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    Who makes a true 35w blackface fender reverb amp clone in a 1x12 form factor or head? I've tried allen, fargen, morgan and several others which have "improved" upon the fender sound but TBH, none of them have an authentic fender sound. I have a fargen and morgan and love them both but yesterday, I stopped at guitar center and briefly played through a twin reissue and it just blew the morgan and fargen away in terms of pure, fender goodness. I don't want to deal with PC board amps so I won't buy a reissue fender but who is making a REAL fender amp clone? The ones that I know about are vintage sound, headstrong, victoria. Most of the others like carr, tone king, fargen, allen, heritage made "improvements" that take away from the fender sound and I really just like the fender sound.

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    Not sure but I know that people buy current Fender reissues and send them to Alessandro http://alessandro-products.com to have the pcb replaced with ptp. He probably has the knowledge of what to do/not do. Just a guess that he might be worth talking to. That or buying a vintage SF and paying a tech to wire it as you wish.
    Ignorance is agony.



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    Try to find an old MusicMan HD amp in a store. Leo improved on those old blackfaces. I've had a couple that had been modded by Andy Fuchs (great donor chassis for his ODS mod). Older Music Man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ View Post
    Try to find an old MusicMan HD amp in a store. Leo improved on those old blackfaces. I've had a couple that had been modded by Andy Fuchs (great donor chassis for his ODS mod). Older Music Man...
    Music Man amps will be fine if you’re looking for a clean blackface sound. Last year I was very near to buy one of their reissue models, RD50 112. Apart from vintage there are new Music Man amps out on market too. The new amps are much lighter than the older models.
    Have I found it yet? I said that but I didn’t knew it. Did I knew that I had found it yet? No, it wasn’t what I was looking for. Nevermind. Ok.

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    True replicas would be these, I guess

    Tube-Tone Amplifiers

    Or these, althoug he makes a jazz custom I believe he'll do right by specs

    Vintage Sound Amps

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    No reverb, but 35 watts, 1x12 and authentic Fender tone.

    Store - Austin Vintage Guitars

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    I retired after 39 years servicing electronic equipment CNC, computers, Audio, video and any other gismo that came into the shop. I have serviced ALL types of circuitry Point to Point, Printed circuit including multi layer, wire wrap. I would take a printed circuit board over any of the others.

    If anyone can hear any difference at all they are a better man than I. Electrons don't care what they travel through wire, or copper foil. They don't like bad solder joints.

    Throwing money away on a point to point conversion is just that. Do they have some knobs that go up to 11 to sell you.

    This is my opinion and is worth every penny you paid for it.

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    I’m quite certain that Michael Clark could do what you’re looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker View Post
    Who makes a true 35w blackface fender reverb amp clone in a 1x12 form factor or head? I've tried allen, fargen, morgan and several others which have "improved" upon the fender sound but TBH, none of them have an authentic fender sound. I have a fargen and morgan and love them both but yesterday, I stopped at guitar center and briefly played through a twin reissue and it just blew the morgan and fargen away in terms of pure, fender goodness. I don't want to deal with PC board amps so I won't buy a reissue fender but who is making a REAL fender amp clone? The ones that I know about are vintage sound, headstrong, victoria. Most of the others like carr, tone king, fargen, allen, heritage made "improvements" that take away from the fender sound and I really just like the fender sound.
    Blackie Pagano (Expert Guitar Amp and Hi-Fi Repair in New York City by Blackie Pagano) does some custom builds. You might try him. It won't be cheap, though. Otherwise, how about getting a 1x12 cabinet built for, say, a SF Vibrolux Reverb? [Or a 1x12 baffle for a VR, or squeezing a VR chassis into a DR cab, though I don't know if either of those is feasible].

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ View Post
    Try to find an old MusicMan HD amp in a store. Leo improved on those old blackfaces. I've had a couple that had been modded by Andy Fuchs (great donor chassis for his ODS mod). Older Music Man...
    Never liked them. I had them back in the late '70s. IMO, they don't nail any of the blackface fender tone. They sound harsh to me and the reverb is not sweet like fender.

