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    Has anyone else tried this miniscule bass amp with jazz guitar? I've just got one and absolutely love it. A steal at just over £100 it fits into a coat pocket. It sounds really clean and has bags of power. I'm matching it up with my Orange PPC 108 speaker, which I got secondhand, I sold on the 'voice of the world' driver on eBay and dropped in a Celestion tf0818, which is a great little driver for guitar. This all makes for a ridiculously portable, well built and very powerful setup, coming in at well under £200. And of course the amp head can be used with bigger cabinets as required.

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    It lacks reverb, (logically as it is a bass amp) and this will cause you to include a reverb pedal in your setup, plus, you will hardly find a guitar cabinet which handle such power, therefore reducing the choice of speaker...

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    I don't often use reverb, it's certainly not essential. There are lots of guitar cabinets which can handle the power, especially if it's wired for 16 ohms. The 200 watt rating is for 4 ohms. I can't remember ever running an amp with the volume fully open. I don't plan on buying one, because I already have a GK MB200, but I would consider it if I needed a small head. The MB200 is also rated at 200 watts at 4 ohms, and I use it with a RE Stealth 10 without issues, and even in other lower capacity cabinets. Just don't dime it and it will be fine.

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    Thanks for posting. I've never seen such a low price on a high powered clean amp. $150 for a pocket sized amp is beyond reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klatu View Post
    Thanks for posting. I've never seen such a low price on a high powered clean amp. $150 for a pocket sized amp is beyond reasonable.
    I was thinking you could mount it on a pedalboard with a preamp and reverb.
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    I worked with a bass player a few weeks ago who showed up with Trace Elliot's similar offering. Sounded great, but about double the cost.

    TC Electronic bam 200 head for jazz guitar-trace_elf_backpocket-jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Sound View Post
    I worked with a bass player a few weeks ago who showed up with Trace Elliot's similar offering. Sounded great, but about double the cost.
    Nice bass player indeed !
    Make a jazz noise here

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    Thanks KJ , that's really good to know .....

    i'm also hoping to build a super light setup

    I've been trying to decide between this ...or a TC BH250 ...
    ...which is twice the weight (4lbs still quite light)
    but has Toneprint fx built in
    which would save me having to take pedals sometimes
    (i don't need reverb )
    but octave , vibrato or a bit of dirt would be useful to be
    which the BH250 has

    A question KJ
    the bam200 has a gain and a master volume
    is there a useful sound to be had running the gain up and the master vol down to taste ?

    that would help me decide
    thanks in advance ....

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    I just blinked ....

    Ordered a Bam200 from Thomann

    I'll let you know how it works out ....

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    If the Bam200 tonally beats the Elf (which is inferior to MB200 IMHO), it's a winner. All three are in the same 2 lbs weight category despite differences in physical dimensions. No reverb, yes, but no external power unit either. That's an equal nuisance in many other micro-amps. Will order a sample around June 5 after travels, to evaluate compatibility with the TOOB offering. First reviews probably published long before that. Looking forward to Pingu's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitterbug View Post
    If the Bam200 tonally beats the Elf (which is inferior to MB200 IMHO), it's a winner. All three are in the same 2 lbs weight category despite differences in physical dimensions. No reverb, yes, but no external power unit either. That's an equal nuisance in many other micro-amps. Will order a sample around June 5 after travels, to evaluate compatibility with the TOOB offering. First reviews probably published long before that. Looking forward to Pingu's.
    I don't have a MB200 to cp the Bam200 to
    (or an Elf for that matter)

    to to be honest it was the low price which led me to the Bam ....
    (i have played through a GK MB150s combo a few times and it was a excellent)

    If I already had an MB200 I would be using that I'm sure ....

    my driving factors are price and extreme low weight
    hopefully amp wise I'll be sorted now with the Bam200

    later dudes

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    Well I have the other two (plus a host of other micro-amps), and a pair of worn-out ears. Maybe a video camera, too. So: later, dudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 339 in june View Post
    Nice bass player indeed !
    Is that and ELF in your pocket, or...
    Build bridges, not walls.

