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  1. #201

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    you couldnt have a full hollow body and and use that type bridge..it would have to be mounted to a centerblock...

    here's a true hollow beauty by toru nittono..with the bridge and tailpiece type needed
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    cheers

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  3. #202

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
    To me, 3 on a side just doesn't look right on a Tele body but YMMV
    I can do a snakehead, but the body top needs to have a La Cabronita pickguard. I also would be ok with the hot dog control route/plate. Rear route not so much. Oh, and I still have issues with an f-hole on a Tele body. It's a very contemporary body shape and the traditional f-hole design is way out of place IMHO. Something with a cat's eye would suite my eye better. Just sayin'. Carry on.

  4. #203

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
    To me, 3 on a side just doesn't look right on a Tele body but YMMV
    For some reason, the gibson style headstock is what I find most jarring about that one too.

    Strangely Ernie Ball's headstocks seem to look alright to me on fender-styled guitars.

    Lost the finish and binding.

    I think if you were going to do Warmoth and have a bolt-on neck, the tune-a-matic bridge's height might pose some angle issues. A hardtail might the easier and I am fairly certain would be the cheaper way to go. A top loader would have a looser feel, a little closer to a Gibson (though not exactly the same) than a through body.

    ...And in a tele why not put a bridge pickup in while you are at it.

    Valley Arts made these based on Carlton's specs:
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    I think I would go for a Lollar 50s wind p-90 in the neck. I have already done a Lollar CC pickup in the neck of a tele and was really pleased with the results.

  5. #204

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    Get a 4+2 and keep the straight Fender style string pull, like ernie balls have.

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    Mine has semi-hollow mahogany body with maple top (unfinished from Skip Ellis, with a hand rubbed boiled linseed oil finish), an old Warmoth maple neck with rosewood fingerboard "borrowed" from my other Tele which the got the factory neck back. It came with a Pete Biltoft HCC pickup, as seen in the photo, and is currently sporting a Stew-Mac Golden Age that sounds really good. There's no bridge pickup. Also Stringsaver saddles on the bridge to de-twang it and reduce the spike around 2k Hz. Good jazz tone.

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    Doesn't sound much like an Es-125 Sorry about the picture being sideways, the board editing functions to rotate photos aren't working. Landscape orientation must be the default, even though the photo itself is in portrait.
    Last edited by Cunamara; 07-06-2019 at 01:35 PM.

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    I like that one Cunamara!

    Guys, understand I already have a good Telecaster, an Modern Player Thinline P90 body with a Squier Classic Vibe neck on it:



    It’s a pretty great guitar but it’s a Tele. The goal with this one to get a Tele-sized ES-125.... I don’t really know how realistic that is but for me it’s also an experiment.... that’s why I want (and need) to keep it low budget as well.

    I have a neck already:


    And a number of P90s:


    I have too many parts laying around of unfinished past projects and instead of just buying new guitars (have all the guitars I need really) I want to see if I can create the tone and feel I am after by careful selecting the parts and construction of which I think are responsible for that. Or at least find out.

    My theory is that a P90 and a mahogany 24.75” neck should take me in the right direction. I suspect the wooden bridge and tailpiece of the 125 play a big role so I am trying to find a similar construction for a Tele body. Neck angle will be an issue indeed. My plan is to first experiment with a cheapish thinline body and a hard tail bridge and see what that brings. After that I can always take it furter and angle the neck and try a modified archtop bridge and trapeze tailpiece.

    I have plenty of parts to experiment with:



    (Oh man, the stuff one gathers in 30 years of playing guitar.....)

    So now I am scavenging the auction sites for a Tele body I can use....

  8. #207

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    you couldnt have a full hollow body and and use that type bridge..it would have to be mounted to a centerblock...

    here's a true hollow beauty by toru nittono..with the bridge and tailpiece type needed
    Fender Telecaster for Jazz. Which one?-03517bb0d44132bc602eef513f8f456a-jpg

    cheers
    I like that one! With a P90 and a 24.75” scale that is pretty much the guitar I have in mind!

