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  1. #51

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
    Sounds great. Playing too.
    Plus one on that!

    To soften or eliminate the bass string's "zing", you might try a thin strip of leather (chamois or an old strap) or somesuch over the brass of the offending strings. Just a thought.

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  3. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenk74
    Plus one on that!

    To soften or eliminate the bass string's "zing", you might try a thin strip of leather (chamois or an old strap) or somesuch over the brass of the offending strings. Just a thought.
    That’s a good one! Might give it more of a wood bridge-like response!

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    Thru this phone and Youtube it is impossible to say if it sounds like ES125 or a tele (not so much) but it sounds darn good!

    Might be Your playing too... or then it is the Antiquity pickup!

    I wonder in which direction would Gibson type bridge (more shims to the pocket) transfer the sound.

    Anyway, great project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie
    Thru this phone and Youtube it is impossible to say if it sounds like ES125 or a tele (not so much) but it sounds darn good!

    Might be Your playing too... or then it is the Antiquity pickup!

    I wonder in which direction would Gibson type bridge (more shims to the pocket) transfer the sound.

    Anyway, great project.
    Thanks! Well I can tell you it doesn’t exactly sound like my ES-125 but it’s not far off!

    Yes I am contemplating about a Gibson-type bridge myself as well. I was thinking bridge posts into the wood carrying the top part of a rosewood archtop bridge. I have a couple of archtop bridges laying around, but no clue how to install those bridge posts directly into the wood without bridge studs (I don’t want to install studs - I don’t have them and seems too invasive if I decide not to keep them).

  6. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Thanks! Well I can tell you it doesn’t exactly sound like my ES-125 but it’s not far off!

    Yes I am contemplating about a Gibson-type bridge myself as well. I was thinking bridge posts into the wood carrying the top part of a rosewood archtop bridge. I have a couple of archtop bridges laying around, but no clue how to install those bridge posts directly into the wood without bridge studs (I don’t want to install studs - I don’t have them and seems too invasive if I decide not to keep them).
    Why not just buy one of these:
    https://shop.rall-online.net/epages/...6&Locale=en_GB
    (don’t know anything about the seller, this is the first link I found) and put that rosewood bridge in to it?

    You like rosewood, have You tested ebony ones?

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    Hmm, with a bridge base I have to completely alter the neck’s angle, to get sufficient height. Shimming won’t get me there, I would have to alter the neck pocket, look for different length neck screws.... that goes a little beyond what I had in mind (and perhaps beyond my skills as well).

    With only the top part of the bridge and with the posts directly into the body I might get away with only shimming the neck.

    And usually I prefer rosewood indeed, but in the case of my Ibanez AF55 rosewood sounded too muffled and I used an ebony bridge. So it depends on the guitar really.

  8. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Hmm, with a bridge base I have to completely alter the neck’s angle, to get sufficient height. Shimming won’t get me there, I would have to alter the neck pocket, look for different length neck screws.... that goes a little beyond what I had in mind (and perhaps beyond my skills as well).

    With only the top part of the bridge and with the posts directly into the body I might get away with only shimming the neck.

    And usually I prefer rosewood indeed, but in the case of my Ibanez AF55 rosewood sounded too muffled and I used an ebony bridge. So it depends on the guitar really.
    This is why I have considered to purchase a unrouted tele body so that I can give it and the neck to a luthier to be attached professionally to the right angle. Although my plans are for a solid body tele, so it would go with ABR-1 type bridge. And the trapeze tailpiece.

    I was amazed how different the rosewood and ebony bridges sound. In my ES175 VOS the rosewood sounded hard and thin when the ebony was lively and musical. But the stock rosewood bridge has two brass holes for the height screws so the might cause something too.

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    Hope I’m not boring you too much with this project..... but I booked a little more progress:

    Found a satisfying solution for the somewhat overly bright bass-response of the bridge:



    I removed the saddles and cut the top piece of an old archtop bridge to length and the right height. It comes from and old Japanese guitar and is actually plastic with a rosewood insert piece. But voilà! The metalic zzinggg is gone and added bonus: less sustain. Both a good thing for imitation of an archtop-like string response!

    I replaced the Antiquity dogear for a Chinese soapbar (out of a Fender Modern Player Thinline P90). This fits much better and the guitar is now probably set up. Although this pickup is not bad at all, I could immediately hear the difference with the Antiquity..... so I will tranfer the guts of the Antiquity into the soapbar housing!

    With the soapbar I need a scratch plate, I found an $8 tortoise example that will look fine I think:



    I have to trim it it to fit. I will go for this shape:


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    Wow, that's an innovative solution!