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    I today had the opportunity to run the BAM200 through a TOOB 12J and 12R at a local music store. The guitar was an Epi Dot. Very good first impression! While no A/B comparison was possible, the tone was warm, full and pleasant. I'd say less "brown" than Elf and less dry than MB200. My bassist friend was equally impressed with the performance through a bass cab. No wonder Thomann is out of stock already.

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    thanks for for the report Gitterbug ,
    "warm full and pleasant" sounds just right for what I want ...

    Thomann says mine is on the way ....
    Great .... I love light gear !!

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    I'm really interested in acquiring one of these, however I worry about the usability of the eq- what are the respective bands used ,does anyone know? Beyond that I'd love to hear it in front of one of those polytone preamp pedals.

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    my Bam200 turned up today

    gonna have a proper play with it tonight
    through a couple different small speakers
    try the eq out etc etc
    at home. levels
    will get back to you ...
    i wont get a chance to try it with a band
    for a couple of weeks .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedism View Post
    I'm really interested in acquiring one of these, however I worry about the usability of the eq- what are the respective bands used ,does anyone know? Beyond that I'd love to hear it in front of one of those polytone preamp pedals.
    Bass ±15 dB @ 80 Hz,
    shelving/ Middle 400 Hz @ Gain: ±15 dB
    Treble ±15 dB @ 4.2 kHz, shelving

    might work ok
    ill have a play later

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    TC Electronic bam 200 head for jazz guitar-6e901615-7208-4c71-8efc-a521255d840d-jpgTC Electronic bam 200 head for jazz guitar-df386b42-7fa4-468c-b776-44a773f6b2c5-jpg

    ok so here's my new baby Bam
    with a JBL control 1 speaker

    sounds good (on a home test only so far)
    its all there
    it will deffo be fine for rehearsals and small gigs etc
    (as you see this whole rig weighs 7lbs11oz !! i LOVE that ...)

    we’ll see how it goes with a band tho
    probably need a ballsier speaker to hang with a drummer ....

    the eq is cool , smooth controls , feel well built

    the amp gets warm in use , but not hot
    it has a fan which comes on after a bit
    But it is VERY quiet , not an issue

    the gain up with master down dirto thing doesn’t really work well
    you’d need a pedal for dirto sounds

    So far so good , I'm VERY pleased

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    Now to just find some compatible speaker options. I notice the JBL you're using is rated for 150w at 4ohms, but I was looking to drive a single 8 or a 10" driver- However I'm having trouble finding anything at 4ohms. I'd love a Beta 8 or 10a, but they're both rated at an, so unless I'm doubling up that's a no go.

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    You can certainly use 8 ohm speakers without any problems, other than a slightly lower output volume. The only reason they rate an amp at 4 ohms is to get a bigger number and make customers think the amp is more powerful. If you go to full open on the volulme control, you might get 1 dB less volume with an 8 ohm speaker, that's the only difference.

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    looks great! Especially for the price it costs half as much as the dv mark micro jazz. I'm waiting for some video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    Bass ±15 dB @ 80 Hz,
    shelving/ Middle 400 Hz @ Gain: ±15 dB
    Treble ±15 dB @ 4.2 kHz, shelving

    might work ok
    ill have a play later
    Is the bass knob in any of the "guitar range", or do you set it to zero and leave it there? (Low E is 82 Hz)
    Build bridges, not walls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    Is the bass knob in any of the "guitar range", or do you set it to zero and leave it there? (Low E is 82 Hz)
    I had it at about 2 o clock with the JBL (5.5" speaker)
    it will go much warmer if you need it to
    its got some thump on the front of the notes

    Sorry if I didn't understand , did that answer your Qu ?

    also tried it with an 8 ohm Ariston 6" speaker and it went just as loud
    so I think 8ohm eminence Beta 8 or 10 will be just fine

    Note it is just a clean loud jazz sound I'm after ( and I got)
    no rock , fusion or crunch type sounds here

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    Lovely. I'm thinking I'll sort out a cab solution properly then pull the trigger on this, it seems like a such a tight little rig to have. I reckon i'll want to chuck my empress paraEQ on the front, either that or I've been following the polytone in a pedal thread too and that might be a good choice of preamp to color it/something similar.

