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    So, I grabbed one of the last ones on Amazon. Paid $169 shipped.

    I have to admit, the reviews were spot on. I've never been so impressed with a $169 guitar. It was playable right out of the box with the stock strings. I can't believe they are able to sell guitars this cheaply today.

    It has a decent acoustic tone and sounds great plugged in. It's nicely appointed. The tuners work. The wood grain shows through the finish. To be fair, it has a few finish blemishes, but I cannot complain given the cost of the instrument.

    I ordered some light gauge flats and a wooden bridge for it.

    I see that they are currently sold out on Amazon but if you can get your hands on one, I highly recommend it.

    I'm just keeping mine at the office to have something at work to jam on during lunch. I couldn't be happier. It's certainly no professional instrument, but it's exactly what I was looking for, especially considering the price.
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    Looks pretty cool to me. A non-cut single P-90 guitar is totally my bag.

    Life is good if your type of job allows for a guitar to be hanging around. I always have a guitar or 2 in my classroom, just in case I get a spare moment (or a student wants to jam at lunch) and I'd say we definitely live in the "golden age of inexpensive instruments."

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Looks pretty cool to me. A non-cut single P-90 guitar is totally my bag.

    Life is good if your type of job allows for a guitar to be hanging around. I always have a guitar or 2 in my classroom, just in case I get a spare moment (or a student wants to jam at lunch) and I'd say we definitely live in the "golden age of inexpensive instruments."
    Right on!! Really liked your Joyo American Sound vid btw.

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    Nice. How’s the P90? I would expect it to be hot.


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    Another benefit of this sort of guitar is that you aren't afraid to mess it up when you need to learn a new skill. I do my own set up's, replace pickups, cut new nuts, and level frets. Would like to learn to make bridges next since I can never find what I want on the market. Cool looking guitar. Enjoy, make music, and don't hesitate to tailor it to your needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille
    Nice. How’s the P90? I would expect it to be hot.


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    Yes, it certainly can be. But at lower volume levels it performs quite nicely.

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    Cool! I actually saw some postings on Facebook about these, but I couldn’t find a seller overhere (Europa). Only on Amazon USA but that’s not very lucrative with import taxes and transport and all.

    They look like Epiphone knock-offs or at least inspired. Maybe from the same factory even? But these have the 24.75” scale I believe (which I prefer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Cool! I actually saw some postings on Facebook about these, but I couldn’t find a seller overhere (Europa). Only on Amazon USA but that’s not very lucrative with import taxes and transport and all.

    They look like Epiphone knock-offs or at least inspired. Maybe from the same factory even? But these have the 24.75” scale I believe (which I prefer).
    They sell via eBay as well and direct IIRC

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille
    They sell via eBay as well and direct IIRC
    I don’t find anything when search for ‘grote guitars’.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    I don’t find anything when search for ‘grote guitars’.....
    https://ebay.com/usr/grote-guitar (had it saved )

    and Grote Guitar

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    I have been eyeballing these to go along with the new reissue Harmony tube amp I have on the way for a cheap living room guitar...another thing to go on the Christmas list!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfling
    I have been eyeballing these to go along with the new reissue Harmony tube amp I have on the way for a cheap living room guitar...another thing to go on the Christmas list!
    Please do a NAD post when you get the amp, I’m very curious.

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    Rather nice looking guitar. I dig the Retro/Deco vibe. Congratulations, and play it in good health!

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    Picked up the natural p90 Grote just yesterday. This is my favorite jazz guitar! It has a unique shape that gets the neck into a comfortable position. My playing and confidence went up a notch instantly. It’s thin like a 335, and not bulky like a regular jazz box. What is the wood? Balsa? This critter is feather weight! My Strat weighs more.

    I’ve been playing for decades, but I’ve always been uncomfortable with every guitar I’ve tried. This is the first body that works for me, and not against me.

    Same comments regarding quality. Very surprising. Frets were very well dressed. Intonation is a chore, as you have to fiddle with the floating bridge until it settles in. Tuners could be better, but they are fine for now. Otherwise, I’m overlooking any blemishes. I removed the pickguard, so the f-holes have more projection.

    I don’t know if the tone is good or bad. When you play with confidence because you’re comfortable with the guitar, it’s surprising how much it changes your perception of the sound. It could sound like a shoe-box with strings for all I know. But it sounds like a vintage 50’s jazz tone, kinda like Barney Kessel. I’ll eventually put flatwounds on it. It has 10-48.

    Only problem is now all of my other jazz boxes look pale in comparison. I’ve tried almost every guitar on the market. Never expected a cheap clone to save the day.
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    Now I am getting excited!
    I have one of these Grotes (in natural) arriving this afternoon to check out

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    I'm holding out for a Groot guitar.

    John

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    Grote "Jazz Guitar" - P90 thinline-499b87aa-8025-4ff7-ad24-271cc8717711-jpg

    I got this Grote in December. I was mainly curious as to what you can get for $260. Surprisingly light weight. Tuners aren’t very good (you have to crank them a bit before the pitch changes). Seems to stay in tune for the most part once you going with it. After doing a basic set up myself the action is good, frets or ok (no sharp edges but aren’t very rounded) and intonation is close enough. Pickups are decent. They are fully adjustable and I am able to get a pretty balance sound across all strings.

    I had an Eastman 335 type for a while but I think this is more practical for a beater guitar.
    Would love to hear more from any other Grote owners.

    BTW; There is an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where the topic is “Grote” Syndrome

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    I saw a vid about this guitar a few weeks ago on YouTube on 60 Cycle Hum's channel. He thought it was a neat guitar, especially when you consider its price.






