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    I'm aware this is probably not the right place, but the gear section generates most of the forum traffic. The link says it all.

    Fundraiser by Katherine Goodrich-Burrell : Support Kenny Burrell

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    Since I did this for a living Kenny Burrell would have Medicare and while not covering everything it would not cause medical bills that high. Lots or Medicaid available, i am not trying to be a jerk but be careful this has a wrong ring to it.

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    First all Mrs Burrell should apply for Medicaid in the State of California all the medical providers would help her and probably require she did that for treatment. He would have social security income and his wife s minimum. Would think he has many other royalties and pension to boot.

    From someone who once discussed business side with of being a musician with KB, KB s comment was, “i made a lot of money and I kept it, I have no bad habits.”

    My problem with these go fund me things is fraud and deceit.....lots of it going around. It could be legit but I am a Medicaid consultant and if true I tell how to proceed free.

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    The Go Fund Me for Kenny Burrell appears on his Facebook "Community" page. Nothing mentioned on other FB sections however.

    Any way to confirm its legitimacy??

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    Quote Originally Posted by deacon Mark
    First all Mrs Burrell should apply for Medicaid in the State of California all the medical providers would help her and probably require she did that for treatment. He would have social security income and his wife s minimum. Would think he has many other royalties and pension to boot.

    From someone who once discussed business side with of being a musician with KB, KB s comment was, “i made a lot of money and I kept it, I have no bad habits.”

    My problem with these go fund me things is fraud and deceit.....lots of it going around. It could be legit but I am a Medicaid consultant and if true I tell how to proceed free.


    Plus he has been teaching at the university level for several years (decades?) And a uni prof gets paid quite decently. (UCLA?)

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    I contributed anyway. They've already raised 20k in two hours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpguitar
    The article about his son’s passing from 2006 does NOT state that Kenny’s wife’s name is Lora. It states that the son’s mother is Lora. That sort of thing happens!

    If you simply Google Katherine Goodrich-Burrell, you can find the address of her and Kenny’s apartment. Seems like a legitimate plea and not fraud to me.
    Yeah, I was skeptical, but Googling Katherine Goodrich-Burrell does yield and address in Westwood that she shares with Kenneth E Burrell. So it might be legit.

    Also, yes he is a professor at UCLA, but profs don't get paid as handsomely as some think, especially if he is only teaching a class or two, rather than a full load each semester.

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    I got a receipt email, seems legit. If not, I'll probably be spending some time in Nigeria...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug B
    Plus he has been teaching at the university level for several years (decades?) And a uni prof gets paid quite decently. (UCLA?)
    Yep, UCLA, but he is 85 now.

    It also said that he was injured and has some other financial difficulties to boot.

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    If this is true it's beyond sad! Kenny has put out a bizillon albums and is a teaching professor and he's broke?? Hard to understand.

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    Legit or not I funded anyway,
    The thought of a giant like mr Burell being in this kind of trouble is too disturbing...

    We all owe Kenny !

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    Hold fire for now guys. JazzTimes magazine, who first shared details of the fundraiser, just Tweeted:

    We now have reason to doubt the legitimacy of that supposed GoFundMe page for Kenny Burrell we posted about earlier today. If you've been thinking of contributing, please hold off until we can get the full story.”

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    heard from his wife katherine who moderates his official facebook page that this is legit

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    Couple of points seem in order.

    Adjunct professors are paid by the course. Most artists teach courses as adjunct faculty and have a performance career.

    The economics of jazz is such that the entire catalog of jazz artists sold fewer records together than Miles did. Miles made millions. The rest _split_ millions.

    Thus, even household names in jazz could be a few hospital bills from foreclosure.

    It is very plausible that the site is legit.

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    No disrespect to KB but the number of Americans in financial distress due to outrageous medical expenses is staggering. My wife and I have both had cancer, surgeries and procedures costing many thousands of dollars, yet we’ve never considered putting our hand out and just asking for people to just give money to us. Is celebrity status an entitlement to having all of your needs met and problems resolved? I suspect many of us know people and families in far worse hardship living in a significantly lower economic bracket than KB. I am not indifferent to his plight but I just don’t see why I should pay the bills of someone who has made more money than me, while I have my own medical bills because he’s a great guitar player or has some level of celebrity?

