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    After over a year of playing a copy (a modded Peerless Songbird) I am hopeful that an ES-330 can be my main guitar. I haven't been able to play the 2018 model but I'm hopeful the neck is not as thick as the 59 reissues. I shipped it to a local GC so I'll be able to check it out there. The excuse is my 40th birthday. Still a few months away but I didn't want to miss it.

    It's the classic sunburst finish, this is a stock pic. I'll report when I get it.

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    Who needs an excuse?!

    Lovely! Congrats, HNGD play her in good health and !
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    Nice buy. Happy Birthday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Blues View Post
    Who needs an excuse?!
    My wife
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    Nice buy. Happy Birthday!
    Thanks!

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    Great guitar. The p-90 equipped, short-necked version of the ES-330 has long been one of my very favorite Gibsons.

    ENJOY!

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    I love thin line, hollow P90s guitars. After playing Teles for 40 years, i discovered them and I don’t play my teles very much anymore ....

    steven

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    Very nice ES330. Happy Birthday!

    Play it in good health.

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    My wife

    Thanks!
    I can relate!
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    You will love it!
    I have 2018 330 like the one you've just ordered. Ordered it online at a good discounted price. Tremendous guitar! Super versatile, won't sustain as a 335 but that's not the objective. We really can feel the hollow body tone compared to a 335.

    Bridge pickup perfect for blues with some grit, middle position extremely crisp and useful for rhythm (as in a tele but even more balanced) and the neck pickup amazing for jazz with some vintage vibe.

    The neck is comfortable, as is the whole guitar, not as thick as the 335 59 reissue.
    I have mine with daddario 11's pure nickel, thinking of going 12's.
    Happy birthday and have fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacordes View Post
    You will love it!
    I have 2018 330 like the one you've just ordered. Ordered it online at a good discounted price. Tremendous guitar! Super versatile, won't sustain as a 335 but that's not the objective. We really can feel the hollow body tone compared to a 335.

    Bridge pickup perfect for blues with some grit, middle position extremely crisp and useful for rhythm (as in a tele but even more balanced) and the neck pickup amazing for jazz with some vintage vibe.

    The neck is comfortable, as is the whole guitar, not as thick as the 335 59 reissue.
    I have mine with daddario 11's pure nickel, thinking of going 12's.
    Happy birthday and have fun!
    Thanks! Good to hear you’re happy, particularly with the neck

    I usually have flats 12-48 but I may give rounds a chance to leverage the versatility you mention.

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    That's a beautiful sunburst finish on that ES-330!

    I've never played one of those but I've played and owned an ES-335 and an ES-355 and loved both of them.

    First chance I get I'll try one of those ES-330s out.

    Have some fun with your new Gibson!

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    Steven Herron
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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    After over a year of playing a copy (a modded Peerless Songbird) I am hopeful that an ES-330 can be my main guitar. I haven't been able to play the 2018 model but I'm hopeful the neck is not as thick as the 59 reissues. I shipped it to a local GC so I'll be able to check it out there. The excuse is my 40th birthday. Still a few months away but I didn't want to miss it.
    The 2018 has a bit of a hand filling neck, but neither a baseball bat nor a 335 slim profile, somewhere in the middle, I think it's just right. Have fun with yours.
    Regards,

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone View Post
    Great guitar. The p-90 equipped, short-necked version of the ES-330 has long been one of my very favorite Gibsons.

    ENJOY!
    Me too.
    It elicits memories of my first jazz guitar discovery: Grant Green's Idle Moments.
    Jared

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Herron View Post
    That's a beautiful sunburst finish on that ES-330!

    I've never played one of those but I've played and owned an ES-335 and an ES-355 and loved both of them.

    First chance I get I'll try one of those ES-330s out.

    Have some fun with your new Gibson!

    Regards,
    Steven Herron
    I have a 330L (P90) and a 330 2018 (HB's) and the 2018 is for sure different than a 335, not only in weight, but it feels tiny by comparison not only to the "L" but all other 3xx semis too.

    Its length it almost 2" shorter, and nearly 2 pounds lighter than a 335. But it's not a totally unfamiliar feel, except that unlike 335's it balances perfectly and if you play a lot up past the 13th fret it's a different story altogether because of the different neck join to body location.
    Regards,

    Gary

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    This is amazing, I literally bought the exact same guitar yesterday at GC for my 50th! So far it seems like a great guitar, love the vibe. Hope you enjoy it !!

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    This is amazing, I literally bought the exact same guitar yesterday at GC for my 50th! So far it seems like a great guitar, love the vibe. Hope you enjoy it !!
    That’s hilarious!