    If You want a bit of free string space behind the bridge to imitate archtop's trapeze tail piece, You can move the tele bridge plate away from neck and move Your new bridge where it should be. You can even cut the bridge plate so that there is the end part only left.

    When the strings do not go thru body holes You can move the bridge plate more freely.

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    Your tele is starting to get very cool indeed ....
    3 a side head , mahog , medium scale , wooden saddle
    p90 in the neck ...

    my kind of tele !

    Is the plastic/wood bridge floating ?
    is it just held in place by string pressure ?

  12. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    Your tele is starting to get very cool indeed ....
    3 a side head , mahog , medium scale , wooden saddle
    p90 in the neck ...

    my kind of tele !

    Is the plastic/wood bridge floating ?
    is it just held in place by string pressure ?
    Yes the bridge is not fixed, just being held in place by the strings. You can move it around for intonation. Of course, adjustments in height are more difficult....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie
    Wow, that's an innovative solution!

    If You want a bit of free string space behind the bridge to imitate archtop's trapeze tail piece, You can move the tele bridge plate away from neck and move Your new bridge where it should be. You can even cut the bridge plate so that there is the end part only left.

    When the strings do not go thru body holes You can move the bridge plate more freely.
    That’s a great idea! Hadn’t thought of that! You can find the ideal “after length” and angle you like. That really does something with the feel and string pressure.

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    This is an interesting thread. Your tele sounds very good and the playing is also awesome.

    I have been planning to build a jazz tele too, and as I also have an old es-125 that I love, it has been really interesting to see how your project turned out so far. I especially love your new bridge, and might try that on an ordinary tele build that I am doing. I am just a beginning hobbyist when it comes to building. Made recently a strat with a charlie christian pickup in the neck and even if that still needs some fine tuning I am building a tele now.

    what I like most about the Es-125 besides the sound, is the neck. If I were to build a guitar to chase the es-125 vibe, I’d start with building a replica of that neck, as close to the original as possible. I already have some african mahogany for that. I’d also position the pickup exactly at the same position. A lollar charlie christian would do, as vintage dogears would be to hard to find and I love the cc. And I would want the bridge to be just like the one on my es-125.

    Now, the body construction would need some thinking. I definitely would love to have a fully resonating top. But building the whole quitar the acoustic way would maybe too much (for my current skill level, at least) and beside the point. So I have been thinking a heavily chambered body with an arched spruce top could do. Of course it wouldnt still sound like an archtop guitar, but maybe it would sound jazzy enough. I am not interested in building another basic thinline tele as I already have one that I love.

    The overall shape would either be a tele but I have also been thinking it could maybe be like a benedetto bambino too.

    please do post a video with the new bridge!

    cheers
    Jonni

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonni
    This is an interesting thread. Your tele sounds very good and the playing is also awesome.
    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonni
    I have been planning to build a jazz tele too, and as I also have an old es-125 that I love, it has been really interesting to see how your project turned out so far. I especially love your new bridge, and might try that on an ordinary tele build that I am doing. I am just a beginning hobbyist when it comes to building. Made recently a strat with a charlie christian pickup in the neck and even if that still needs some fine tuning I am building a tele now.
    I am only an amateur with very few tools, so that limits my options to adjusting pre-fab parts unfortunately, otherwise I would have just built this from scratch exactly to my liking but it’s great to experiment this way and find out what every change does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonni
    what I like most about the Es-125 besides the sound, is the neck. If I were to build a guitar to chase the es-125 vibe, I’d start with building a replica of that neck, as close to the original as possible. I already have some african mahogany for that. I’d also position the pickup exactly at the same position. A lollar charlie christian would do, as vintage dogears would be to hard to find and I love the cc. And I would want the bridge to be just like the one on my es-125.
    Exactly the reason I went for the 24.75” scale. Fortunately the frets and shape of the Chinese neck are very much alike my ES-125’s (I guess they imitate modern Les Paul necks and Gibson didn’t change their necks that much over the years), it’s also quite a meaty neck, but more a flattened D shape where the ES-125 is more a C (more curve in the back). But it feels good!

    The pickup sits in the same place as the pickup in my ES-125, btw.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonni
    Now, the body construction would need some thinking. I definitely would love to have a fully resonating top. But building the whole quitar the acoustic way would maybe too much (for my current skill level, at least) and beside the point. So I have been thinking a heavily chambered body with an arched spruce top could do. Of course it wouldnt still sound like an archtop guitar, but maybe it would sound jazzy enough. I am not interested in building another basic thinline tele as I already have one that I love.
    I looked for a hollow tele body, even flat top, but couldn’t find anything cheap enough for my experimentation, so I settled for the readily available thinline design as the next best thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonni
    The overall shape would either be a tele but I have also been thinking it could maybe be like a benedetto bambino too.

    please do post a video with the new bridge!
    Will try to do a video soon!
    Last edited by Little Jay; 08-27-2019 at 07:01 AM.

