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    HI Guys,
    Since I didnt sell it, its kinda like a new guitar to me now.
    So here are a couple of Videos of the 165. No Amp. Straight through a Boss GT-001. Into my laptops' USB. Using YouCam6 for video and Audio capture.
    I hope you like..
    Joe D






    BTW.. The arrangement on Hark.. Is from my friend, the great Chris Whiteman. The arrangement on Close to You is by Tommy Emmanuel. I wish he was my friend too.. But I am glad I got Chris..

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    nice Joe D...it's amazing what a change in perspective can do!!...a fresh point of view...

    tho, as i've writ before, you could make a 100 buck squier sound good!

    enjoy your "new" friend...

    (some solid low notes..thoms!)

    cheers

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    I didn't listen to Hark, maybe after Thanksgiving
    But we've been playing Close in our organ trio lately using this arrangement by the great yet sadly underrated Leon Spencer

    If you like B3 organ check him out, I'm pretty sure Neatomic is hip.
    Nice job Joe!


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    its a bacharach/hal david tune..imho they could do no wrong!!!

    hal david was genius of simplistic yet heavy verse...and bacharach king of melody...even at his sweetest..its tasty

    cheers

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    Beautiful Joe, as always


    Big

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    Very nice JD! Once again you prove that only a Gibson is good enough.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    I didn't listen to Hark, maybe after Thanksgiving
    But we've been playing Close in our organ trio lately using this arrangement by the great yet sadly underrated Leon Spencer

    If you like B3 organ check him out, I'm pretty sure Neatomic is hip.
    Nice job Joe!

    Absolutely fabulous Wintermoon, I love the B3, the guitarist ,not so dusty either!!
    a great start to the day , as well as Joe's two contributions which were a knockout
    Congratulations to you both.

    Best , Silverfoxx

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    Cool videos Max,

    where did you get the Ebony bridge? i want to replace my gold Tom with wood Rosewood or Ebony.

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    Just gorgeous. Thanks, Joe!

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    My kind of Christmas song ! No Santa nonsense. Thanks bro. Real Christmas music is my absolute favorite. Nice tribute to Karen too. What a voice she had. That 165 sounds sweet.

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    I always enjoy Christmas songs and you did a very good take on that one Joe. We have had 2 snowstorms already this year and we are looking at some fresh snow today. So for me, it seems like a perfect time to listen to a Christmas song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    nice Joe D...it's amazing what a change in perspective can do!!...a fresh point of view... tho, as i've writ before, you could make a 100 buck squier sound good!
    enjoy your "new" friend...(some solid low notes..thoms!)
    cheers
    Neatomic, Thank you sir. The guitar is more than capable. It’s the most balanced sounding guitar I’ve had. The clarity on the lows is extraordinary. It’s made handle it. It’s a beautiful acoustic guitar and the BJB turns it into a bonifide 175.
    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    I didn't listen to Hark, maybe after Thanksgiving
    But we've been playing Close in our organ trio lately using this arrangement by the great yet sadly underrated Leon Spencer
    If you like B3 organ check him out, I'm pretty sure Neatomic is hip.
    Nice job Joe!
    Thanks WM.
    Quote Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
    Beautiful Joe, as always
    Big
    Mikey, thanks buddy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    Very nice JD! Once again you prove that only a Gibson is good enough.....
    SS, Yep. I admit it. Totally.
    Quote Originally Posted by silverfoxx
    a great start to the day , as well as Joe's two contributions which were a knockout
    Congratulations to you both.
    Best , Silverfoxx
    Thanks 007.
    Quote Originally Posted by Durban
    Cool videos Max,
    where did you get the Ebony bridge? i want to replace my gold Tom with wood Rosewood or Ebony.
    Thanks Durban. The bridges came with the guitar. I like the TM better though. But right now, it’s on another guitar.
    I’m one of those people who can’t really tell the difference. I like the intonation of the TM, and the high E string slot on the rosewood bridge is cut ever so slightly too deep and it deadens the string a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenk74
    Just gorgeous. Thanks, Joe!
    C74, thank you sir. It’s my pleasure. Completely.
    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    My kind of Christmas song ! No Santa nonsense. Thanks bro. Real Christmas music is my absolute favorite. Nice tribute to Karen too. What a voice she had. That 165 sounds sweet.
    I did that for you bro. I love Christmas. I don’t have this feeling at any other time Of the year. A lot people feel the same way, and there is a reason for it.
    Karen had had one of the greatest voices of all time. They needed a lead female vocalist who could play the drums in heaven and that’s why we haven’t heard anything new from her in years..
    the 165 sounds good right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Cushman
    I always enjoy Christmas songs and you did a very good take on that one Joe. We have had 2 snowstorms already this year and we are looking at some fresh snow today. So for me, it seems like a perfect time to listen to a Christmas song.
    Matt, thank you. 3 snows already? Yuk. Stay warm and stay safe bro. And set a nice little slice of ebony aside for me sir. Maybe 2..