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    Well Jack, you have traveled from Digital to Boutique and here you are pining for....the real thing!

    Ain't nothing like the real thing Baby!

    IMO, the reissue Fender Blackface amps (and I have owned a couple) do not sound like the real thing either. Those old components (transformers, caps etc.) combined with the old wood of those cabinets and the old speakers have a different sound than today's PCB reissues with their Italian made Jensen speakers and green wood ply cabinets.

    I fully agree that vintage Musicman and today's "improved" boutique amps do not nail it either.

    My advice: Find a great example of a vintage Blackface Pro. Have it serviced by a great amp tech and either live with the two 12's or get a head cabinet for it and match it with a great one 12 cabinet.

    Anything else you do will leave you on the road searching for that holy amp grail. Remember, ain't nothing like the real thing baby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBGuitar View Post
    I retired after 39 years servicing electronic equipment CNC, computers, Audio, video and any other gismo that came into the shop. I have serviced ALL types of circuitry Point to Point, Printed circuit including multi layer, wire wrap. I would take a printed circuit board over any of the others.

    If anyone can hear any difference at all they are a better man than I. Electrons don't care what they travel through wire, or copper foil. They don't like bad solder joints.

    Throwing money away on a point to point conversion is just that. Do they have some knobs that go up to 11 to sell you.

    This is my opinion and is worth every penny you paid for it.
    Forgive me for speaking for Jack but he stated in his OP that the current reissue sounded great, but he doesn’t want to be stuck with a $1400 amp that is prone to failures and problems but cannot be cost effectively repaired because of its cost cutting methods of manufacture.
    Ignorance is agony.



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    George Alessandro rips out the PCB and replaces it with a board with "period correct" discrete components and hard cloth-covered wires, keeping the factory pots and Schumacher transformers. GA wrote to me and said that the modern Schumachers are great and that boutique irons are not necessary.

    You could send George Alessandro a Vibrolux Reissue.

    Michael Clark makes great replica amps but expect to pay upwards of $2795 for it.

    Other than Tube Tone, I have read good things about Firebelly Amps. FireBelly Guitar Tube Amplifiers

    For my mates in Australia, Achilles Amps.

    Shoulda hung on to your Gries 35, Jack...

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    Victory V40 seems to get good reviews in online forums:
    Victory V40 Deluxe Review | Premier Guitar

    I don't know if Victory classifies as a boutique manufacturer at this point. I've never owned a boutique amp but I've heard in interviews people like Joe Bonamassa and Scott Henderson complain about boutique amps generally not sounding satisfactory. I'm sure there are exceptions. Boutique amps have high build quality but that doesn't mean they are designed well. At least some of them seem be be build by technically proficient dudes who like to build stuff in their garages but aren't musicians and don't have good musical ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    Victory V40 seems to get good reviews in online forums:
    Victory V40 Deluxe Review | Premier Guitar

    I don't know if Victory classifies as a boutique manufacturer at this point. I've never owned a boutique amp but I've heard in interviews people like Joe Bonamassa and Scott Henderson complain about boutique amps generally not sounding satisfactory. I'm sure there are exceptions. Boutique amps have high build quality but that doesn't mean they are designed well. At least some of them seems be be build by technically proficient dudes who like to build stuff in their garages but aren't musicians and don't have good musical ears.
    The victoria is 60lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker View Post
    The victoria is 60lbs.
    There is a head version that's 18lbs:
    Victory Amps | V40 | The Duchess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    There is a head version that's 18lbs:
    Victory Amps | V40 | The Duchess
    oops, sorry. I was looking at victoria, not victory.

