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    I have a Champion 20 that I use to practice on the couch in the living room. Have been able to dial in a sound that is not unpleasing and in some cases sounds pretty good for such an inexpensive guitar. For a long time I've been following threads about the Little Jazz and have wondered would this be a step up or be different qualitatively enough from the Champion to warrant buying one. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vashondan View Post
    I have a Champion 20 that I use to practice on the couch in the living room. Have been able to dial in a sound that is not unpleasing and in some cases sounds pretty good for such an inexpensive guitar. For a long time I've been following threads about the Little Jazz and have wondered would this be a step up or be different qualitatively enough from the Champion to warrant buying one. What do you think?
    A bit different, but not necessarily better -- that's really a matter of taste. I have a Champion 20, and tried the DV Little Jazz. I don't remember much about the sound of the DV, TBH, But I did pick the C20 over it (granted, price and weight were big factors for me). I've been very happy with the C20. I use it at jam sessions with drummers and horns, and it's plenty loud for that, and sounds really good(ridiculously good, actually; it holds its own IMO with AER and Henriksen amps I've played through at the same session). At living room volumes, I doubt you'll notice the advantages of the DV's extra watts. You might prefer its sound, but that's a hard thing for someone else to predict.

    John

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    [QUOTE=John A.;966657]A bit different, but not necessarily better -- that's really a matter of taste. I have a Champion 20, and tried the DV Little Jazz. I don't remember much about the sound of the DV, TBH, But I did pick the C20 over it (granted, price and weight were big factors for me). I've been very happy with the C20. I use it at jam sessions with drummers and horns, and it's plenty loud for that, and sounds really good(ridiculously good, actually; it holds its own IMO with AER and Henriksen amps I've played through at the same session). At living room volumes, I doubt you'll notice the advantages of the DV's extra watts. You might prefer its sound, but that's a hard thing for someone else to predict.

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    Thanks, doesn't seem like it would be worth the difference for a living rm amp. What kind of settings do you use?

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    Could just be me, but the LJ is perfectly suitable for coffee house and small club gigs. Part of this is due to the XLR out which I use to go into the house’s PA.

    The Fender would is not up to this.
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    I own a C20 and I use an EQ pedal with it to get closest to the sound Im after. the amp takes pedals very well,and it can get loud.

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    I really like the Little Jazz, and I run it flat almost always. The tone controls are very effective, so there is a lot of room for changing the tone. As for the Champ, I have no idea at all.

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    I've been using the LJ exclusively since I got it. I have used it with a full big band, among other things. I had it up as far as I'd want to go -- if there hadn't been a pianist, maybe I would have been caught short for volume. Maybe.

    I haven't heard that Fender so I'm not commenting on it. But, I certainly wouldn't be afraid of the LJ.

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    [QUOTE=vashondan;966681]
    Quote Originally Posted by John A. View Post

    Thanks, doesn't seem like it would be worth the difference for a living rm amp. What kind of settings do you use?
    I Mainly use the Deluxe Reverb Model, bass and treble all the way down to boost the mids, and a little reverb. Gain and Volume depend on the situation.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alder Statesman View Post
    Could just be me, but the LJ is perfectly suitable for coffee house and small club gigs. Part of this is due to the XLR out which I use to go into the house’s PA.

    The Fender would is not up to this.
    I'm not knocking the DV, which I'm sure can do loud/clean better. But, I've done small-room gigs with my C20, and used someone else's in a decent sized bar with a blues band. It's loud. Not as loud as my Princeton Reverb, but it gets the job done surprisingly well. It's a real amp, not a Pignose.

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    My experience with the lower end Fender SS amps has almost always been very poor. Maybe they're better now, so who knows.
    As for the DV Mark Little Jazz - I really like mine.

    Great sounding and loud enough to gig with. Definitely not the 'Fender' sound - very much in the Polytone vein. Have done some reasonably loud gigs with mine and was very surprised how well it performed.

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    Ok, thanks. Tough distinction here and maybe since I wouldn't sell the 20 it the DV might be worth a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entresz View Post
    My experience with the lower end Fender SS amps has almost always been very poor. Maybe they're better now, so who knows.
    As for the DV Mark Little Jazz - I really like mine.