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    Can anyone tell me how the top is supported on the P90 Thinline? Parallel braces perhaps? A block under the bridge?

    If anyone can take a cell phone pic thru the f-hole that would be great.....

    Thanks in advance!

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    pretty sure the guy in the 60 cycle hum vids (that ellen posted ^) said it has a small block under bridge!..dont know abt the bracing


    cool cheapo...tho if you read more reviews, the quality control is all over the place on them...gotta hope for a decent one!!..

    i see they are presently available in natural and sunburst..red is apparently gone

    cheers

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    Grote through a Monoprice video needs to happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    Grote through a Monoprice video needs to happen
    thru an azor fuzz!


    (the cheapest fuzz on amazon!!)

    cheers

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    I found one these Grote ES125T knock offs locally yesterday. Natural finish, not red. Sold as used for less than an evening out at a restaurant. (remember when we used to do that?)

    Astounding value, IMO. Even at the full price of $199. Fretwork is very good, intonation is good, solid feel all around. I put Chrome 11s on today and it sounds just like you'd expect a laminate, P90 guitar to sound. Good neck profile, not unbearably thin like some cheap imports I've tried... though everything feels small now that I'm calibrated to the Nocaster.

    Tuners work fine. I'll likely replace the TOM with a wooden saddle, but really it's completely serviceable now.

    Aside: all social distancing guidelines were observed when making this purchase.
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    A nice thing I like the red ,
    red guitars are cool ...
    Shame they don't make a 125 non T one ....
    (You could buy one and put a CC on it)

    still very nice as is ....
    i you're into that whole t thing

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    I am very curious about how these look inside..... if it’s not too much trouble, could any owner put a cellphone inside thru the f-hold and try making some pics? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    I am very curious about how these look inside..... if it’s not too much trouble, could any owner put a cellphone inside thru the f-hold and try making some pics? Thanks!
    Over at the Squier forum somebody some time ago posted a very nice photograph of the inside. I won't post a picture from another site. However the picture does show what appears to me to be a very clean build and it shows that it has, as somebody else said, just a single wood block support under the bridge or center section, so no bracing as I would call it.

    In regards to this guitar, I think somebody said he or she replaced the bridge with a wooden one. Could somebody post a link or name the bridge, please?

    Also could somebody measure the guitar for me? My main playing area is very small and I usually play a smaller-bodied guitar. I have some full-size hollow bodied guitars that cost more than this but I am always afraid of using them as I may damage it by banging into an amp or other obstacle.

    Thanks.

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    Found the picture you mentioned, I don’t think it’s against any rules to post it here as well:



    The block under the bridge looks exactly like that in my Chinese ES-330 kit, but I am surprised to see the Grote is even constructed with kerfed liners to glue the top and bottom to the sides! Usually the low budget MIC guitars leave those out. That makes this guitar all the more interesting........!

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    On AliExpress you can buy rosewood archtop bridges for as little as $5 and they work just fine. I bought several of those. Nothing wrong with it!


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    Little Jay,

    Well I think it may be my rule as I've read that generally these are proprietary items and you shouldn't repost them without the consent of the original poster and/or the administrators of the forum in which the pictures or articles first appeared.

    And it could be argued that the Squier forum is a competing forum to this one. Members there have jazz guitars and they play jazz ... just as I'm certain there are people here who play non-jazz guitars and non-jazz songs.

    In the same respect I would not just cut and paste articles and photos first published here in this forum and then provide them to other forums ... unless, as I said, I received some form of tacit approval.

    But I'm glad you found the picture I was referring to.

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    How the heck do you produce a guitar for $169, and make a profit?

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    One other thing: Quite a few of the reviews I've read or seen complain that the P90 pickup is really too far down into the body. I know that the "sweet spot" for P90s in general is much, much closer to the strings. However I do know in general the "jazz" settings for pickups are lower than the standard for rock, pop and related music.

    For you owners, have you found that you have had to insert some form of spacer to raise the pickup or if it is OK as it is? I've been looking at some spacer devices such as Fralin P90 pickup shims or similar products at MojoTone as I think they would be better than puttiing in some kind of sponge material or a felt washer.

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    Ralph, I don't own one so no on-hand experience, but the guy in this video did put a spacer/shim under the P90:



    (too bad he doesn't seem to do any jazz playing, so the video does not really show if the shim helps with the sound.

    But with a package of different sized spacers (Lolar and Fralin sell them online) it's easy enough to experiment, no need to desolder anything, perhaps slacking the strings is not even necesary. I do find the distance to the strings pretty critical for the tone with P90 pickups and rising or lowering the whole pickup is very different from adjusting only the pole pieces (I use those only to balance the string volumes, usually lowering the B-string pole piece if you use flatwounds with a wound 3rd).

    Now I need another guitar like a need a hole in my tooth, but this thing really gives me G.A.S...... the prospect of fine tuning and modding it to make it sound even better is soooo tempting :-D
    (and before you know you'll spend more on mods than you did spend on the guitar, hahaha)

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    Btw, what wood is the neck made out of? Mahogany?

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    Some measurements and a quick, non-EQd demo of what the guitar sounds like in my hands. I've used it on a couple of covid-era recording collaborations to accompany a singer and the end result was just fine. I bought the guitar used for something like $150 and have no complaints. Fretwork is fine, it plays easily, etc. etc. You're hearing the sound of 6 month old Chrome 12s, I think,

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    Oh wow, it looks great in natural as well!