    Looks like victory "improves" upon fender though. I think I should just get a dual showman reverb or find a super reverb that I can put into a head cab

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    Once you have gone down the path seeking something really great, it's hard to settle for less. Figure the OP is going to find it hard to get away from extra pounds and extra maintenance. Though in the end the result will no doubt be satisfying and I look forward to what the final choice might be. Not something that will address the OP's question, but I was willing to settle for less than great in favor or weight reduction. I ended up with a Roland Blues Cube Artist. A current rendition from a big company with lots of resources designing an amp that is supposed to respond as if it had tubes. There are a few annoying things.. the price.. their tone capsule costs extra and is necessary if you want more blackface than bassman tone.. but overall it's an impressive effort. For those looking for a 35 pound 80W amp that is at least reminiscent of your tube amp, it's worth trying out.
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    Let's try to keep on facts and figures.
    What is important for quality and type of sound in a tube amp ?
    - Transformers (that will make most of the weight of a good tube amp)
    - Tubes
    - Speakers
    - Cabinet
    and wiring display, to keep hum and noise as low as possible

    What is important for a gigging musician in an amp ?
    - Reliability and maintainability
    Hence avoid PCB mounted jacks, tube sockets and so on.

    Cloth covered wires ? BS !
    Vintage caps ? BS !
    VOS resistors ? BS !

    Vintage Fender schematics and lay-outs are available everywhere on the interweb.
    If you are handy and if you have time available, DIY !
    If not, go to an amp tech or a good electrical engineer to have him build you the exact amp you want

    As for myself, I started with a Tweed Champ clone that I built and that is now my practice amp.
    and I'm in the process of building a 5E8 clone for gigging (long time project as time is not available enough !)
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    I know this isn’t what you were asking for but Mark Baier at Victoria Amps knows what he’s talking about: A Bit Of Insight From Mark Baier, the Mind Behind Victoria Amplifier | Vintage Guitar(R) magazine

    I’ve got both the Victoriette (1x12”) and the Victorilux (2x12”) and can’t recommend them highly enough :-)

    Here’s a clip of a much better player than I ammaking some sweet sounds with the 1x12” Victoriette, you owe it to yourself to take a look at one...

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    Here in the UK, Rift Amps offer their PR35 model. It's a hand-wired, 35 watt, 1x12" Princeton Reverb. You can have it with blackface, brown face or tweed preamps.
    PR6, PR18, PR35 | Rift Amps | Brackley | Rift Amplification

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    Why not get a Twin, ditch the cab and get a head cabinet?
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    Gary

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    a dual showman reverb is a twin in a head cab. I'm looking at several dual showmans. Also, possibly a super reverb or vibrolux reverb. I just hate all the issues you need to address when you buy a 40-50 year old amp.

    I had a pro reverb that I put into a head and literally spent a year trying to debug it. I was getting intermittent cutting out. I replaced the filter caps and all other electrolytic caps and then tried to find the intermittent components using a tone generator and wooden chopsticks. Couldn't find it. Took it to two different techs. They couldn't find it. I eventually pulled all the components out and cleaned out the middle layer between the two wax coated fiber boards. There was a ton of loose solder between them. Apparently some solder pieces would move around during travel and intermittently be touching and shorting two other components. Once I rebuilt the whole board it was fine. BUT THAT WAS A FULL YEAR WORTH OF DEBUGGING!

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    a dual showman reverb is a twin in a head cab. I'm looking at several dual showmans. Also, possibly a super reverb or vibrolux reverb. I just hate all the issues you need to address when you buy a 40-50 year old amp.<br><br>I had a pro reverb that I put into a head and literally spent a year trying to debug it. I was getting intermittent cutting out. I replaced the filter caps and all other electrolytic caps and then tried to find the intermittent components using a tone generator and wooden chopsticks. Couldn't find it. Took it to two different techs. They couldn't find it. I eventually pulled all the components out and cleaned out the middle layer between the two wax coated fiber boards. There was a ton of loose solder between them. Apparently some solder pieces would move around during travel and intermittently be touching and shorting two other components. Once I rebuilt the whole board it was fine. BUT THAT WAS A FULL YEAR WORTH OF DEBUGGING!

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    They're a bit pricey, but Mojotone has twin reverb head cabs, and Ebay has them once in a while. I bought one years ago for just such a project, but a friend smashed his 2x12 twin cab and I gave him mine since I "lightened" up my twin with two 10's.