    (Oh and maybe an f-hole

  9. #208

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedism
    Get a 4+2 and keep the straight Fender style string pull, like ernie balls have.
    I hear ya, but the goal of this experiment is to stray as far away as possible from the Fender characteristics and get a Gibson in a Fender package ;-)

    Maybe it’s impossible but I want to find out and it should be a fun ride anyway.....

  10. #209

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    Built my jazz Tele couple years ago, and use it quite a lot. Actually I made two, and Rio has the other one (if he still has it). Lightweight (2,5 kg) and a single 57 classic. Good luck with the project and eager to see how it comes out !


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    I have toyed with an idea of same kinda project. Then I found this (this is with humbuckers, but anyway):

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    (No, I did not buy this, still just ’toying with an idea’!)

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    Maybe I’ll end up building something like this ;-)


  13. #212

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9
    In that case, maybe look at one of the hollow PRSi.
    Nah, that’s too easy and is beside the purpose of the project! And I don’t just want to buy another guitar, I want to make one using up my parts supplies ;-)

  14. #213

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    This one works real well!! DiMarzio 36th Anniversary. Chambered mahogany with curly maple top. It's a top loader so a little 'looser'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    I like that one Cunamara!
    Thanks, man! Very happy with how it turned out.

    The goal with this one to get a Tele-sized ES-125.... I don’t really know how realistic that is but for me it’s also an experiment.... that’s why I want (and need) to keep it low budget as well.
    OK, so here are my thoughts about chasing Gibsonishness:

    Mahogany neck with 24.75" scale. The overtone structure of the shorter scale is different than the long scale neck and will reduce the tendency towards twang. I'd be inclined to a rosewood board since that's probably what the ES-125 has.

    Chambered mahogany body, too, but alder would not be too far off the mark either. Warmoth will make one for you with TOM and stop tailpiece mounting holes and an angle neck pocket, if you want to go new. If you're (like me) looking for the economical option, auctions and Craigslist may turn up something. If you can get a TOM low enough to the top (maybe even routing some relief underneath it so that it recesses into the body a bit), you might be able to get away with just a shim in the neck pocket to get over the bridge with decent action. You could go with a tailpiece in that scenario too.

    What you will end up with is more sustain than the ES-125 has, but if you like flat wounds that will reduce that effect on the wound strings somewhat. Tapewounds, perhaps. Big gauges, too- .013s. Might even get some thunk.

    Don't use metal bridge saddles. GraphTech Stringsaver saddles would be a reasonable choice; I find they make my guitars sound "jazzier" rather than "countryer" even with a Fender style bridge.

    Amplification will matter as well. My jazz Tele sounds very, very different through my Polytone Baby Taurus than through my tweed Deluxe or my Clarus/RE cab. The Polytone gives it a more hollow archtop-ish vibe compared to the others.

  16. #215

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    We came pretty close to your spec during the last two years that we were building guitars. It's hollow except for a small block under the bridge. Most of them were 24.75" scale length with either spruce or cedar tops.

    This particular one sounded like this.



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  17. #216

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    I had my friend and luthier Laurent Brondel build me my idea of a perfect “jazz” telecaster a few years ago. As you can see, it was very much inspired by some of the guitars that Tim Lerch plays. Overall, it weighs 6 lb. 10 oz. (3 kg). It has a swamp ash body, a C-shaped with some ample shoulder birdseye sugar maple neck with Jescar EVO 47104 frets, a slightly wider than standard 1-11/16” (42.9 mm) nut width and 2-1/8” (57.2 mm) bridge spacing. For pickups he used Jason Lollar Charlie Christian for Tele (neck) and B.S. Tele (bridge). These PUs are not dead quiet, but the slight noise is tolerable to me given the wonderful balance between clarity of a single-coil and warmth of a humbucker that they deliver.


  18. #217

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    LJ, Fender/Squier made some short scale telecasters a while back...



    Squier Vintage modified thinline telecaster, 24.75" neck...
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    This one has a hollowed Adler body.

