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    Hi all,

    I was fortunate to come across a Blue Chip TAD50 a little while ago. I've been playing with it lately and really enjoy it, but I wanted to do some sound comparisons with the pick that I normally use (Dunlop 205) and a regular old plastic tortilla chip. The comparison is for myself as much as it is anyone else who may be interested in trying a Blue Chip.

    Keep in mind as you're listening that the difference in tone is very subtle and I recommend that you use headphones. It'll be more obvious in some playing samples than others. Also keep in mind that a lot of the benefit that comes with playing with a Blue Chip or other handmade pick is the feel you're getting from it. In general, it seems like the Blue Chip slides off the strings nicely and doesn't move around in my hand as much as other picks do.



    My final thoughts? It's nice. I'm not sure I have the money to be going through these as often as I lose other picks, but I've enjoyed keeping it on my desk and playing with it from time to time in my studio. It feels nice on the strings and I think if it brings you joy to play with, it's worth the money... just don't lose it

    Hope someone finds my experience helpful.
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    Our Jewish friends have a word for someone who pays $35 for a flat pick. The word is "Schmuck".

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    And this forum has plenty of them obviously...
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    A friend of mine, entirely & thoroughly Jewish, gave me a Blue Chip Pick.

    I love the thing.

    I misplaced it, became alarmed, but recovered it.

    Called my friend and told him I was going to buy a spare (I lose stuff) and did he want me to get any new Blue Chips for him?
    He told me "no" 'cause he's found something he likes better for mandolin, which he plays almost exclusively now.
    He sent me his 'other' Blue Chip instead. We're old men now, and we necessarily spend $ more carefully these days.

    Guess I am so lucky that my Jewish friends are kinder & more generous than some others here.

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    I like the Blue Chip a tiny bit more on the archtop, the Dunlop on the others.

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    I keep telling you guys, the way to accumulate Blue Chip picks economically is to put them on your Hanukkah or XMas wish list every year. For some reason, people seem to love giving these things as gifts! I've got 10 Blue chip picks - a lifetime supply, really - but I only bought 3 of them myself!
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    I'm glad I tried a Blue Chip and thought it was nothing special. I lose picks waaay to easily.
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    I’ve tried many guitar picks over the years and settled on two - ProPlec teardrop for archtops and Blue Chip Jazz 60 for solids and semi hollows. For me the BC cost is worth it...

    From my personal perspective, I would have a much more difficult time justifying the purchase of a $10,000 archtop.

    But to each his/her own

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredC View Post
    Our Jewish friends have a word for someone who pays $35 for a flat pick. The word is "Schmuck".

    Just because something is expensive -- or not, for that matter -- does not equate to it being good or bad, nor does it mean the buyer is an idiot. There are people here who play and enjoy $300 Squire guitars, and some who have $12K Marchione's. If you think one person is better or worse based on such a purchase, then maybe your label should be directed inward.

    If you've tried and not liked the Blue Chip pick, then fine. Unnecessary judgements are just that.

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    The cost of a Blue Chip pick isn't much more than the cost of a set of TI strings, and people think nothing of buying those monthly, or at least fairly often. Like Tom, I have some Blue Chips that I received as gifts, and a couple that I bought. I haven't lost one yet. I keep them in a chip pouch in my pocket, and I keep track of them. I like them. Others are free to buy whatever picks, strings, guitars, pedals, amps, or whatever else, that they like. I could call someone a schmuck for overpaying for a Gibson, but I won't. It's their money.

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    I have a BC Jazz 80. I got the thick one because, I figured I can sand it thinner if I want to (way easier than going the other way ).
    I didn't like it's bevel, it was too bright. I put a rounder bevel and re-polished it. It's OK. To me it's like pro-plecks but a little brighter. I prefer pro-plecs more for the most part. If I could try a bunch BC picks in different shapes and thicknesses, I'm sure I could find one I like just as much as pro-plecs or more. But for 35 a piece, that's not gonna happen.

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    The smoothness of BC can be achieved with any pick with some elbow grease. In the past I polished Dunlop jazztone picks with extra fine wet sandpaper and car polish compound to the level of smoothness of BC picks (even smoother). I don't like to tone the rough surface of jazztones impart on the guitar.

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    I didn't really detect much of a difference sound wise... Perhaps a slightly smoother onset.

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    I haven't tried a BC pick. May someday, who knows? But the guy making this video seems like a really nice guy and a good player. I appreciate him taking the time to give this demonstration.
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    Oh here's a comparison!

    $35 dollars... more than
    my first acoustic guitar,
    my first electric guitar,
    my first guitar amplifier.
    "Bent my ear to hear the tune and closed my eyes to see."

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    I mean, my BC was $50--so kill me

    You can play with cheaper picks, and get a great sound--definitely. Then again, you can play with cheaper guitars and get a great sound--yet we don't criticize the countless posts about L5's on JGF. A good player can get a better sound out of--dare I say, an Asian guitar--than a not great player with a top of the line Bennedetto (ugh, I still want to play a Bennedetto)

    I love playing with my BC Jazz 80. It feels great on the strings, it sound terrific acoustically, and it articulates better than what I tried before (including stone, don't get fooled into buying a stone pick--no dynamic articulation)

    So I totally get wanting to buy cheap to get a great sound. But let's not say that and turn around and ogle at a Gibson, or a Guild, or a Benne, or whatever. I would own those guitars as well (especially an Artist Award), but I'd play them with my BC Jazz 80.