    I still have a twin head on the back burner but I have enough projects and here's a saved link...

    Blackface Twin Reverb(R) Style Guitar Amplifier Head Cabinet - Mojotone.com
    Regards,

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker View Post
    a dual showman reverb is a twin in a head cab. I'm looking at several dual showmans. Also, possibly a super reverb or vibrolux reverb. I just hate all the issues you need to address when you buy a 40-50 year old amp.<br><br>I had a pro reverb that I put into a head and literally spent a year trying to debug it. I was getting intermittent cutting out. I replaced the filter caps and all other electrolytic caps and then tried to find the intermittent components using a tone generator and wooden chopsticks. Couldn't find it. Took it to two different techs. They couldn't find it. I eventually pulled all the components out and cleaned out the middle layer between the two wax coated fiber boards. There was a ton of loose solder between them. Apparently some solder pieces would move around during travel and intermittently be touching and shorting two other components. Once I rebuilt the whole board it was fine. BUT THAT WAS A FULL YEAR WORTH OF DEBUGGING!
    Of all the amps I have owned (quite a few), the Dual Showman Reverb and its accompanying 2 x 15" JBL cabinet takes the absolute cake for pristine cleans and sparkle-icious Reverb. The logistical aspects are formidable, to be sure. But if some enterprising genius managed to build something that sounded as good at, say half the weight, I'd buy two.
    Best regards, k

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    Haven't tried it myself but I've heard that a Dual Showman Reverb head has enough room inside the stock cab to cut the baffle for a pair of 8"s and convert it into a combo. Sounds kinda cool!

    Jonathan

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    Haven't tried it myself but I've heard that a Dual Showman Reverb head has enough room inside the stock cab to cut the baffle for a pair of 8"s and convert it into a combo. Sounds kinda cool!

    Jonathan
    I did this with a bandmaster reverb head cab (if memory serves correctly). It was originally a super or pro reverb and I put a couple of celestion 8" speakers in it.

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    So Jack Z old Fenders while basically the same may sound quite different from each other due to tolerances of the components as well as speaker choice.
    Also due to the Vintage market Blackface cost nearly triple their lowly Silverface cousins.

    My advice would be to get an early Silverface without the master volume. And have it gone through and and make the necessary changes to the Blackface circuit you like. You'll have basically a brand new amp.

    Casey Goobey here in the Twin Cities used to work for Savage Amps,and is reasonable and an excellent amp tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker View Post
    I did this with a bandmaster reverb head cab (if memory serves correctly). It was originally a super or pro reverb and I put a couple of celestion 8" speakers in it.
    I'm curious, how did it work out?

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    Jack,

    I love Fender Dual Showman Reverb head amps. They sound terrific. They are very heavy amp heads, however. A work around is to find a Fender Showman amp (same amp sans reverb). I used to have a blackface Showman amp head. It sounded wonderful and it did the great Fender tone at bedroom to arena volumes. It was reasonably compact and not that heavy. Combine this head with a good 12" speaker cabinet and you have a super working amp. Pull two of the power tubes and you still have a 40-watt, clean Fender amp...and two spare power tubes.

    GT

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    Just to be a smart a$$: Fender never made a 1x12 35w AB763 (Blackface) amp, so technically it can´t be a clone ;-)

    A smart move would be to find a vintage Bandmaster Reverb head and build it into a 1x12 cab. The Bandmaster was hardly changed and stayed very true to the AB763 schematic.

    A Deluxe Reverb with 2x6L6 and bigger OT is a great amp as well imho, but since vinatge Deluxe Reverbs prices go sky high (at least overhere in Europe) it would be smarter to buy a boutique amp that stays true to the original Fender design and layout.

    Would you want a tube or solid state rectifier? (I suspect a solid state (diodes) rectifier would suit your playing style best.)