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    Man, I've never been able to stand "Close To You." But Joe, you re-claimed that tune for me with this performance! Your arrangement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cunamara
    Man, I've never been able to stand "Close To You." But Joe, you re-claimed that tune for me with this performance! Your arrangement?
    C, Thanks, I appreciate . It’s Tommy Emmanuels arrangement. But don’t listen to his version. Because you will quickly realize how mediocre my playing really is!
    Thanks, Joe D

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    Joe,

    For one, I'd love the music for the Hark arrangement. Who/what/cost? ;-)

    Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max405
    C, Thanks, I appreciate . It’s Tommy Emmanuels arrangement. But don’t listen to his version. Because you will quickly realize how mediocre my playing really is!Thanks, Joe D
    Few if any would look mediocre to Tommys playing, right? I would say you do more than just justice to the tune.

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    Joe I always like your contributions to the forum. Your playing inspires me to "go and do likewise."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMgolf66
    Few if any would look mediocre to Tommys playing, right? I would say you do more than just justice to the tune.
    Thank you DMG. I love the song. At some point I want to do another Carpenters song. But I have to stop learning new (old) songs. They just push stuff I already know out the back of my head..
    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    Joe I always like your contributions to the forum. Your playing inspires me to "go and do likewise."
    Thank you Lawson. I came to the realization that I cant do what you do. You have a feel and therefore, a desire to learn Jazz and Bop soloing. I can probably do it, but my heart is not in it, so it doesn't stick. If I was on a band, I'd have to learn what You, Fred Archtop, DB's Guitar Blog and many others do so well. Until then, I'll box myself into what I like and hope that other people find it be OK. Thanks for always being a gentleman.
    JD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max405
    Thank you DMG. I love the song. At some point I want to do another Carpenters song. But I have to stop learning new (old) songs. They just push stuff I already know out the back of my head..

    Thank you Lawson. I came to the realization that I cant do what you do. You have a feel and therefore, a desire to learn Jazz and Bop soloing. I can probably do it, but my heart is not in it, so it doesn't stick. If I was on a band, I'd have to learn what You, Fred Archtop, DB's Guitar Blog and many others do so well. Until then, I'll box myself into what I like and hope that other people find it be OK. Thanks for always being a gentleman.
    JD
    Hey "what I do" is pretty modest. I suck so bad at improvisational line playing, I have embarked on a quest at least to learn some good lines but I still find it hard to improvise and use that stuff. Your doing the Johnny Smith and Joe Pass solos really captures my heart. I want to learn one of those myself, and even picked it out--"Here's That Rainy Day" from Virtuoso. But I just get intimidated looking at the first line!

    You are a keeper of the flame, sir, and I will keep lighting my candle at your flame.

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    Please Believe me, I am not refreshing this thread with a meaningless "to the top" post.. I just wanted to say something.
    Once again, I am really glad I didnt sell this guitar. I have been playing the 165 acoustically more and more lately. I think, it has the sweetest acoustic sound that I can ever ask for. Electrically, with the BJB, the guitar is no slouch. But acoustically its an outstanding guitar. It combines the playing smoothness of the 175 design with a floating pickup. The Floater takes advantage of the underestimated acoustic properties of the 3-1/2" body depth of the 165/175. The pickguard is fastened in the normal way to the rim and with a screw into the top by the cutaway. But Gibson also screwed it into the top with one screw, close to where the bridge meets the body. The result is an incredibly solid feeling guitar that becomes a beautiful acoustic version of the iconic 175.
    I love this guitar.
    Anyone looking at a floater 165, should not discount its value as an incredibly versatile guitar. And its damn pretty too..
    JD

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    Joe, I know that you pine for a L5. It's a great guitar no doubt. My first jazz guitar was a 175. I parted with it years ago. I was seduced by carve tops and at my level of play found them to be superior to me making music. I have alway had an L5 since then, either a Ces or a Wes but always had an L5. On a lark I bought a 175vos from the CME sale. I'm not dissing the l5 it's a great sounding and playing instrument really top notch but if I'm being honest I prefer to play my cheap little 175. I'm not saying the 175 sounds better,(it's no slouch acoustically or electrically) but it's such a relaxing guitar to play between the scale length and size. I can play it for longer periods of time. In the end inspiration comes from several things. I am spoiled in the guitar department no doubt about it. If at this point I could only own 1 guitar I think I'd pick the 175. Go figure....

