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Originally Posted by jzucker
John
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08-06-2019 03:09 PM
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That "Talk to your daughter..." sound really inspired me to build amps. I have not heard the track in a while. Interesting to compare it to a recent copycat amp I build with a sound maybe a little more refined. This one uses a circuit similar to what one might get if one ordered a new amp. Supposedly he is still making them.
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While echo and reverb are always nice to have as well as some studio compression. I have grown a bit tired of that overused saturated sound. It really would be great to hear less production on lead overdrive sounds,imo.
As said earlier by Jack Z, every copied Robben Ford's tone so it's become overdone. And it always seems to be used in a Smoothe Jazz type of track as well.
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Originally Posted by jads57
for example, here he is a few years ago, classic talk to your daughter tone...
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Sorry if this is getting too far afield of the original topic, but this whole discussion of the TTYD tone is interesting to me as a longtime Robben admirer. I really kinda hate the TTYD tone as it sounds on the TTYD disc. I prefer his tone on the first Yellowjackets disc vastly, but tone is a subjective thing. We don't have to like the same thing ... or argue about it ;-)
This page says that he used a Yamaha G100 on the first Yellowjackets disc. I did see him live in a small venue around that time and the G100 did sound like that. I'm sure he had good reasons for switching to (I believe) Mesa Boogie and then eventually Dumble.
I really like the Mesa MKIIC+ simul-class tone, as used by Carlton on many recordings and live gigs, though it is pretty much impossible to get both the saturated overdrive and a nice warm clean tone from that amp; the clean tone is a bit upper-middy, and if you dial in enough drive to saturate the lead channel, it's nearly impossible to clean up the clean tone to avoid dirt on sharp pick attacks. OTOH, if you turn the gain down enough to have a really nice clean tone (you have to live with the midrange spike still) you can't really get the "Strikes Twice" saturation and THD from the lead tone.
This limitation, along with the demise of GE/Sylvania's US based tube manufacturing operation, drove many subsequent iterations of Boogie design. Wondering whether the newest of the new Boogies have resolved those limitations. They certainly have enough switchable channels for it! And tho I haven't heard him live with his current Mesa rig, youtube vids seem to indicate that Rit gets a nice jazz tone playing his L5 through it.
I think that total saturation with clean scream is what people really look for out of Dumble OD Special, but I've never had the deca-dollars laying around to invest(igate) seriously
SJLast edited by starjasmine; 08-07-2019 at 09:18 PM.
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Weird - this (great) old thread on jazzguitar.be just came back to life today! And on pg 2 there's this great vid of a very young Robben Ford tearin' it up on a G100-112 series II:
Originally Posted by wildschwein
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Originally Posted by mad dog
I have the Sarno "Earth Drive" for some of that vibe!
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Originally Posted by starjasmine
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So the ’od’ in Dumble OD Special means ’overdone’!
(This was meant to be humour.)
I don’t want to steal the thread but I dig my Blue Note and its Hot switch so much that when I installed the pedal in my rocking pedalboard I wired a footswitch that engages the Hot switch (in the picture: in the upper right corner of the red switch box).
Now I have a under my feet mild distortion (JHS MG), distortion (BN), more distortion (BN Hot), even more distortion (JHS MG + BN) and most more distortion (JHS MG + BN Hot)!
Timmy in the left is only for volume boost, no distrortion from it.
Yes, I know, if I could play with the volume knob of my guitar everything would be easier!
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i have the smaller blue note without the hot switch. Don't miss it.
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Originally Posted by jzucker
I had for long a H&K Tube Factor which is a great low distortion pedal too, but it’s boost has absolutely too much boost and You can’t adjust it neither. The solos sound always like Carlos Santana (except for playing I mean).
My amp tech made a knob for its volume level but still the sound was this and that. Blue Note is better!
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Originally Posted by McJazzer
And Your playing is nice to listen too.
Amazing sound from Your archtop with this Dude. Hmm... (The sound of a rising GAS...)
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Originally Posted by jzucker
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Originally Posted by jasonmi3
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Yep, that is the "Tour Series" Blue Note. The Blue Notes are great pedals. The hot switch seems to be a "love it" or "meh!" thing.
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Well , I hate you guys. After reading this thread, I ended up being compelled to ordering "the dude" pedal. I use my blue note for just a teeny bit of edge but I miss having a little more gain on tap for fusiony things. The problem is that I'm using a nano board and can't fit any more pedals on it.
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That's why we Love You Jack Z. You are our Guinea Pig/ Lead Tester ,LOL!
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Ha! Sorry Jack.
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just wanted to mention that I got my dude pedal and at least temporarily it has replaced the blue note on my small board. Used it on the gig last night and it sounds amazing. Basically turns my fargen blackbird into a $5k dumble amp. It can get subtle levels of overdrive too though for that, the blue note is superior.
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I agree that low gain settings are not its strong suit. It sounds nice but there are a lot more options that I'd prefer. I think if I were to build a board around The Dude, I'd save it for strictly high gain lead sounds where I can crank the deep control a bit. If you're trying to play rhythm with the deep control on it's too muddy.
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