    I guess you just want to buy a new amp to your specs that stays true to the Blackface design. I get that: no hastle with old tubes, worn caps, CC-resitors hissing and going out of spec..... Boutique would be the way to go. Plenty of good suggestions for builders already done above. I might add Tube Amp Doctor in Germany: their kits stay very true to the original AB763 design and you can order them readily assembled. Even ready made they are cheaper than most boutique amps. But since they are in Germany shipping costs would probably make them too expensive for US customers. (And they don't do a 1x12 35 watt amp, their Super Reverb with a 1x15 would come closest.)
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    the bandmaster only puts about 400v on the plates of the 6L6 tubes and has a tiny OT so it's pretty low headroom. The fargens are based on that design. It's been a while since I've had a bandmaster reverb but my gut tells me I want something a little closer to the classic AB763 design. For example, a pro reverb that I can upgrade the OT with. And I really think the tube reverb is an essential part of the fender circuit design so that's why I definitely want a head with reverb.


    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay View Post
    Just to be a smart a$$: Fender never made a 1x12 35w AB763 (Blackface) amp, so technically it can´t be a clone ;-)

    A smart move would be to find a vintage Bandmaster Reverb head and build it into a 1x12 cab. The Bandmaster was hardly changed and stayed very true to the AB763 schematic.

    A Deluxe Reverb with 2x6L6 and bigger OT is a great amp as well imho, but since vinatge Deluxe Reverbs prices go sky high (at least overhere in Europe) it would be smarter to buy a boutique amp that stays true to the original Fender design and layout.

    Would you want a tube or solid state rectifier? (I suspect a solid state (diodes) rectifier would suit your playing style best.)

    I guess you just want to buy a new amp to your specs that stays true to the Blackface design. I get that: no hastle with old tubes, worn caps, CC-resitors hissing and going out of spec..... Boutique would be the way to go. Plenty of good suggestions for builders already done above. I might add Tube Amp Doctor in Germany: their kits stay very true to the original AB763 design and you can order them readily assembled. Even ready made they are cheaper than most boutique amps. But since they are in Germany shipping costs would probably make them too expensive for US customers. (And they don't do a 1x12 35 watt amp, their Super Reverb with a 1x15 would come closest.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker View Post
    the bandmaster only puts about 400v on the plates of the 6L6 tubes and has a tiny OT so it's pretty low headroom. The fargens are based on that design. It's been a while since I've had a bandmaster reverb but my gut tells me I want something a little closer to the classic AB763 design. For example, a pro reverb that I can upgrade the OT with. And I really think the tube reverb is an essential part of the fender circuit design so that's why I definitely want a head with reverb.
    Good point, Bandmaster Reverb in stock form would be low on clean headroom. Although they are easily modded with diode-rectifier, bigger OT and smaller step-down resistors for more voltage on the plates! Of course it becomes a project then but you would end up with the greatest amp that Fender never made!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay View Post
    Good point, Bandmaster Reverb in stock form would be low on clean headroom. Although they are easily modded with diode-rectifier, bigger OT and smaller step-down resistors for more voltage on the plates! Of course it becomes a project then but you would end up with the greatest amp that Fender never made!
    I think you'd need a different power transformer as well. I currently have a fargen blackbird 1x12 that sounds great but it needs a bit of work and doesn't quite sound like a fender. I'm thinking of sending it to ben to have him "AB-763" it. It's closer to a bandmaster reverb though in terms of voltages.

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    Jack,

    Just a thought. I remember playing a Rivera era Fender Concert Amp around 1984. I thought it was quite good and had both an excellent, clean Fender sound and great Fender reverb.

    12" speaker, 60 watts
    who makes a true 35w blackface fender clone?-fender-concert-jpg

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    Greentone~ Your recommendation for an 80's Concert II amp struck a nerve. I've owned two of them; still have one, and agree they make fantastic jazz/rock/RnB/etc. platforms. 60 watts of clean, lush reverb, plus a very rugged build, thanks to Paul Rivera.

    The 1x12 combo tends to be heavy...but it also comes in a head. (see example below). Maybe that would meet Mr. Zucker's criteria?