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    Kenny Burrell needs help-kb-jpg

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    He was an inspiration. I listen to and teach his music. Yes I bought his CD's but I didn't spend much on them and I'm sure I have watched and listened to plenty of his stuff from free streaming sources over the years too.

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    JazzTimes has confirmed that it's real.

    Kenny Burrell needs help-screen-shot-2019-05-10-10-50-43-am-png

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    When Barney Kessel was ill, many great jazz guitarists got together and did several benefit concerts for him. Perhaps, if this is all true, some concerts need to happen.

    When Joe Pass was ill, one of his D'Aquistos was sold to pay for medical expenses. Perhaps this also needs to happen here?

    It is sad that great artists are not compensated as they should be (have they ever been in any society?) and that American health care (and immigration policy among other things) is in need of structural reform, but due to the extreme polarization of American society, such reform will not be happening any time soon. IMO, the polarization is due to uncompromising extremists from both ends of the political spectrum.

    I hope that the truth of this matter surfaces soon. And that things work out OK for one of the legends of jazz guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskey02
    No disrespect to KB but the number of Americans in financial distress due to outrageous medical expenses is staggering. My wife and I have both had cancer, surgeries and procedures costing many thousands of dollars, yet we’ve never considered putting our hand out and just asking for people to just give money to us. Is celebrity status an entitlement to having all of your needs met and problems resolved? I suspect many of us know people and families in far worse hardship living in a significantly lower economic bracket than KB. I am not indifferent to his plight but I just don’t see why I should pay the bills of someone who has made more money than me, while I have my own medical bills because he’s a great guitar player or has some level of celebrity?
    Then don't donate. Simple. But some of us have been inspired by Kenny for decades and want to help out someone whose playing has been a big part of our lives.

    As far as celebrity status and entitlement, Kenny Burrell is hardly a celebrity outside of the jazz world, so I don't see that argument sticking here. To me, he's a national treasure and I want to help. No one is forcing to you to.

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    I do hope the Burrell family can live this part of their lives with some measure of comfort and dignity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    ...and that American health care (and immigration policy among other things) is in need of structural reform, but due to the extreme polarization of American society, such reform will not be happening any time soon. IMO, the polarization is due to uncompromising extremists from both ends of the political spectrum.
    Which in itself is the result of skillful manipulation by various aspects of the media to herd people towards being uncompromising extremists. It's called "the culture war," but the basic reality of that is that the Civil War is not yet settled and those divisions have been exploited for the purposes of political and economic power.

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    I just received an e-mail from Vintage Guitar promoting Kenny Burrell's GoFundMe page.

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    Sad for him. I sent my donation, Mister Kenny Burrell is the one who took me to the jazz guitar world !

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    An elderly couple is facing foreclosure and homelessness? What kind of fuckin heartless society allows this to happen?

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    I have donated and so should all of you. Our passion for jazz guitar exists in part because of this living legend. Even a 5 dollar contribution helps. This is not a scam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter C
    An elderly couple is facing foreclosure and homelessness? What kind of fuckin heartless society allows this to happen?
    Ones that are told that there are invisible hands of little fairys that make everything workout optimally in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptchristopher3
    Any chance this can stay on the seemingly legit funding for the Burrell family vs. the old man muppets coming out agian?
    Hey, I resemble that remark!

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    If I'd only heard his solo on Jimmy Smith's "Flamingo" it would have been enough for me to contribute, check it out sometime. First time I heard him and still my favorite solo.

    It's already over 60k in 24hrs!
    I'm hoping a well heeled fan or two puts it way over the top. It would be cool to see him and the missus live somewhat comfortably in their golden yrs.

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    God Bless Kenny Burrell.

    But for the grace of God goeth I.

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    I can understand the varying points of view here.

    Lots of people become strapped because of medical bills, and couldn't expect much success in starting a GoFundMe drive, like a celebrity can/could.

    But then, the Burrell's listed some other drivers for the need as well. Identity theft and related issues. I must admit that I didn't understand the linkage to mold remediation issues, though. Whatever, I gave some.

    And then the usual trashing of America started.