    Have fun and catch youse laters matey

  19. #218

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    I know I posted this in the Tele love thread, by here it is again. This is my version of the Tim Lerch Tele. Even has the same Biltoff CC pickup. Unlike a lot of players on this forum, I like a wide neck and plenty of space between the strings for my stubby fat fingers to be able to pluck strings. This one has a 1-7/8" nut and 2-3/8" string spacing at the bridge creating an almost cross-over feel to it. I love it so much I'm making another guitar (a ES-350T looking thing) around this same neck geometry. Despite being chambered, it is a wee heavy for me. Otherwise it has proven the perfect jazz machine.
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  20. #219

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    Maybe this should be a thread of its own, but has anybody experience on B&G Little Sister guitars? Private Build or Crossroads models? They come with their own P90 or humbucker.

    I played once a humbucker version for a 3 minutes. It has definitely its own solid feeling. I am looking for a P90 version for a decent price, maybe used. Have not seen very many second hand ones.

    Hmm... maybe this is not quite teleish... but a bit like ES125'ish!

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  21. #220

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    Here's mine. Also posted in the Tele love thread. One piece lightweight swamp ash body, ebony fingerboard on roasted maple, Earvana nut, SS frets, Fralin P-92. Concentric volume/tone and 6 way rotary varitone. I got the bridge from someone called Telenator, but he stopped making them.
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  22. #221

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    Hi folks, it’s been a while but this project was in the back of my mind all the time for continuation! Meanwhile I found a body that was cheap enough to experiment with and decent enough to work with:



    It’s one of those cheap Chinese bodies sold thru several channels. Mine had the name Muslady on the box. It’s a decent piece of a lighter kind of mahogany, with the correct tele thinline dimensions.

    The top ’wood’ is a bit disappointing: a (fine) particle board (mdf-like) material with a thin mahogany veneer. I was hoping it would be a ply top, but at least it’s very dense:



    Since I wanted a 24.75” scale I either had to re-position the bridge or adjust the cutout for the heel of the neck. I did the latter, plus I cut a little piece off the neck, so the pickup-cutout would sit in the right position - 48.5 cm from the top nut, between the virtual 24th and 25th fret (I copied that from my ES-125):



    The bridge can now be in the normal telecaster position:



    Of course it’s all a bit rough and very low budget but keep in mind it’s an experiment to see how I like it and how much of the ES-125 vibe can be caught in a telecaster design. If it turns out to be to my liking, It could be a serious option to have a proper guitar with quality materials put together by a real luthier....
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  23. #222

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    Made a control plate today. For the time being she will have a single P90. Maybe later I can put a bridge pu as well, but I don’t have one laying around:


  24. #223

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    My take on this : if you want the feel and (at least similar) tone of a thinline Gibson without a centerblock you'd need a freely vibrating top and a free-floating bridge . A smallish Tele body shape will make a difference. In order to fit a floating bridge the neck angle would have to be adjusted accordingly (a neck-shim is used on Teles with a Bigsby for the same reason). Judging from my experience a semi-solid body does not come near the response and sensitivity of a true hollow body, no matter which type of wood you use. When you listen carefully to Ed Bickert, Tim Lerch, Ted Greene, John Abercrombie and lately Julian Lage the sound they get is still largely that of a solid body guitar, even as some play a semi-hollow instrument. The sustain, note bloom and the attack are noticeably different - compare those to some classic Grant Green cuts where he was using his ES-330 or some Emily Remler ....

    PS : I built my first Tele with Warmoth parts some 25 years ago, using a semi-hollow body and a one-piece maple neck - still in constant use and a veteran of more than 1500 gigs ....

  25. #224

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    Fender floated the JA90. A respectable all around set neck tele thinline.


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    Gitman, yes I realize it won’t sound as a hollow body... simply because it’s not hollow. I tried looking for a (low budget) hollow tele body but to no prevail, so I settled for the thinline design. I already have a Modern Player Thinline P90 tele, so this will probably end up sounding somewhat similar..... but what I miss in that instrument is the 24.75” scale and the sound and resonance of a mahogany neck.

    I will install electronics soon for a first sound impression. Then the finetuning: cutting the nut and I expect a fret leveling will be necessary. And of course finishing the body; that will be a first for me.

    I love the tele-design for its robustness and small size and this one will be even smaller. I hope it turns out to be a nice travel guitar at least!