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    I had an early 80's Concert. It had very bright cleans and did not sound quite like a true Blackface to my ears (I never got a jazz tone that I loved with that amp). In addition, the high gain channel sounded terrible. These were Fender's attempt to compete with Mesa (and IMO, Fender failed in this attempt). I currently own a late 80's Mesa .50 Caliber. It is a 50 watt, one Twelve, 45 pound amp. To my ears, the clean channel is closer to a 60's Blackface tone than the early 80's Fender amps and the high gain channel is superb. And I get a terrific jazz tone with it. But it still does not get a true Blackface Fender tone (I have a 1964 Princeton and have AB'd them). The only way to do that, IMO, is to get a true Fender Blackface from the 60's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger View Post
    I had an early 80's Concert. It had very bright cleans and did not sound quite like a true Blackface to my ears (I never got a jazz tone that I loved with that amp). In addition, the high gain channel sounded terrible. These were Fender's attempt to compete with Mesa (and IMO, Fender failed in this attempt). I currently own a late 80's Mesa .50 Caliber. It is a 50 watt, one Twelve, 45 pound amp. To my ears, the clean channel is closer to a 60's Blackface tone than the early 80's Fender amps and the high gain channel is superb. And I get a terrific jazz tone with it. But it still does not get a true Blackface Fender tone (I have a 1964 Princeton and have AB'd them). The only way to do that, IMO, is to get a true Fender Blackface from the 60's.
    Have you tried the mesa fillmore? It's supposedly based more on the BF fender sound. the clips I've heard seem a little bright as if the bright cap is hard-wired on. Unfortunately, the local guitar center seems to have gotten rid of almost everything over $500 so they don't have it for me to try.

    by the way, fargen says he can blackface my blackbird for about $200

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker View Post
    Have you tried the mesa fillmore? It's supposedly based more on the BF fender sound. the clips I've heard seem a little bright as if the bright cap is hard-wired on. Unfortunately, the local guitar center seems to have gotten rid of almost everything over $500 so they don't have it for me to try.

    by the way, fargen says he can blackface my blackbird for about $200
    I have not tried the Fillmore, but would love to. Of the many new Mesa designs, it looks like something a jazz guitarist (especially one who sometimes slips into a fusion mode) would bond with. Mesa still makes amps for working pros, unlike Fender whose amps are now made primarily for hobbyists.

    A bass player that I sometimes work with is a good friend of Randall Smith and used to work for him. I'm told that Randall is a jazz guitarist himself. How ironic that he has made his fortune selling amps to heavy metal guys!

    $200 is not a crazy investment to see if you can dial your Blackbird in to your taste. If you go that route, let us know how it turns out.

    I would still go for the real thing. They can be made reliable by a good tech and will deliver a tone that will end your quest.
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    Here is a link to the Mesa Fillmore:

    Access to this page has been denied.

    Like all Mesa amps, it will not be P2P (though Mesa makes their own high quality circuit boards) and will not be an exact Blackface tone (though my Mesa's from the late 80's and early 90's came close).

    It may be too bright for a good jazz tone, most modern tube amps (including the fender reissues) are. The rock/blues/Country guys like a brighter tone and there are a lot more of them than there are us, so the marketplace responds to them.

    I would sure like to try one though.....
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    well, the fargen I was going to send back stopped working yesterday so I'm just going to send it back to guitar center. I have a more recent one which is a better build but I don't feel like messing with an amp that's not reliable so I'm still looking. I just hate to shell out $2500 for a louiselectric or clark!

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    I know this isn’t what you were asking for but Mark Baier at Victoria Amps knows what he’s talking about: A Bit Of Insight From Mark Baier, the Mind Behind Victoria Amplifier | Vintage Guitar(R) magazine

    I’ve got both the Victoriette (1x12”) and the Victorilux (2x12”) and can’t recommend them highly enough :-)

    Here’s a clip of a much better player than I ammaking some sweet sounds with the 1x12” Victoriette, you owe it to yourself to take a look at one...
    isn't that a 20w 6v6 amp?