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    Just finished the scratch plate.... lots of work since nothing is standard anymore. Had to reshape it from this:


    ...to this:


    I also changed to a standard metal control plate, since that fitted the cut out in the scratch plate.

    If I find a bridge pickup for a reasonable price I might install that since the cutout is already there (although I didn’t plan for a bridge pickup).

    Now it’s almost time to stain and finish it... I am thinking a walnut or worn brown stain with a thin clear coat....

    Video with sounds hopefully later today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie
    Maybe this should be a thread of its own, but has anybody experience on B&G Little Sister guitars? Private Build or Crossroads models? They come with their own P90 or humbucker.

    I played once a humbucker version for a 3 minutes. It has definitely its own solid feeling. I am looking for a P90 version for a decent price, maybe used. Have not seen very many second hand ones.

    Hmm... maybe this is not quite teleish... but a bit like ES125'ish!

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    Herbie,

    I have one. P90 Crossroads version. I love it!

    Albert

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKA
    Herbie,
    I have one. P90 Crossroads version. I love it!

    Albert
    Congrats! P90 Crossroads is in my radar too!

    What do You play with it, jazz or rock or heavy or what? Solo gigs or with a loud drummer? Does it feedback easily?

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    Little vid of the Jazzcaster in its current configuration, with generic Asian soapbar (that came out of my Fender Modern Player Thinline P90. Quite a difference..... clearly the SD Antiquity dogear is the better P90! Soon will replace the bottomplate and turn the Antiquity into a soapbar and put it back, this asian P90 is really lacking in comparison!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Little vid of the Jazzcaster in its current configuration, with generic Asian soapbar (that came out of my Fender Modern Player Thinline P90. Quite a difference..... clearly the SD Antiquity dogear is the better P90! Soon will replace the bottomplate and turn the Antiquity into a soapbar and put it back, this asian P90 is really lacking in comparison!

    Very nice guitar, playing and sound!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbmaj7#5#9
    Very nice guitar, playing and sound!
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Little vid of the Jazzcaster in its current configuration, with generic Asian soapbar (that came out of my Fender Modern Player Thinline P90. Quite a difference..... clearly the SD Antiquity dogear is the better P90! Soon will replace the bottomplate and turn the Antiquity into a soapbar and put it back, this asian P90 is really lacking in comparison!

    That is a sweet sounding axe! Nice playing, as well.

  23. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Little vid of the Jazzcaster in its current configuration, with generic Asian soapbar (that came out of my Fender Modern Player Thinline P90. Quite a difference..... clearly the SD Antiquity dogear is the better P90! Soon will replace the bottomplate and turn the Antiquity into a soapbar and put it back, this asian P90 is really lacking in comparison!

    Well done Jay! Looks great. Sounds great.

    Albert

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    Thanks guys!

    What do you think about the difference between de Antiquity P90 and the MIC soapbar?

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    Little Jay's guitar looking and sounding awesome, hope I can get a result nearly as good with my own project. Got a little progress made yesterday - the Gotoh bridge unit fitted, and neck lightly clamped in place to check string alignment and positioning of the scratchplate and GFS Surf 90 neck pickup - I need to do just a little careful sanding of the pickguard and enlarging of the right side neck pickup cavity to get things optimal. But still looking good

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    Interesting to compare the two pickups in your tele Jay - taste of course but to my ears there is a bit of brightness in the sound from the Asian made soapbar that I like. However the SD Antiquity does seem to have better dynamics, responsiveness and a bigger sound overall, so I would have to say that one wins for me. Great playing on both videos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie
    Maybe this should be a thread of its own, but has anybody experience on B&G Little Sister guitars? Private Build or Crossroads models? They come with their own P90 or humbucker.

    I played once a humbucker version for a 3 minutes. It has definitely its own solid feeling. I am looking for a P90 version for a decent price, maybe used. Have not seen very many second hand ones.

    Hmm... maybe this is not quite teleish... but a bit like ES125'ish!

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    Along the same lines as the B&G guitars is the Wide Sky P125. I actually preferred the one P125 that I played over the B&G's that I've tried.

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    Can one buy 24.75 scale three-a-side headstock
    rosewood fingerboard , medium jumbo fretted ,
    neck that will bolt straight on to a standard tele body ?


    i wouldn't mind a tele like that sometime ....