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    Any suggestions for a super light box for an 8" speaker ?
    (I've got a Beta8 I could use)

    the orange
    PPC108 1 x 8″ Closed Back Speaker Cabinet – Orange Amps
    Looks good ....but too heavy at jut under 9lbs
    (yes I'm obsessed with weight....)

    maybe I should make a speaker box out of pine ....
    any thoughts ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    I had it at about 2 o clock with the JBL (5.5" speaker)
    it will go much warmer if you need it to
    its got some thump on the front of the notes

    Sorry if I didn't understand , did that answer your Qu ?
    Yes, thanks! My question was just the standard "how useful is the EQ on a bass amp when you plug in a guitar?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedism View Post
    Lovely. I'm thinking I'll sort out a cab solution properly then pull the trigger on this, it seems like a such a tight little rig to have. I reckon i'll want to chuck my empress paraEQ on the front, either that or I've been following the polytone in a pedal thread too and that might be a good choice of preamp to color it/something similar.
    Which is smaller, the Bam200 or the Empress pedal?
    Build bridges, not walls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    Any suggestions for a super light box for an 8" speaker ?
    (I've got a Beta8 I could use)

    the orange
    PPC108 1 x 8? Closed Back Speaker Cabinet – Orange Amps
    Looks good ....but too heavy at jut under 9lbs
    (yes I'm obsessed with weight....)

    maybe I should make a speaker box out of pine ....
    any thoughts ?
    Randall RG8 cab, Zzounds and a couple of other places sell them for $69. I have two of these cabs and replaced the speaker in one with Dayton Audio PA200-8 8" Pro Woofer Speaker. Works great for bass or guitar/six string or acoustic/electric. I'm using one of those dreaded "Behringer" Ultrabass 3000 heads, not tiny but light weight, good features, sounds good to me and has a two year Sweetwater warranty if it breaks. cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    Which is smaller, the Bam200 or the Empress pedal?
    I'll have to see if about that when I have a bam in hand. Could very well be the same size though I assume the bam will be a bit less tall and wider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    Any suggestions for a super light box for an 8" speaker ?
    (I've got a Beta8 I could use)

    the orange
    PPC108 1 x 8? Closed Back Speaker Cabinet – Orange Amps
    Looks good ....but too heavy at jut under 9lbs
    (yes I'm obsessed with weight....)

    maybe I should make a speaker box out of pine ....
    any thoughts ?
    Nada, I'm on the same quest myself. There's little to nothing aftermarket that suits me within a reasonable cost so I'm thinking I might either do it with the limited tools I have or perhaps just find some plans that fit the bill and hand it off to a cabinet maker. Aftermarket empty cabs from anyone reputable are too showy and pricey generally, imo.

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    The problem that I had with bass Amps it s the bass knob, very heavy bottom end
    I had a rumble 15 and that I finally sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedism View Post
    Nada, I'm on the same quest myself. There's little to nothing aftermarket that suits me within a reasonable cost so I'm thinking I might either do it with the limited tools I have or perhaps just find some plans that fit the bill and hand it off to a cabinet maker. Aftermarket empty cabs from anyone reputable are too showy and pricey generally, imo.
    what do you reckon to making it out of pine ?
    ive heard it can sound excellent and be a bit
    lighter than plywood ......
    i don't know if that's true
    any cabinet makers here ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnesto View Post
    The problem that I had with bass Amps it s the bass knob, very heavy bottom end
    I had a rumble 15 and that I finally sold.
    it just taste ... I respect yours totally

    I like playing through small bass amps generally
    GK , Laney , Roland etc

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    Plywood is made of various wood species, but with the adhesive and often heavier species, plywood is almost always heavier than pine. Weight is not the only criterion for using a material, but it is one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    it just taste ... I respect yours totally

    I like playing through small bass amps generally
    GK , Laney , Roland etc
    It is difficult for me to set the eq correctly so that the bass do not saturate and generate feedback, at least that happened to me with the rumble.
    I hace a Laney vc 15 and I m very satisfied , but the portability and the price of the Tc it s very tempting

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    Does it have aux in? I can't see on in the pictures.