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiboyny
    Joe, I know that you pine for a L5. It's a great guitar no doubt. My first jazz guitar was a 175. I parted with it years ago. I was seduced by carve tops and at my level of play found them to be superior to me making music. I have alway had an L5 since then, either a Ces or a Wes but always had an L5. On a lark I bought a 175vos from the CME sale. I'm not dissing the l5 it's a great sounding and playing instrument really top notch but if I'm being honest I prefer to play my cheap little 175. I'm not saying the 175 sounds better,(it's no slouch acoustically or electrically) but it's such a relaxing guitar to play between the scale length and size. I can play it for longer periods of time. In the end inspiration comes from several things. I am spoiled in the guitar department no doubt about it. If at this point I could only own 1 guitar I think I'd pick the 175. Go figure....
    SB, A nice L5 is in my immediate future. This time I will appreciate it, unlike the first 2 I had.
    But you are so right. A 175 type guitar, particularly a good acoustic one like this is almost a necessity for what we play.
    Thanks everyone.
    Joe D

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    Oops I did it again. After kicking myself when Joe offered his 165 BJB for a killer price and not jumping on it, I finally found one for only $1850 and bought it. Should be here this week and from the pics it looks like a mint condition example. I do have the opportunity to back out if I don’t like it which is a good thing. Unfortunately it isn’t the gorgeous ice tea burst - just the standard dark burst, but I am OK with that. I do have a ‘91 490 set HB HE which I love to death. It will be interesting to compare the neck on the one that I just purchased. Supposedly it is a 2005. Time to move out another guitar to make room for this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lammie200
    Oops I did it again. After kicking myself when Joe offered his 165 BJB for a killer price and not jumping on it, I finally found one for only $1850 and bought it. Should be here this week and from the pics it looks like a mint condition example. I do have the opportunity to back out if I don’t like it which is a good thing. Unfortunately it isn’t the gorgeous ice tea burst - just the standard dark burst, but I am OK with that. I do have a ‘91 490 set HB HE which I love to death. It will be interesting to compare the neck on the one that I just purchased. Supposedly it is a 2005. Time to move out another guitar to make room for this one.
    It seems like you got this one for even more of a killer price.
    I think they are wonderful guitars. I hope you love it. Congratulations!

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    Thanks. Barring anything unusual I think that I am good. Whoever had it didn't even install a strap button on the neck/heel. I take that as a good sign.

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    Here it is among my electric family. Pretty much excellent condition except for plating wear on the tailpiece. I am totally good with that and I actually like a little less of the bling aesthetic. Not much scratching on the pickguard and I don't use a pick, so none of my guitars get much of that anyway. With tax and shipping all the Gibsons were around $2k each. The HE BJB plays really well. It's fairly light, the neck shape is really comfortable, the pickup is clear and balanced. As Joe says you almost can't say enough good things about these. The fact that Norm's Rare Guitars wants $3.7k+ for these was not lost on me.

    Previous to the last 10 years or so it was just a Strat partscaster, a Martin acoustic and a classical guitar, but I also always had one or two others that were temporary impulses. I have since dabbled in lower budget archtops and assembled and finished the partscasters that you see here. My first electric was a Tele and the Fender designs feel like a home to me both with playability and aesthetics. In the previous 30 some odd years before that I had a couple of Gibsons - a beat up J-45 and CC-175. The J-45 was a canon and I regret trading that for something else. I never connected with the CC-175. Kinda heavy and unbalanced as I recall. Very hum happy, too. I am pretty sure I have reached everywhere I want to go with a guitar collection now because these all play and sound well for me. Gibson gets bashed, but when they do one right it's just right without question. I loved the journey of getting what I have, but I love playing, too. Really happy with what I have.
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    hey congrats lammie...nice bunch of guitars...like seeing those jazzmasters in there too!!

    enjoy

    cheers

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    Thanks. I will probably change the bridge to rosewood like I did on the 490R. I also might copy Joe and change the knob. The press-on knob that is there sticks up pretty high is kinda cheesy looking IMHO. I haven't decided if I want to change the tuners. I changed the ones on the 490R to locking Grovers with pearloid buttons. Direct fit. Kinda the 175 aesthetic and a bit lighter than the metal tulips.