    Well, Burrell is 85 so is eligible for Medicare, is he not? Whether he has a Medicare supplement is a valid question (for him, not us), as everyone should. But they aren't free of course. And finally, some folks are calling for "Medicare for all" as the grand answer to America's healthcare challenges. Well folks, take a good look. So maybe they should change it to "Medicare plus a Medicare Supplement for all". All to be funded by GoFundMe (not). Food for thought, but I'll stop here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt
    And finally, some folks are calling for "Medicare for all" as the grand answer to America's healthcare challenges.
    Well you make it sound like "Medicare for all" is some unattainable magic or something. There are many similarly developed countries that have achieved medicare for all. Some believe the US to be the greatest country in the world. Then it should be no big deal for US to deliver what the lousy Canadian's were able to do many decades ago
    Just saying.

    Edit: I might add, despite what you might hear in some news sources, Canadians are overwhelmingly in favor of public healthcare. Even the Conservative party fully supports it. (In Canada 4 of the 5 major parties are progressive leaning so the other 4 also certainly support it.)

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    Here’s an update from JazzTimes which includes a statement from the Jazz Foundation of America: GoFundMe Page Launched to Support Kenny Burrell in Time of Need. It verifies the very unfortunate situation that Kenny and his wife are experiencing.

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    I don't use them but aren't Thomastics about $25-30 a set?
    If you use them just leave your current set on longer and consider donating that to the fund.
    Folks, it's a pack of strings....

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    Can we please leave the political bullshit out of this threaf about KB? Seriously. Come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmpmcdermott
    Can we please leave the political bullshit out of this threaf about KB? Seriously. Come on.
    Think it's well founded. What has happened to Burrell would never happen in any other civilized country. Helping Kenny is fine...I sent in mine, but until people realize there's an underlying problem here and it's long past time we addressed it, then we'll keep having these. Something like 75% of all GoFundMe is people begging for medical bills...that's unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmpmcdermott
    Can we please leave the political bullshit out of this threaf about KB? Seriously. Come on.
    When I read this comment I thought that may be by accident I posted my comment about public healthcare to a thread about bebop scales or Venetian cutaways. Nope, it's the right thread. It's a thread about raising money to help a jazz legend pay his medical bills. What do you want to talk about? The thread has already established that it's legit. Either you donate or you don't. Your choice. I personally chose to make a donation. What else is there to talk about other then the what the hell must how gone wrong for this to happen in the first place???
    It's completely normal for some people to examine the root cause and discuss solutions that may prevent such things happening in the future. Feel free to ignore. What are we, just string picking automatons?

    PS. I get that civil war thing was may be a bit pushing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    When I read this comment I thought that may be by accident I posted my comment about the public healthcare to a thread about bebop scale or Venetian cutaways. Nope, it's the right thread. It's a thread about raising money to help a jazz legend pay his medical bill. What do you want to talk about. The thread has already established that it's legit. Either you donate or you don't. Your choice. I personally chose to made a donation. What else is there to talk about other then the what the hell must how gone wrong for this to happen in the first place???
    It's completely normal for some people to examine the root cause and discuss solutions that may prevent such things happening in the future. Feel free to ignore.

    PS. I get that civil war thing was may be a bit pushing it.
    Because you know what a political debate on a guitar forum is going to yield? Hostility. These kinds of debates are never civil. I just see this devolving into nastiness, not people examine the root cause. I’d love to have that kind of conversation, but I’ve belonged to enough forums to know that’s not how it goes down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    Well you make it sound like "Medicare for all" is some unattainable magic or something. There are many similarly developed countries that have achieved medicare for all. Some believe the US to be the greatest country in the world. Then it should be no big deal for US to deliver what the lousy Canadian's were able to do many decades ago
    Just saying.

    Edit: I might add, despite what you might hear in some news sources, Canadians are overwhelmingly in favor of public healthcare. Even the Conservative party fully supports it. (In Canada 4 of the 5 major parties are progressive leaning so the other 4 also certainly support it.)
    Yes, unattainable when we consider the costs, yes indeed. A question one has to ask is, how high can the debt go before one should be concerned? $50T? It's too easy to make it an abstraction and dissociate when it's not your money. SMH. Only with government spending are such fantasies indulged. (Oh, or pro sports players, but then they always crash to the ground eventually). Do we have to crash and burn before we admit that endless massive spending was a bad (as opposed to good) idea?