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    So I did some maths ...

    i don't believe I'm gonna lose much weight by building a speaker
    So now I'm leaning towards one of these ....

    BC108

    same sorta weight as the little Orange cab
    but deeper and with a port on the back
    also 2x jack inputs ....
    and put in a Beta 8 I already own ....

    Should get as loud/clean as I'll need with a drummer
    (jazz not rock / fusion)
    and weigh in at about 10-11 lbs total , total cost approx £260 !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    Does it have aux in? I can't see on in the pictures.
    no

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    So I did some maths ...

    i don't believe I'm gonna lose much weight by building a speaker
    So now I'm leaning towards one of these ....

    BC108

    same sorta weight as the little Orange cab
    but deeper and with a port on the back
    also 2x jack inputs ....
    and put in a Beta 8 I already own ....

    Should get as loud/clean as I'll need with a drummer
    (jazz not rock / fusion)
    and weigh in at about 10-11 lbs total , total cost approx £260 !
    Be careful it is "mounted from the front" may make it more work than you want to swap in the Beta 8.
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    Try a TOOB

    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    So I did some maths ...

    i don't believe I'm gonna lose much weight by building a speaker
    So now I'm leaning towards one of these ....

    BC108

    same sorta weight as the little Orange cab
    but deeper and with a port on the back
    also 2x jack inputs ....
    and put in a Beta 8 I already own ....

    Should get as loud/clean as I'll need with a drummer
    (jazz not rock / fusion)
    and weigh in at about 10-11 lbs total , total cost approx £260 !

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    Quote Originally Posted by medblues View Post
    Be careful it is "mounted from the front" may make it more work than you want to swap in the Beta 8.
    i think I’ll be ok with that
    thanks tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcjazz View Post
    Try a TOOB
    sorry , outa my league

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu View Post
    Thanks KJ , that's really good to know .....

    i'm also hoping to build a super light setup

    I've been trying to decide between this ...or a TC BH250 ...
    ...which is twice the weight (4lbs still quite light)
    but has Toneprint fx built in
    which would save me having to take pedals sometimes
    (i don't need reverb )
    but octave , vibrato or a bit of dirt would be useful to be
    which the BH250 has

    A question KJ
    the bam200 has a gain and a master volume
    is there a useful sound to be had running the gain up and the master vol down to taste ?

    that would help me decide
    thanks in advance ....
    Hi,

    I've been away for a week or so, and suddenly this thread has sprung into life! Thanks for all of the responses.

    Pingu, as it happens I have the TC BH250 head built into a bass amp combo, and it is also a great little amp, a bit bigger and heavier. I really like the toneprint options for bass (my module has two tone print controls), but in my opinion they are extremely limited for guitar as they really are designed with bass in mind, you can only download a few bass orientated models for this amp.

    I find that the gain on the BAM is good for getting the guitar driving the amp effectively, but it is not a guitar amp so it is not designed to overdrive, we are talking clean sounds here. I suspect as with many digital amps that 200 watts is rather optimistic, but as another post states you can safely run this using a speaker rated 16 or 8 ohms with a lower power rating particularly if you are careful not to run the amp flat out. I can't envisage a setting where I would do this as it is plenty loud enough for small gigs at well under half volume.

    Someone else asked about the eq. I find this depends a lot on the speaker you are driving. I've tried it with my Celestion tf0818, which doesn't give an overpowering bass no matter what you do. With a Celestion V30 in an open back cabinet, the bass is more present but not overpowering and the eq gives a good sweep of tone. With my bass 12" Eminence speaker it is more bass heavy but the cabinet is a ported design meant to emphasis those frequencies.