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    Try this Lammie..
    This one is my baby now. That knob and the smaller one got to me. Now the 165 is perfect. Just the way it should have been when it left the factory. But then again, we are talkin about a Gibson here. There’s always something.. the knob on the 165 floater, the awful pickguard on the Solid Formed, the reverb sounds inside the body of the Tal... But when you tie up those loose ends, it’s very gratifying..
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    Quote Originally Posted by lammie200
    Here it is among my electric family.

    Makes me kinda regret selling my ES-390. It was light weight, comfortable and good ... But at that point in time I wanted a more full sound that the mini-humbuckers couldn't deliver ... so it was replaced with an Ibanez PM100 ... should have kept both .. oh well

    Great collection you've got there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max405
    Try this Lammie..
    This one is my baby now. That knob and the smaller one got to me. Now the 165 is perfect. Just the way it should have been when it left the factory. But then again, we are talkin about a Gibson here. There’s always something.. the knob on the 165 floater, the awful pickguard on the Solid Formed, the reverb sounds inside the body of the Tal... But when you tie up those loose ends, it’s very gratifying..
    Really nice. I will be thinking about it. You are right. There are loose ends. That knob is certainly one of them. It is also totally evident that the tailpieces are import budget products. I am OK with them though. On this one it was probably why the guitar was valued so low. Gibson Memphis gator skin TKL hard case was included. New condition except for the tarnish. My pocketbook likes tarnish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    Makes me kinda regret selling my ES-390. It was light weight, comfortable and good ... But at that point in time I wanted a more full sound that the mini-humbuckers couldn't deliver ... so it was replaced with an Ibanez PM100 ... should have kept both .. oh well

    Great collection you've got there!
    I have really gotten into fine adjustments to the heights and pole pieces. Seems to help, but I don’t dig the bridge pickup much at all. I have contemplated changing the pickups for someone else’s mini hb’s, but with the adjustments I can deal with the neck pickup.

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    "when they do one right, it's just right..."

    Amen, Brother!

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    l-what don't you like about the gibby mini hums???..too much upper mids??

    if so, there are workarounds

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenk74
    "when they do one right, it's just right..."

    Amen, Brother!
    Yes indeed.....the key word is ( when )

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    l-what don't you like about the gibby mini hums???..too much upper mids??

    if so, there are workarounds

    cheers
    I am not sure I could do any better with the neck pickup. Word usage aside, I think the bridge pickup lacks depth. There is no blending of tones between the strings if that makes any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max405
    HI Guys,
    Since I didnt sell it, its kinda like a new guitar to me now.
    So here are a couple of Videos of the 165. No Amp. Straight through a Boss GT-001. Into my laptops' USB. Using YouCam6 for video and Audio capture.
    I hope you like..
    Joe D








    BTW.. The arrangement on Hark.. Is from my friend, the great Chris Whiteman. The arrangement on Close to You is by Tommy Emmanuel. I wish he was my friend too.. But I am glad I got Chris..
    Great playing, Joe! That's the most beautiful ES165 I've ever seen. Sounds superb too. Man, I like that guitar. I'll be taking delivery today of an Eastman AR580CE. I hope it looks and sounds even half as good as your ES165. I want to own another American made jazz archtop someday. I owned a Gibson L5CES several years ago. Would like to have another one.

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    Thank you jumpinblues!
    I love my 165. I plan on keeping this one mint for another 30 years.
    I recently changed the pickguard with a schatten volume/tone set on the underside edge so no more annoying volume knob in the middle of the pickguard. That was the only knock against the guitar. Now I have adjustability in the tone, that’s great.
    I had a 580 for a little while. It’s a really nice guitar. You will like it. Very light and lively. Congratulations on your new guitar. Please do a NGD. We love them here!
    Joe D

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    Joe, what is the cloth underneath the guitar for?

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    Just to lift it up a little.
    I have a oasis cushion that I use too. But the red microfiber was handy at the time.
    JD

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    Joe,

    The L5P that I bought from Vinny has a BJB pickup. I like it. Your 165 is one of the nicest I've seen. Sure does sound good, especially in your very capable hands. I've always thought that the 165 is more practical, sense I never use the bridge p/u on my 175's. At least not for the last 40 yrs.

    Cheers brother!

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    Oh man.. I thought you were asking to trade.. I would have been all over that like white in rice! (Just kidding, thanks bro!)
    I am totally with you on the practicality thing. Like Joe Pass said, “to much iron”
    If you are interested, the Schatten volume tone works well with the BJB. It works better on the BJB than it does on the “J.Smith” pickup on my Solid Formed. It drops the treble without reducing the volume on the BJB.
    JD