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    Check Warmoth for replacement parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    Can one buy 24.75 scale three-a-side headstock
    rosewood fingerboard , medium jumbo fretted ,
    neck that will bolt straight on to a standard tele body ?


    i wouldn't mind a tele like that sometime ....
    Yes, you can order conversion necks from Warmoth:

    Warmoth Custom Guitar Products - Warmoth Guitar Neck Gibson(R) Scale (24-3/4") Conversion Tiltback

    (But it will set you back $360 instead of the $38 I paid.....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Yes, you can order conversion necks from Warmoth:

    Warmoth Custom Guitar Products - Warmoth Guitar Neck Gibson(R) Scale (24-3/4") Conversion Tiltback

    (But it will set you back $360 instead of the $38 I paid.....)
    yeah i was hoping for more in the $38 ballpark ...

    well done you !

    btw
    do i need ‘tiltback’
    id probably use the standard
    tele bridge

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    Pingu, this is the neck I used:

    22 Frets Mahogany Electric DIY Guitar Neck For LP Gibson Les Paul Parts Replace | eBay



    I bought it thru eBay but you can also find it on AliExpress and Banggood. It’s surprisingly good! Trussrod works flawless, fretwork is pretty okay (but needs leveling to make it perfect). I didn’t even have to cut the nut a lot, just a few strokes with the nut-files sufficed for a good action.

    I removed about 2 centimeters (about 4/5”) from the heel, leaving the fretboard as ‘overhang’ to get the correct scale length, with the exiting pickup cutouts as the reference points. I reshaped the neck pocket into square-shaped (it had rounded corners):



    All you need is a sharp saw and a sharp chisel for that, easy-peasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu

    btw
    do i need ‘tiltback’
    id probably use the standard
    tele bridge
    You mean the neck angle? No, with a standard tele bridge and the soapbar P90 sunk deep enough into the body I didn’t even need a shim!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meggy
    Interesting to compare the two pickups in your tele Jay - taste of course but to my ears there is a bit of brightness in the sound from the Asian made soapbar that I like. However the SD Antiquity does seem to have better dynamics, responsiveness and a bigger sound overall, so I would have to say that one wins for me. Great playing on both videos!
    If your tele will sound as good as it looks then it will sound great!

    The asian soapbar P90 is not bad at all but just a tad thinner and more scooped compaired to the Antiquity. That has a nice and complex mid that is very pleasant. They are both around 8k impedance, but I can’t measure the Gauss-values.

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    What about this one?
    Sounds good to me.
    (Sorry if I am a little off-topic but I thought the OP could get some ideas from this design)


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    Saw that one :-) Does sound very good indeed! But in all honesty and not to blow my own horn, but -solely based on the video - I think I like how my Jazztele sounds now better.... I can’t touch that playing though, very good!

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    Finally got around to finishing the JazzTele last week. Also the finishing was in true guerrilla-low-cost-fashion with some left over furniture stain (dark oak-colour) and a spray can of PlastiKote Clear Polyurethane Varnish I found in the shed.....

    I had no grain filler laying around, but I hoped not using that would yield a ‘natural’ or rough vibe to the guitar. One layer of stain at the back, three runs of spray can and a fourth run to the top only. The wood is not perfect, a solid colour would probably have been better, there are also some spots were probably glue has been spilled at the factory, but I am pretty pleased with the outcome of my very first attempt at guitar finishing :-)

    Oh and I have a bridge pu and switch coming (cheapo again, ordered at AliExpress)










  38. #87

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    Nice lookin' axe, Little Jay! Well done!

  39. #88

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenk74
    Nice lookin' axe, Little Jay! Well done!
    Thanks! And she plays like butter too!

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    thanks LJ

    did you ever put a bridge PU
    on it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    thanks LJ

    did you ever put a bridge PU
    on it ?
    Yes I did:



    It’s a $15 Chinese Fleor pickup, bought from AliExpress. And to my surprise it’s a very well made (true to vintage construction, with alnico magnets and bottom plate) and very good sounding pickup! It has some bite without being sharp.

    Unfortunately the P90 has a lot more output and you can’t switch to the bridge PU without upping the volume but at least it’s there for when you need it. And combined pups make an ideal rhythm sound!

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    i'm pretty happy with my pawar tele. If you close your eyes, you'd think it was an archtop.


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    ^I was all set to argue with you, but it does indeed sound like an archtop- and nice playing

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    These Graph Tech replacement saddles work wonders for the jazz tele sound:
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    I've had two teles only, a G&L Bluesboy semi hollow, which was great... but wasn't my favorite for a 'jazz' tone.... but it was a great guitar
    then I got my '52 tele, and it just sounds great for jazz, better than the thinlines i've played... I'd love to try a humbucker equipped tele again