    Great sounding and loud enough to gig with. Definitely not the 'Fender' sound - very much in the Polytone vein. Have done some reasonably loud gigs with mine and was very surprised how well it performed.
    Sorry to sound like such a salesman, but the Champion modeling series is nothing like the cheap-o Fender SS amps (e.g., Frontman). But the point you make about the Polytone vs Fender sound is, uh, sound. The models in the Champion (and Mustang) amps are all Fender emulations, and if you prefer the Polytone sound, DV or Henriksen amps are both better choices.

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    Champion amps sound OK by themselves. But I did side by side test comparing my girlfriends Champion 40 with a Princeton reverb I had at the time. Both had 12inch speakers (my Princeton was a 12inch model) with similar cabinet sizes. Champ on the Princeton voice. I know it's not a fair comparison but the difference was startling. Playing Champion by itself, you don't expect that much difference because the voicings seem to capture the character of Fender amps (tweeds, blackfaces etc.). Nevertheless Princeton seemed to operate in a whole new dimension. Champions have crappy speakers, that might be a big part. When I compare quality Fender amps with quality SS amps (like Henriksen's or a Traynor that I have) running through the same cabinet, the difference isn't as glaring. There is difference in feel and EQ but not in "goodness" as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell View Post
    I really like the Little Jazz, and I run it flat almost always. The tone controls are very effective, so there is a lot of room for changing the tone. As for the Champ, I have no idea at all.
    I run mine with bass almost all the way off, mids at noon and treble at 11 o'clock. Odd, perhaps, that I'd have to turn down bass on an 8 inch speaker, but that's what I do. I do the same thing, more or less, when I use a Roland 40X and several other amps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    Champion amps sound OK by themselves. But I did side by side test comparing my girlfriends Champion 40 with a Princeton reverb I had at the time. Both had 12inch speakers (my Princeton was a 12inch model) with similar cabinet sizes. Champ on the Princeton voice. I know it's not a fair comparison but the difference was startling. Playing Champion by itself, you don't expect that much difference because the voicings seem to capture the character of Fender amps (tweeds, blackfaces etc.). Nevertheless Princeton seemed to operate in a whole new dimension. Champions have crappy speakers, that might be a big part. When I compare quality Fender amps with quality SS amps (like Henriksen's or a Traynor that I have) running through the same cabinet, the difference isn't as glaring. There is difference in feel and EQ but not in "goodness" as much.
    I have a PR as well. I agree that the PR model on the Champions is not great, and that the real thing is a whole other level. The DR model sounds much better, and is the one I mainly use. I also agree that the speakers in these amps are not great. But you have to consider the use case. Light, cheap grab & go that's useful and good for practicing and some performance situations, vs top-quality professional tool, that's heavy and relatively fragile, but works in many more situations and sounds as good as an amp can sound. I definitely like my PR more, but I use my C20 more.

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    I have a Little Jazz and it is quite a good amp. I also have no problem with the cheap fender solid state amps.
    I used to take guitar lessons where the practice room provided a Fender Frontman 25. I found that amp very easy to dail in for a low volume decent jazz tone. Pretty nice really. I almost bought one!

    I think if you really want a different sound from your amp you should try a low power tube amp.

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    Have been able to dial in a sound that is not unpleasing(...)”

    Beautifully said!

    I’ll bet that Your Fender has a better reverb than DV. I had the Micro 50 for a while and found out that it’s reverb was not a reverb but a super fast delay. Made me feel claustrophobic, had to sell it.

    My rehearsal room amp cheapo Fender Princeton 112 (bought used for 80€) has a digital reverb, which is not great, but at least it is a reverb.

    The majority seems to dig DVs a lot so they are worth trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie View Post
    Have been able to dial in a sound that is not unpleasing(...)”

    Beautifully said!

    I’ll bet that Your Fender has a better reverb than DV. I had the Micro 50 for a while and found out that it’s reverb was not a reverb but a super fast delay. Made me feel claustrophobic, had to sell it.

    My rehearsal room amp cheapo Fender Princeton 112 (bought used for 80€) has a digital reverb, which is not great, but at least it is a reverb.

    The majority seems to dig DVs a lot so they are worth trying.
    Yes, I bet the Fender reverb is superior as well. The headphone jack on the Fender is probably superior, too, assuming that is important to you. The headphone jack on the LJ is unusable IMO.
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    I just put in an order today for a Little Jazz. I was looking for something a little lighter in weight than the Boss Katana 50 I am using. I am hoping reverb will not be an issue as I typically use very little.