    So kill me.

    And for the record, I hate the sound of TI's--even the Bebops. Tried them all, they all sounded really dead to my ears. Why would I shell out that much money for strings that sound dead? See how that sounds? So I'm fine with shelling out $50 for a pick I've had for two years and it still sounds just as good as the day it arrived in the mail.

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    I haven't purchased these picks for the primary reason that I lose picks to frequently. My favorite is the 3.0 MM Dunlop Primetone. I can afford to misplace those within reason. That replaced my pick of choice which for years was the Dunlop dark purple small stubby which in turn replaced my small Fender Heavy pick. I took lessons from Bob Conti in the 70's and he used a ridiculously thin blue nylon pick. So Horses For Courses. Now that I don't use the Stubby I find them all over the house. IMO front loading washers are superior to top loaders in recovering picks.

    Also, I don't now why some members on this forum resort to denigrating a fellow forum member who posted about his gear observations but then I remembered I had the individual previously on ignore. So back to the dust bin.

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    You might be surprised at how the possibility of losing $35 can focus the mind. I've lost a lot of picks over the years, but the closest I've come to losing one of my Blue Chips is when I put one in the wrong pocket. If the pick only cost a dime, I didn't give it much thought. Up the ante, and the thought increases.

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    McJazzer is a great player, I enjoy his videos, and he sounds like a cool guy from the few correspondences I've had with him.

    Notice how he just made observations about the pick. He didn't say anything about people spending $35 on a pick. He just said it wouldn't make sense to buy it again himself, as he loses picks often. No problem.

    But the amount of times I've seen people say negative things about BlueChips on the internet because they are more expensive--it's getting old. Then calling out people who actually like the BC's, why? It's asinine. My mother is legit Israeli by the way. I have something to say in Hebrew, but I don't want to offend anyone who speaks Hebrew.

    Sorry if I, in any way, sullied your thread McJazzer.

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    There's no such thing as "the best pick" or "best strings" or even the "best guitar" that are true in general.

    That said, I'm stuck with Blue Chip picks because they really sound better (perhaps nominally to others, but noticeably to me ), and feel massively better, at least on the guitars I play most often.

    I don't want to like it better, I really don't.

    But it's meant that I've had to fundamentally change my relationship to picks as objects - i.e. don't loose them.
    Now instead of being quite as cavalier as I had been, I have a little clear, plastic hinged box (it's approximately 2"x3"x1/2"), that keeps 3-4 blue chip TD40's, a couple Dunlop primetone 1mm sculpted as emergency backups, a set of ear plugs, and a Tile - so that I can find that damn thing if I misplace it.

    I used to use little plastic baggies, but those would break after a couple weeks. I tried opaque boxes, but I could never tell if I'd remembered to put the picks back without opening it.

    But I also used to loose the damn pouch, and have to run around looking for it, so putting a tile in there really helped with that. And then I also used to have my earplugs on my keychain, which meant the valet guy had my earplugs when I needed them most, half the time!

    Would it be easier to use some fungible Fender heavies or a Dunlop tortex, sure. Do I notice a difference? Yes. Do end up performing better because I feel comfortable? Definitely.

    Does it work for everybody? No. Are you a schmuck for using one? No, assuming you actually play, and don't just merely horde gear.
    I'd like to think I'd fall into that non-schmuck category of someone who actually plays, since I've racked up 60k air miles playing guitar just last year, but I'll let you all judge that.
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    Yup i really dig my blue chips, I use a Jazz 40 and 50..I dont loose my pics like some (knock on wood).

    also, i know its tough, but i have never bought a Blue Chip pick new, always USED! save a couple bucks..

    Ive gotten a couple from the Facebook Blue chip page, posting on there. Now i want one for Mandolin.

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    Although I love my BC Jazz 80, those wooden pick boxes... not worth it. Problem is, the lid for the small box is a pain in the neck to open--not the best design.

    I think I would have done the leather pouch, but I would probably lose that faster than a box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredC View Post
    Our Jewish friends have a word for someone who pays $35 for a flat pick. The word is "Schmuck".
    Totally uncalled for.
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    I find the Wegen Gypsy 3.5 is a great pick for a lot less than a BC.

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    From what I remember, Howard Alden uses a Wegen--at least he did when he was living in NYC.

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    Thanks everyone for the defense and the great discussion. I've come to expect responses like that on this forum but it's still annoying.

    I do enjoy the pick! But for that kind of money I think it'll stay on my desk for home use and hopefully my cat doesn't eat it

    After hearing about the Dunlop Primetones I'm really interested in trying one. I went on their site and found the model I thought would work best (smooth, mini triangle) but the shipping is more than the picks are! Maybe I can find it from another dealer with reasonable shipping costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McJazzer View Post

    After hearing about the Dunlop Primetones I'm really interested in trying one. I went on their site and found the model I thought would work best (smooth, mini triangle) but the shipping is more than the picks are! Maybe I can find it from another dealer with reasonable shipping costs.
    Super clicky. Hated 'em.

