolts. It balances better and the position of the guitar it is, for me, much more convenient for playing. The standard location for the strap button on Teles and Strats has always made my left arm feel like it's being compressed with the neck shoved up against me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cunamara
    As an alternative, you can move the rear strap button which provides a different leverage for the strap. It is not necessary to have the strap button in the dead center of the end of the guitar.

    With my Strat and Teles, I move the strap button to be on one of the neck bolts. It balances better and the position of the guitar it is, for me, much more convenient for playing. The standard location for the strap button on Teles and Strats has always made my left arm feel like it's being compressed with the neck shoved up against me.
    depending on how much the imbalance is , that doesn't always solve the problem. I had a strandberg headless guitar that was (amazingly) neck-heavy. Seems like quite an engineering marvel to make a neck heavy headless guitar, but I digress. I moved the strap button to the neck heel and it improved but still dove...