    I expect I will primarily use it with my Eastman AR503CE for a Sunday evening open mic / jam event I go to.

    I found it was not the easiest decision to make. I wanted to keep the weight at 20 lbs or less and I found myself bouncing back an forth between the Little Jazz, Henriksen Bud/Blue, AER Compact 60, or Quilter. I just want one good jazz tone I like. Almost tempted to order something else for comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alder Statesman View Post
    The headphone jack on the Fender is probably superior, too, assuming that is important to you. The headphone jack on the LJ is unusable IMO.
    Hi, Alder Statesman, could you elaborate on why you've found the headphone jack to be unusable? That actually would be a pretty big consideration for me (live in an apartment) ...

    Thanks for any insights.

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    Well, maybe...thanks everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmw2002 View Post
    Hi, Alder Statesman, could you elaborate on why you've found the headphone jack to be unusable? That actually would be a pretty big consideration for me (live in an apartment) ...

    Thanks for any insights.
    The headphone signal is kind of hissy and noisy. But I don’t use it anyway.

    The reverb is not great (sounds kind of artificial), but is ok if you just use a small amount (which is ok for me, I hate too much reverb).

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    In my somewhat limited experience, I've never heard a built-in reverb that I liked much. The DV reverb is ok if it's at a level where you can barely tell it's there, like other reverbs. I don't play surf rock. And the headphone jack is like the others I've heard, far too much gain, and noisy. There may be better ones available, but I haven't heard them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmw2002 View Post
    Hi, Alder Statesman, could you elaborate on why you've found the headphone jack to be unusable? That actually would be a pretty big consideration for me (live in an apartment) ...

    Thanks for any insights.
    Horrible hiss. I tried one besides my own it was just as bad. My workaround is to take the XLR into my Tascam DP-03SD and monitor through the headphones on the Tascam after switching off the LJ’s speaker. Tedious, but it works.
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    Came back to this thread to refresh my memory re comments about the DV and then ordered one. I'm happy with my X2 and the Champ 20 but needed to try this thing out for myself and a little different tone might be just an added bonus. It was on sale (is on sale) for 249.00 so figured with that price and 45 days to decide what the heck.

    Will let you know what I think!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vashondan View Post
    Came back to this thread to refresh my memory re comments about the DV and then ordered one. I'm happy with my X2 and the Champ 20 but needed to try this thing out for myself and a little different tone might be just an added bonus. It was on sale (is on sale) for 249.00 so figured with that price and 45 days to decide what the heck.

    Will let you know what I think!
    That's a great price for this amp! I paid $110 more last December.

    The photo at Musician's Friend is, apparently, the older model with the noisy fan. From what somebody else posted, the product is likely to be the updated version, even though the picture is the older one.

    The new model has a redesigned fan and I've never heard it. I have no idea if it even works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar View Post
    That's a great price for this amp! I paid $110 more last December.

    The photo at Musician's Friend is, apparently, the older model with the noisy fan. From what somebody else posted, the product is likely to be the updated version, even though the picture is the older one.

    The new model has a redesigned fan and I've never heard it. I have no idea if it even works.
    I had pretty much talked myself out of getting one when I saw the ad. I asked them about the fan thing and they assured me that any amps they had were newer ones. The price made me suspicious but MF often does crazy prices on items. Fingers crossed.

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    The one I received recently came from GC. It was the latest model. Unfortunately I am 10 days past the price match guarantee window.

    Last Sunday night we used the DI for the first time. I was told it sounded even better coming through the JBL PRX monitors. (I didn't have to move or lift the PRX monitors.) :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleOM View Post
    The one I received recently came from GC. It was the latest model. Unfortunately I am 10 days past the price match guarantee window.

    Last Sunday night we used the DI for the first time. I was told it sounded even better coming through the JBL PRX monitors. (I didn't have to move or lift the PRX monitors.) :-)
    Sorry about the lateness of my purchase Hoping I like it as much as others. Do you use the reverb? Haven't heard good things about it.

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    I can't say I really use it. The way I normally set reverb is to gradually raise it until I can hear the effect and then I turn it down a wee bit. The bar room where I normally use it has a lot of natural reverb. With all of the overhead fans in that room we also get a lot of warble effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleOM View Post
    The one I received recently came from GC. It was the latest model. Unfortunately I am 10 days past the price match guarantee window.