    Glad you’re liking it. They ran out at Musicians Friend so I called GC and they had 15 left so I decided to pull the trigger. I guess they have 13 left now

    What’s your take on the neck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNAPPI View Post
    The 2018 has a bit of a hand filling neck, but neither a baseball bat nor a 335 slim profile, somewhere in the middle, I think it's just right. Have fun with yours.
    That sounds promising to me. If it’s in normal Les Paul territory, it will be good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dedalus View Post
    Me too.
    It elicits memories of my first jazz guitar discovery: Grant Green's Idle Moments.
    I’ve been playing so much Grant Green lately that my 9 year old recognizes his playing as a sideman in records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    That sounds promising to me. If it’s in normal Les Paul territory, it will be good.
    That's actually spot on. The first fret is exactly the same distance away from you as a LP when resting on my right leg while a 335 is a farther reach. Playing the 2018 330 in pitch black will be immediately familiar if you play a LP.

    On the down side, the 2018's have BB pups which I generally don't like, but the ones on the 330 are particularly shrill, they are going sooner than later. I suspected this before I pulled the trigger fully expecting to replace the BB's.

    This 330 is THE most comfortable Gibson I own or have owned to play.
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    Congrats! You're going to have a great NGD!!!!

    There was one of those (an earlier model) that came through the local shop a few years ago that I tried and I still think about.

    Gibson was doing more of a brownbust then. The guitar was resonant and very jazzy. I loved it (much more than any 335 I tried) but I was broke. I was only able to talk myself out of putting it on my credit card because I wasn't in love with the small frets on that edition. That was my "no I'm not going to buy this right now" justification. But the tone, the nice thick neck . . . mmmmmm

    BTW, the neck was thick but just right thick, not too thick. 330 is a super cool guitar!!! Enjoy your upcoming NGD !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    That’s hilarious!

    Glad you’re liking it. They ran out at Musicians Friend so I called GC and they had 15 left so I decided to pull the trigger. I guess they have 13 left now

    What’s your take on the neck?
    Haven't played it a ton yet due to work getting in the way but I find the neck comfortable, in fact the guitar is in general well balanced and comfortable.

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    How is your peerless version? Is it nothing like the Gibson?

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    Nice! An ES-330 has always been on my want list. It’s such a good sounding guitar. I don’t know if I’ll ever get one as I’ve sold most of my collection since I rarely played them compared to my number 1 so I’ll just live vicariously through you. Enjoy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by GNAPPI View Post
    That's actually spot on. The first fret is exactly the same distance away from you as a LP when resting on my right leg while a 335 is a farther reach. Playing the 2018 330 in pitch black will be immediately familiar if you play a LP.

    On the down side, the 2018's have BB pups which I generally don't like, but the ones on the 330 are particularly shrill, they are going sooner than later. I suspected this before I pulled the trigger fully expecting to replace the BB's.

    This 330 is THE most comfortable Gibson I own or have owned to play.
    Quote Originally Posted by Longways to Go View Post
    Congrats! You're going to have a great NGD!!!!

    There was one of those (an earlier model) that came through the local shop a few years ago that I tried and I still think about.

    Gibson was doing more of a brownbust then. The guitar was resonant and very jazzy. I loved it (much more than any 335 I tried) but I was broke. I was only able to talk myself out of putting it on my credit card because I wasn't in love with the small frets on that edition. That was my "no I'm not going to buy this right now" justification. But the tone, the nice thick neck . . . mmmmmm

    BTW, the neck was thick but just right thick, not too thick. 330 is a super cool guitar!!! Enjoy your upcoming NGD !!!
    Quote Originally Posted by bob32069 View Post
    Haven't played it a ton yet due to work getting in the way but I find the neck comfortable, in fact the guitar is in general well balanced and comfortable.
    Well, I went to pick it up to GC today.

    Really liked it. The sound I expected and the neck was just perfect. You were all right

    On the down side I think it was a demo or open box because it had some light scratching even though it had the plastic on the pickguard. Just like you get after a week of playing. I complained to the manager and they threw in a nice discount. Pretty sure I’ll polish it off.

    Really happy. Now it’s in lockdown until my actual birthday lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by p1p View Post
    How is your peerless version? Is it nothing like the Gibson?
    It is very nice. Peerless used to make the Casinos in the 90s and I modded mine to get it close to a 330. Here’s my NGD thread for the Peerless:



    Quote Originally Posted by rio View Post
    Nice! An ES-330 has always been on my want list. It’s such a good sounding guitar. I don’t know if I’ll ever get one as I’ve sold most of my collection since I rarely played them compared to my number 1 so I’ll just live vicariously through you. Enjoy!
    Thanks! Now you have to say which one is your #1



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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    It is very nice. Peerless used to make the Casinos in the 90s and I modded mine to get it close to a 330. Here’s my NGD thread for the Peerless:

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    Cool, can you let us know how they differ? I’m looking at both and other variations. Cheers

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    Cool, can you let us know how they differ? I’m looking at both and other variations. Cheers
    If you play Jazz IMHO the pickups on the Peerless or normal Casino have to go. They are very hot. The build quality on the Peerless is actually very nice. Not to the level of detail in fretwork for example you get with a Gibson (when they have a good day) but still good. I also liked the 1965 Casino reissue but ended up with the Peerless. Heard good things about the Lennon model but didn’t play one. The normal MIC Casinos I played weren’t that great in terms of build quality though. And I am not a country origin snob. I’ve played an Indonesian Squier live

    If the neck of the 330 hadn’t worked out, the Epi Casino Elitist was next on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post



    Thanks! Now you have to say which one is your #1



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    A ‘70 L5 - I enjoyed playing my other guitars when I had them but it became more and more apparent that they were hanging on the wall far more than me playing them so I found them new homes except for a few to take out to places I wouldn’t want to bring the L5.