    The only picks I've found that are quiet and smooth like the blue chips are the Pro Plecs, and to a lesser extent but still good, the Golden Gates.

    I've also tried the "Dawg" mandolin pick, which sounds great but was too big for me to be comfortable with.

    But the Pro Plec is the reason I wasn't impressed with the Blue Chip I tried--to me it was the same sound at 35 times the price.
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    I like the Prime Tones, with respect to free delivery - Amazon carries them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McJazzer View Post
    Thanks everyone for the defense and the great discussion. I've come to expect responses like that on this forum but it's still annoying.

    I do enjoy the pick! But for that kind of money I think it'll stay on my desk for home use and hopefully my cat doesn't eat it

    After hearing about the Dunlop Primetones I'm really interested in trying one. I went on their site and found the model I thought would work best (smooth, mini triangle) but the shipping is more than the picks are! Maybe I can find it from another dealer with reasonable shipping costs.
    I dig the Primetones! I get the Jazz III XL and they are phenomenal. Here's a Reverb shop that has three-packs with cheap shipping.

    Dunlop 520P1.4 Primetone Jazz III XL Guitar Picks - 3pk Grip | Reverb

    Though those might not be the ones you were looking at, I've found that you can grab Primetones on Reverb from shops with pretty reasonable shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredC View Post
    Our Jewish friends have a word for someone who pays $35 for a flat pick. The word is "Schmuck".
    hey wait im Jewish... am i still a Schmuck, i bought a used one for $20? and then another for $15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzgtrl4 View Post
    hey wait im Jewish... am i still a Schmuck, i bought a used one for $20? and then another for $15.
    I thought carefully about adding my 2c to this thread, but here goes...

    I'm also Jewish. I've written an honours thesis and PhD thesis that both explored aspects of racialism, partly in response to some of my own experiences growing up. I think the notion of anyone on this forum being a schmuck for spending money on gear that appeals to them is a little silly to say the least. Glass houses.
    I doubt one could argue that a $10,000, $5,000, or even $1,000 guitar should be regarded as a necessity. A $35 pick is hardly perverse relative to the other equipment discussed everyday on these boards.

    And as for schmuck. It has more than one meaning. We're all schmucks sometimes...
    Jared

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    The smoothness of BC can be achieved with any pick with some elbow grease. In the past I polished Dunlop jazztone picks with extra fine wet sandpaper and car polish compound to the level of smoothness of BC picks (even smoother). I don't like to tone the rough surface of jazztones impart on the guitar.
    The best material I've found to polish picks is carpet, the shorter the nap the better. I just make firm strokes against the carpet several times, fairly fast, and that polishes most picks very quickly. It's quicker and easier for me than any type of sandpaper, or anything else. Just don't overdo it, because it's possible to partially melt some picks if you're very vigorous, and get some melted line on the edge of the pick. I just scrape it off and repolish with less vigor. I haven't needed to use anything on my Blue Chip picks, they still look like new after a couple of years of playing.

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    I'm still yet to try a Blue Chip, I have a couple friends who use them and really like them.
    My pick of choice is the 3.5mm Wegen, I like the way it glides off the strings making playing very fast passages effortless.

    The other pick I really like is the D'Andrea Pro Plec. Sometimes the Wegen can be a bit too dark sounding, using the Pro Plec I can get a slightly brighter sound.

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    a friend came over today and had one.
    I liked the feel of the material but it was huge, way too big for me to handle and I have big hands [though that may not have anything to do w/ anything]
    I think it was a model 60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedalus View Post
    I thought carefully about adding my 2c to this thread, but here goes...

    I'm also Jewish. I've written an honours thesis and PhD thesis that both explored aspects of racialism, partly in response to some of my own experiences growing up. I think the notion of anyone on this forum being a schmuck for spending money on gear that appeals to them is a little silly to say the least. Glass houses.
    I doubt one could argue that a $10,000, $5,000, or even $1,000 guitar should be regarded as a necessity. A $35 pick is hardly perverse relative to the other equipment discussed everyday on these boards.

    And as for schmuck. It has more than one meaning. We're all schmucks sometimes...

    I wanted to elaborate on my post lest anyone was offended. I wasn't for a moment suggesting that anyone in this thread was being racially offensive. Rather, I was attempting to illustrate how terms such as schmuck are loaded with a complex of associations, and depending on context, can be construed in myriad ways--such as, in this case, the notion of Jews and their aversion to spending money (though I realise it wasn't meant in this way). Stereotypes of this nature can literally be traced back several centuries. And when we encounter these stereotypes today, it's worth noting that they've been thrust upon people by others.

    I'm guessing we'd be hard-pressed to find a single member here who hasn't experienced something of the like. Anyway, I apologise for the hijack, I simply wanted to explain myself better. For the record, I've got my eye on a couple of BlueChip picks, and I'd have to pay shipping to NZ...
    Jared