    Last Sunday night we used the DI for the first time. I was told it sounded even better coming through the JBL PRX monitors. (I didn't have to move or lift the PRX monitors.) :-)
    MF and GC are the same company. It might worth contacting them about the price match -- it is kind of skeevy of them to sell you something out of one pocket that they're selling to someone else cheaper out of a different pocket, and they might be a sheepish about that if it were brought to their attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A. View Post
    MF and GC are the same company. It might worth contacting them about the price match -- it is kind of skeevy of them to sell you something out of one pocket that they're selling to someone else cheaper out of a different pocket, and they might be a sheepish about that if it were brought to their attention.

    John
    They do have a price match guarantee for 45 days. I am outside that 45 day window.

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    IMO the reverb is okay. I do about the same as Danielle. If I can tell the reverb is on, it's too much. I usually use a TC HOF mini, though, because it's convenient. My MB200 and Clarus have no reverb, so I use the HOF, where I can barely tell it's there, and just use the same cable out for the LJ. But if I take it out, I don't bother with the HOF, and the onboard reverb is fine, but never at a level that I can really hear. More than that and it's surf music, which I don't care for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleOM View Post
    They do have a price match guarantee for 45 days. I am outside that 45 day window.
    Understood, but they're the same company, and even now they are selling the same product for two different prices, depending on which website you go to. It looks like they may have been doing that for a while. Might be worth saying "hey, that's not cool."

    John

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    I think the reverb sounds good in the first half of the knob's rotation.

    Sounds strange to me after that. My son, who is a good musician, liked it.

    I get some of my reverb from my pedalboard, but I use the LJ's reverb around 10 o'clock.

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    Well, got it this morning and have been playing around with it the last couple of hours. I'm on the fence. My first impression was that I was going to send it back. It's definitely a nice little amp but the sound is so different than the Fender amps, which is mostly what I've ever played, that I was taken back by it. I'll definitely spend some more time with it but....

    I play two tiles. One with a humbucker in neck and the other traditional. I didn't like it at all with the single coils. No matter what I did it sounded like the typical twangy punchy sound of a Tele bridge. There were some sounds with the humbucker that make me want to give it more of a chance but the punchiness was there with it as well unless I played lightly.

    What I really want is a PRRI and I was hoping this would make me happy enough to put it out my mind. Will see. Stay tuned. What kind of guitars are you all playing with the amp?

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    I don’t know what kind of sound you are after, but I find it gives a very good ‘classic jazz guitar’ sound using an archtop, i.e. quite a fat, warm sound. It doesn’t seem to give a lot of treble/bright frequency even with the treble control right up, but that doesn’t bother me as I’m not after that sound. (Although that may partly be down to using my 175 on the neck pickup, it’s never going to sound like surf guitar!)

    Anyway here’s an example of the sound I get from it:


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop View Post
    I don’t know what kind of sound you are after, but I find it gives a very good ‘classic jazz guitar’ sound using an archtop, i.e. quite a fat, warm sound. It doesn’t seem to give a lot of treble/bright frequency even with the treble control right up, but that doesn’t bother me as I’m not after that sound. (Although that may partly be down to using my 175 on the neck pickup, it’s never going to sound like surf guitar!)

    Anyway here’s an example of the sound I get from it:

    Very nice. What kind of settings are you using?

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    Here are the settings I use on mine:
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    Quote Originally Posted by vashondan View Post
    Well, got it this morning and have been playing around with it the last couple of hours. I'm on the fence. My first impression was that I was going to send it back. It's definitely a nice little amp but the sound is so different than the Fender amps, which is mostly what I've ever played, that I was taken back by it. I'll definitely spend some more time with it but....

    I play two tiles. One with a humbucker in neck and the other traditional. I didn't like it at all with the single coils. No matter what I did it sounded like the typical twangy punchy sound of a Tele bridge. There were some sounds with the humbucker that make me want to give it more of a chance but the punchiness was there with it as well unless I played lightly.

    What I really want is a PRRI and I was hoping this would make me happy enough to put it out my mind. Will see. Stay tuned. What kind of guitars are you all playing with the amp?
    A matter of taste, of course.