    And no politician is for taking away benefits once they're rolled out. Have you ever heard of "the third rail"? That's why it's wise not to roll out more huge programs, because they never die. Canada would be spending less on butter and more on guns if the super powerful USA was not to her south. Don't kid yourself. Either that or it would be the new eastern Russia.

    Can you just imagine someone saying "I'm for reducing the debt to $5T AND here are the new big programs I want to roll out as well, AND I intend to keep the economy and employment numbers strong by not over burdening businesses and individuals with oppressive and excessive taxes".

    Nope, and neither can I. :0
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    What happened? Any news reports of the injury and its extent? Frequently, the injured in CA seek bloodsucking lawyers to sue someone when in financial need. I could not find anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt
    Canada would be spending less on butter and more on guns if the super powerful USA was not to her south. Don't kid yourself. Either that or it would be the new eastern Russia.
    Well that settles it. You know you won the debate when you forced the other side to make wacko speculations to hold their ground.

    PS. And you guys were worried that it was gonna turn hostile. See how peacefully it ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    Well that settles it. You know you won the debate when you forced the other side to make wacko speculations to hold their ground.

    PS. And you guys were worried that it was gonna turn hostile. See how peacefully it ended.
    No need to get carried away. It's possible that you underestimate just how fragile the "peaceful" world really is, and just how important massive military might is. The simple truth is that the USA keeps the wolves from the door for just about the entire free world, not just Canada. The USA needs partners to be sure, but if we ever go down it will be curtains for all the other "tigers" out there. That's not bragging, everyone knows it's true. Everyone. And especially China, Russia, Iran and North Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    Well that settles it. You know you won the debate when you forced the other side to make wacko speculations to hold their ground.

    PS. And you guys were worried that it was gonna turn hostile. See how peacefully it ended.
    Yeah, as a Canadian we will be just fine if the US cut its defence budget by half. The US is a global imperial power and makes decisions as such. It has a world to govern and it costs a lot but don't tell Canada you are helping us. We have watched one US foreign policy disaster after another and think maybe it is not a bad idea if the US cut its defence budget and maybe financed health care for a change. Trump is all about America first....cut the military budget by half and man you could finance the rebuilding of America in 5 years...

    ...and I will be contributing to this fund...even though I cannot believe that in a country as wealthy as the US it is necessary... give your head a shake...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    Well that settles it. You know you won the debate when you forced the other side to make wacko speculations to hold their ground.

    PS. And you guys were worried that it was gonna turn hostile. See how peacefully it ended.

    Tovarich! We drink vodka now!

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    Well, I'm glad we've gotten into a civil debate about the root cause of healthcare problems in America. Bravo, gentlemen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberoo
    Yeah, as a Canadian we will be just fine if the US cut its defence budget by half. The US is a global imperial power and makes decisions as such. It has a world to govern and it costs a lot but don't tell Canada you are helping us. We have watched one US foreign policy disaster after another and think maybe it is not a bad idea if the US cut its defence budget and maybe financed health care for a change. Trump is all about America first....cut the military budget by half and man you could finance the rebuilding of America in 5 years...

    ...and I will be contributing to this fund...even though I cannot believe that in a country as wealthy as the US it is necessary... give your head a shake...
    No my friend. Look up killer satellites, hypersonic missiles, the Chinese Navy, and how fast these things are being developed and deployed. And look at the alliances of the above mentioned countries.

    If America fell how long do you think it would take for the rest of the west to surrender or be destroyed? I'd give it less than 24 hours, maybe 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmpmcdermott
    Well, I'm glad we've gotten into a civil debate about the root cause of healthcare problems in America. Bravo, gentlemen.
    I know right. Turns out the root cause is the killer satellites. So glad we got to the bottom of what's preventing American's from having healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    I know right. Turns out the root cause is the Chinese killer satellites. So glad we got to the bottom of what's preventing American's from having healthcare.
    It did give me a good laugh, at least...

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    I find it baffling that a musician, especially a jazz musician, can be a social conservative.

    And lest it seem I comment off topic, I have donated.

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    This is about helping Kenny Burrell not about your world views. Kenny is a jazz icon and a great and humble man. He gave me great advice when I was a puppy. A true gentleman. This thread is all about Kenny. Pay up or shut up.