    What I still love is that this amp fits in the pocket of my shoulder bag with my iPad ready for a gig. I'd love to have used it more to report back, but I am on drums at present while our regular drummer is away over the other side of the pond!

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    Hi all! Have been away for a week and glad to see so much buzz around the BAM. Those looking for small/light speaker cabinets might be interested in the coming TOOB 6.5 line. Six pre-production units of these "Baby TOOBs" were made in April-May and and they all flew from my hands before a photo session - to NY jazz guitarists and bassists. I'm expecting a video or two from the users shortly. The 6.5 BG (Bass&Guitar) version will feature an Eminence Alphalite 6A speaker (8 ohm, 100W). While some details have yet to be nailed down, the weight should stop at under 5 lbs. The 6.5 G (guitar) will sport a Jensen P6V AlNiCo speaker (familiar from Fender Champ; 20W, 4 or 8 ohm) for a sweet vintage tone. Weight: around 4 lbs. Nothing on these on the toob.fi website yet, something and early photos on the Toobspeakercabinet FB pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitterbug View Post
    Hi all! Have been away for a week and glad to see so much buzz around the BAM. Those looking for small/light speaker cabinets might be interested in the coming TOOB 6.5 line. Six pre-production units of these "Baby TOOBs" were made in April-May and and they all flew from my hands before a photo session - to NY jazz guitarists and bassists. I'm expecting a video or two from the users shortly. The 6.5 BG (Bass&Guitar) version will feature an Eminence Alphalite 6A speaker (8 ohm, 100W). While some details have yet to be nailed down, the weight should stop at under 5 lbs. The 6.5 G (guitar) will sport a Jensen P6V AlNiCo speaker (familiar from Fender Champ; 20W, 4 or 8 ohm) for a sweet vintage tone. Weight: around 4 lbs. Nothing on these on the toob.fi website yet, something and early photos on the Toobspeakercabinet FB pages.
    Wow 5lbs for the 6.5 BG ,
    excellent work
    how much they gonna cost Glitt ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitterbug View Post
    Hi all! Have been away for a week and glad to see so much buzz around the BAM. Those looking for small/light speaker cabinets might be interested in the coming TOOB 6.5 line. Six pre-production units of these "Baby TOOBs" were made in April-May and and they all flew from my hands before a photo session - to NY jazz guitarists and bassists. I'm expecting a video or two from the users shortly. The 6.5 BG (Bass&Guitar) version will feature an Eminence Alphalite 6A speaker (8 ohm, 100W). While some details have yet to be nailed down, the weight should stop at under 5 lbs. The 6.5 G (guitar) will sport a Jensen P6V AlNiCo speaker (familiar from Fender Champ; 20W, 4 or 8 ohm) for a sweet vintage tone. Weight: around 4 lbs. Nothing on these on the toob.fi website yet, something and early photos on the Toobspeakercabinet FB pages.
    Wow 5lbs for the 6.5 BG ,
    excellent work
    how much they gonna cost Glitt ?

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    The TOOB 6.5 G will be around USD 200, the BG USD 260, plus freight. All hand made, no chance to compete with China, although we're cheaper in the sense that no-one has taken a cent out of the business yet. I'm hoping to find a distributor or at least a hub point in the U.S., because shipping individually is costly. Pooling three to a box will drop the shipping per unit to about USD 35. This is how it's been done with NY jazz cats so far.
    Last edited by Gitterbug; 06-06-2019 at 03:32 PM.

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    Thomann's sold out and does not give an estimate on availability. Gear4Music promises next deliveries in October!

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    I hope they're back in stock soon, they were always going to be popular at that price. It's a bit nerve-wracking putting out a piece of improvisation in front of such a talented audience! I've done a very quickly recorded demo of the amp and speaker set up I mention at the beginning of this thread so you can get some impression of the sound. It's recorded straight to Logic through a condensor mic with no post processing. You can find the video here: