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    Check out Tim on this Manzer. Nice pics of the guitar at the end. Tim's playing is haunting, as usual, but listen to the Manzer through a Princeton Reverb...but beautiful.
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    For the asking price, not really impressed... Sorry!
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    How much do they want?
    specializing in repair and setup, does your guitar play like it should?

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    Her guitars are usually in the +$16K USD range, I believe.

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    Personally, I like his Teles better - especially for the $$$ involved. He plays great on anything but that guitar just doesn't do anything for me......sorry.

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    I'll bet that is a really nice guitar in hand! Sounds very fine and even in response. A very classy tone, and a very classy player!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcwhy View Post
    Her guitars are usually in the +$16K USD range, I believe.
    No...about double that...
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    Why can’t simply celebrate a wonderful player getting an a new instrument that inspires him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iim7V7IM7 View Post
    No...about double that...
    Well, double that is in the still in the +$16K range

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    Too expensive and not a good buy unless money is not an object. Makes great guitars just not worth that to me and many others.
    specializing in repair and setup, does your guitar play like it should?

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    At least I understand how Linda Manzer can command premium prices for her guitars. With the clientel notoriety she has,as well as the limited supply available.

    But a luthier who charges that kind of money either for a bolt on guitar or even an archtop, I have an issue with. Especially if they don't have a backlog of orders nor clientele credentials.

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    Well whatever the price, it seems to be a sweet match with Tim Lerch's priceless hands.

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    Many factors at play with the price. It's made in Canada for one. Ever done business there? I have. Many things are more expensive. Somebody has to pay for all those social programs.

    That said,
    Comparing a master built, hand-carved, acoustic archtop, with a machine made, bolt on neck, cheap labor, pinewood derby Fender, is an apples to oranges comparison, to put it kindly.

    One might as well compare a Guitar Center electronic keyboard "special", with a Steinway Grand, or perhaps a Ford Fiesta with a Bugatti La Voiture Noire.
    Last edited by Jazzstdnt; 09-28-2019 at 10:54 AM.

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    Side question, is the amp a reissue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vashondan View Post
    Side question, is the amp a reissue?
    I believe that it is...
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    If I had bought that guitar and amp as a kid and played only them for my life, I would have saved a bucket of money. That's the economics of it from my perspective.

    But the chances are about 100% that I'd be unfaithful and on the prowl for another instrument and amp for no defensible reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deacon Mark View Post
    Too expensive and not a good buy unless money is not an object. Makes great guitars just not worth that to me and many others.
    Is ANY guitar over, say $3000, a "good buy"?

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    I got my Jim Hall Sadowsky for $3,400.00 Seemed like a good deal to me...

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    Tim is a fine player and I wish him the best with his Manzer Guitar - thanks for posting Greentone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QAman View Post
    Tim is a fine player and I wish him the best with his Manzer Guitar - thanks for posting Greentone.

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    +100! And a cool guy, too -- I met him at NAMM a few years back!

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    I was responding to "Too expensive and not a good buy unless money is not an object" in which a "good buy" seemed to be equated with not spending too much on an instrument, not a "good deal" (which would mean that buying a $30K guitar for $20K would be a good buy. )

    At some point (I used $3K), there is rapidly diminishing return vis a vis sound and feel and you are buying a name, you are buying special woods, you are buying craftsmanship, you are (possibly) buying an investment piece.

    But this is beating a dead horse and I was probably just being pedantic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zdub View Post

    At some point (I used $3K), there is rapidly diminishing return vis a vis sound and feel and you are buying a name, you are buying special woods, you are buying craftsmanship, you are (possibly) buying an investment piece.

    Yes that's true with a lot of crafted and manufactured things. For fine archtops that "have it all" (world class playability and sound - but also build quality, materials, prospects for long life) I would put it at about $21K.