    That said, I would suggest trying it flat on the floor, then tilted back, then on a stand or chair. Also, make sure it isn't too close to a wall. It has a port in back and a nearby wall makes a big difference. The tilting doesn't make quite as big a difference, but you can hear it.

    Others have posted how sensitive it is to its own EQ settings.

    Worth trying these things, but no guarantee that you get the sound you're looking for. Good luck with it.

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    @grahambop - Thanks for the settings. I was pretty close to that by the time I was done with it.

    @rpjazzguitar - I had read the threads and tried all of those variations but the basic sound was not what I'd hoped for. I think it may just be that there's dissonance because I'm not used to its unique sound in comparison to what I'm so used to. Having said that the guitar I would use it with the most (the single coil) gives me a sound I just don't like with that amp. Better with the humbucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vashondan View Post
    @grahambop - Thanks for the settings. I was pretty close to that by the time I was done with it.

    @rpjazzguitar - I had read the threads and tried all of those variations but the basic sound was not what I'd hoped for. I think it may just be that there's dissonance because I'm not used to its unique sound in comparison to what I'm so used to. Having said that the guitar I would use it with the most (the single coil) gives me a sound I just don't like with that amp. Better with the humbucker.
    Sorry to hear that it's not what you're looking for.

    I've played mine with split coil on the Comins GCS-1, which sounds good to me, but usually I'm a neck HB guy.

    I had been using three amps, in different settings, prior to getting the LJ.

    In my usual rehearsal room, I was using an original 64 Ampeg Reverberocket, which has my all time fave reverb. The LJ, surprisingly. didn't sound all that different with my lead tone. And, the LJ was a little cleaner on chords.

    On gigs, I was usually using a Roland JC55. The LJ sounds warmer. The JC55 is louder and I recently took it, instead of the LJ, to a big band gig where the guitar was supposed to be the only comping instrument. I thought I'd need the extra volume. But, the LJ has sufficed for that gig when there's a piano and I'm not playing as loud.

    In another rehearsal room, there's a Roland 40X. The LJ sounds warmer.

    But, of course, in the end, all that matters is how it sounds to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop View Post
    Here are the settings I use on mine:
    Many, many thanks for the pic of your settings. I was becoming more frustrated with not being able to find the tone I wanted from my LJ. I was blaming my fingers, my guitar, my pickup, my picks, etc.

    Your settings helped me to get the tone I have been searching for more than anything I have tried to date. Ironically, I was actually quit close with my own settings but your pic was final layer of icing on the cake.

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    So I took it into my living room where I had intended to use it and it sounded different. Placed it away from the wall and pointing across my body instead of at me. Much better. Did an AB comparison with the champ 20 thats there and it sounded a bit better in some regards. I too used your settings as baseline @grahambop. Helped. How about others? What settings do you use?

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    I mostly put the EQ knobs at 12 o'clock, flat. Sometimes decrease the bass and/or treble just a little. It depends on the guitar and the location. But I always start out flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vashondan View Post
    I too used your settings as baseline @grahambop. Helped.
    How about others? What settings do you use?
    Did you see this thread?
    DV Mark Little Jazz combo...Please comment further re: EQ, tilting, elevating, etc.

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    No, thanks. I’ll take a look.

    @sgonell - thanks for the settings. Your approach seems sound (no pun intended).


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    Hey, just to be clear...are the settings that have been posted based on the number of dots from off or o'clock?

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    Mine are 12 o'clock, except for the reverb, which I usually set at about the second dot. But your preference for that will likely be different. The LJ is not a Fender, so flat is with the pointers at 12 o'clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell View Post
    Mine are 12 o'clock, except for the reverb, which I usually set at about the second dot. But your preference for that will likely be different. The LJ is not a Fender, so flat is with the pointers at 12 o'clock.
    I have the bass almost all the way off. Mids at noon. Treble about 11 o'clock. Reverb at maybe 10 o'clock. I put the volume at about 1 o'clock and then control it from my pedalboard.

    Then, I add some reverb with the pedalboard and use the resulting tone for comping. I don't like a lot of lows when I comp. There's usually a piano, always a bass and drums and, often, horns. Lows risk making the band muddy, at least, with my hands and ears. And, the Comins has a rather dark sound.

    For solos I add some other effects, including more low frequency info.