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    I think you know what the high quality true clone options are (e.g. Clark, Louis Electric, buy a Vintage Silverface Vibrolux Reverb for less and have someone George Alessandro work on it). All 3 are reputable builders with decades of experience with their amps in the field. As you know, Vintage BF Vibrolux Reverbs in good shape cost crazy $. All of these options will likely cost you in the $2,500-$3,000 range at the end of the day. I think the other BF AB763 makers all put their own spin on their amps which is not what you are looking for.

    2 x 10” BF Combos sound GREAT but weigh 45-50 lb. depending on the speakers used. I honestly can’t imagine hauling one of these around to a club (perhaps for recording). The search for the last 5% of goodness (for that matter for EVERYTHING, not just amps) always will always disproportionately cost you in money, may come with reliability and or convenience baggage. That 200w Quilter Head and a cabinet that you liked may be the practical (e.g. better is many times the enemy of good enough) gigging solution for you.

    Good Luck


    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker View Post
    well, the fargen I was going to send back stopped working yesterday so I'm just going to send it back to guitar center. I have a more recent one which is a better build but I don't feel like messing with an amp that's not reliable so I'm still looking. I just hate to shell out $2500 for a louiselectric or clark!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iim7V7IM7 View Post
    I think you know what the high quality true clone options are (e.g. Clark, Louis Electric, buy a Vintage Silverface Vibrolux Reverb for less and have someone George Alessandro work on it). All 3 are reputable builders with decades of experience with their amps in the field. As you know, Vintage BF Vibrolux Reverbs in good shape cost crazy $. All of these options will likely cost you in the $2,500-$3,000 range at the end of the day. I think the other BF AB763 makers all put their own spin on their amps which is not what you are looking for.

    2 x 10” BF Combos sound GREAT but weigh 45-50 lb. depending on the speakers used. I honestly can’t imagine hauling one of these around to a club (perhaps for recording). The search for the last 5% of goodness (for that matter for EVERYTHING, not just amps) always will always disproportionately cost you in money, may come with reliability and or convenience baggage. That 200w Quilter Head and a cabinet that you liked may be the practical (e.g. better is many times the enemy of good enough) gigging solution for you.

    Good Luck
    The problem is that many of the clones (yes even the ones built by the big name guys) are poorly constructed. One of them I looked at recently which was having issues I opened up and discovered that instead of running a ground bus wire, they just pushed the tab of the pot back so it was touching the chassis and expect that that along with the mount would be enough to ground. In this case, oxidation was causing that to be intermittent. That seems like a hobbiest mistake but this was from a boutique builder. Another one I owned previously and sent back to the maker several times ended up having an issue where the B+ line going to the filter caps was never soldered. I finally discovered it myself after 2 trips back to the builder. It was touching the positive terminal but not soldered.

    Anyway, I think i'm talking myself into getting an original but I just hate the pain of getting it fixed. And sending to allesandro is no guarantee. I realize he's good but he's not going to re-solder every connection

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    You understand the dilemma perfectly. Big $ going all routes and no guarantee of happiness....Like walking into a voting booth, hold your nose and pull the switch on the candidate that stinks the least...

    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker View Post
    The problem is that many of the clones (yes even the ones built by the big name guys) are poorly constructed. One of them I looked at recently which was having issues I opened up and discovered that instead of running a ground bus wire, they just pushed the tab of the pot back so it was touching the chassis and expect that that along with the mount would be enough to ground. In this case, oxidation was causing that to be intermittent. That seems like a hobbiest mistake but this was from a boutique builder. Another one I owned previously and sent back to the maker several times ended up having an issue where the B+ line going to the filter caps was never soldered. I finally discovered it myself after 2 trips back to the builder. It was touching the positive terminal but not soldered.

    Anyway, I think i'm talking myself into getting an original but I just hate the pain of getting it fixed. And sending to allesandro is no guarantee. I realize he's good but he's not going to re-solder every connection
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    Bob


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    it's funny because 15-20 years ago I really enjoyed restoring old fenders. That was the only way to guarantee it was done right because I wasn't battling customer expectations and trying to make a profit from my repair work. But now, I just don't have the time or interest to suck in solder fumes for months