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    Well aside from vintage Fenders commanding o er $10K prices.There are a couple of bespoke luthier like Stefan D'Pergo which asking prices for new are as $17k
    And again this a bolt on guitar, with alder,swamp ash,maple, etc. OUCH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    At least I understand how Linda Manzer can command premium prices for her guitars. With the clientel notoriety she has,as well as the limited supply available.

    But a luthier who charges that kind of money either for a bolt on guitar or even an archtop, I have an issue with. Especially if they don't have a backlog of orders nor clientele credentials.
    I once asked her about building me a guitar. She had a waiting list to get on her waiting list. Seriously.
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    And I think the guitar sounds fantastic. I've known Tim for years and I think that's one of the best sounds I've ever heard form him.
    My CD "Bare Handed" is available as a download at Bandcamp.com
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    well, we all have a different notion what a "good" , "great" "beautiful" sound is so let's leave that discussion behind please. Maybe Tim won the lottery, inherited a bunch from a distant aunt, who knows and why care !? When he decides to invest X amount in a guitar then who are we to criticize his actions ? He is a pro musician who works in a field where one does NOT usually earn buckets full of money , either by selling CD's (that's over anyway) or playing gigs and one can only teach so many students per week so I have a rough idea what a guy like him has to his disposal after paying for the usual stuff like all of us. He certainly thought long and hard about this purchase.
    Now, do we like the tone he gets in that clip ? I personally like his Tele stuff better - the Ted Greene-like sustaining chord solos - and the tones of his other hollowbodies - single line Swing/Bop - is excellent also. This sounds different and IMHO does not compliment his best playing - when Julian Lage plays his Manzer (same model it seems) which he's had for at least 15 years then I find that it fits better with the type of music he plays.

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    I thought it sounded very nice, very acoustic.

    It doesn't sound like a 17 or 18 inch though. Really only one way to get that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Soloway View Post
    And I think the guitar sounds fantastic. I've known Tim for years and I think that's one of the best sounds I've ever heard form him.
    Totally agree with Jim. I thought the guitar sounds indeed fantastic... as does Tim- as usual.
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    Tim Lerch plays the Manzer Honey like he has got some deep soulful connection with it. If the guitar were a woman he would be caressing a lover, a soulmate. I don't know Tim but I have followed his videos. That expression when he plays the Honey is on another plane.

    Great sounding, too.

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    I am curious what strings are on the guitar - there is a particular aspect of the tone that seems string related - any ideas?

    Will

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillMbCdn5 View Post
    I am curious what strings are on the guitar - there is a particular aspect of the tone that seems string related - any ideas?

    Will
    I believe Linda put on D’Addario .012”-.052” nickel wound electrics at the show.
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    Hey guys, I just stumbled upon this thread, thanks to all who commented. (even the snarky ones) the above video is "Honey" recorded with just a mic on the amp (no acoustic sound in the mix)
    This video has a 50/50 blend of the acoustic sound along with the amp. The strings are D'Addario 12-52 roundwound EJ21



    I hope you enjoy hearing this beautiful guitar.

    all the best
    Tim

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    Just gorgeous Tim. I love that I could hear you breath in this one. The whole recording just has a wonderful authenticity to it. Very human in the best possible way. Congratulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLerch View Post
    I hope you enjoy hearing this beautiful guitar.

    all the best
    Tim
    I sure do. So musical!

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    So, wonderful, Tim. It sounds so good in your hands.
    Best regards,
    Matt

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    Timmy that is really nice and great sound with only sound. Not any thing but beautiful playing nice touch! A great player and a great guitar go a long way.
    specializing in repair and setup, does your guitar play like it should?

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    Is that a laminated or carved guitar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone View Post
    Is that a laminated or carved guitar?
    carved...
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    Tim, how much did the Manzer set you back, if you don't mind me asking?

    Inquiring minds would like to know.
    Pepe aka Lt. Kojak
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    Congratulations, it’s a thing of beauty to my eyes and ears


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