    Good to hear about the discount - that is probably one of the best reasons to shop at GC these days. I’ve gotten quite a few discounts in the same way since they just want to get stuff out of the door.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    If you play Jazz IMHO the pickups on the Peerless or normal Casino have to go. They are very hot. The build quality on the Peerless is actually very nice. Not to the level of detail in fretwork for example you get with a Gibson (when they have a good day) but still good. I also liked the 1965 Casino reissue but ended up with the Peerless. Heard good things about the Lennon model but didn’t play one. The normal MIC Casinos I played weren’t that great in terms of build quality though. And I am not a country origin snob. I’ve played an Indonesian Squier live

    If the neck of the 330 hadn’t worked out, the Epi Casino Elitist was next on the list.
    I bought a new MIC Casino two years ago because I didn’t want to gig with my vintage ES-125 anymore.You are right, the pickups are horrible, and were quickly replaced with vintage-output Fralins.

    The guitar was very clean - the workmanship was fine. No flaws, no sloppy bits, even the inside of the F-holes were done correctly. Note I say ‘correctly’ rather than ‘well’ - there is nothing to complain about, no flaws, it is a good solid working tool, but “something” is missing which I have on the 125 or my 2015 335 Studio.
    The Gibsons just ‘feel’ different; not in a measurable or playability way. The Casino has the plastic finish, and somehow the neck feels as if it were made of balsa - although it is a stiff and stable neck; it was one of my top criteria when buying.

    So the MIC is a good tool, and with all the modifications it gets me 95% to the 125; but the devil is in that last 5%. The 335 Studio has it, so it’s not a factor of age, and I’m certain your 330 has it, but my Casino will never have it. I need to look at the Elitist; it would be worth the extra cost to me.

    Steven

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    Well, I went to pick it up to GC today.

    Really liked it. The sound I expected and the neck was just perfect. You were all right

    On the down side I think it was a demo or open box because it had some light scratching even though it had the plastic on the pickguard. Just like you get after a week of playing. I complained to the manager and they threw in a nice discount. Pretty sure I’ll polish it off.

    Really happy. Now it’s in lockdown until my actual birthday lol.


    It is very nice. Peerless used to make the Casinos in the 90s and I modded mine to get it close to a 330. Here’s my NGD thread for the Peerless:




    Thanks! Now you have to say which one is your #1



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    Mine was also discounted because it was the floor demo, but also can only see the miniscule scratches if held at a certain angle to the light. This GC keeps the Gibsons and higher end Martins in locked racks so doubt they are actually played much. Glad you got a good deal on yours and you're happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    Well, I went to pick it up to GC today.

    Really liked it. The sound I expected and the neck was just perfect. You were all right

    On the down side I think it was a demo or open box because it had some light scratching even though it had the plastic on the pickguard. Just like you get after a week of playing. I complained to the manager and they threw in a nice discount. Pretty sure I’ll polish it off.

    Really happy. Now it’s in lockdown until my actual birthday lol.
    Lockdown? Gads, that would be torture for me!

    This is a weird thing about Gibson. The P90 comes with a pickguard, the HB model does not. I bought a laminated 5 ply 335 PG and it's actually VERY cool. The switch nestles up closer to the pickguard like my ES-345 or Tal Farlow making it tough to accidentally snick to another position. Maybe Gibson thought this looked weird and they couldn't bother making one that looked more like a 335 proportionally? Dunno... many 345's have the same longer PG and I think they look great.

    Be sure to update here after it comes out of "lockdown" :-)
    Regards,

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNAPPI View Post
    Lockdown? Gads, that would be torture for me!

    This is a weird thing about Gibson. The P90 comes with a pickguard, the HB model does not. I bought a laminated 5 ply 335 PG and it's actually VERY cool. The switch nestles up closer to the pickguard like my ES-345 or Tal Farlow making it tough to accidentally snick to another position. Maybe Gibson thought this looked weird and they couldn't bother making one that looked more like a 335 proportionally? Dunno... many 345's have the same longer PG and I think they look great.

    Be sure to update here after it comes out of "lockdown" :-)
    I’ll give an update I’ll do a setup, install shims, flats and try to polish the scratches out next week before putting it back in the case again.

    I’m not surprised about the pickguard. I think the jury is still out with the 335/330/Casino shape on it being necessary. The ES-333, Casino Lennon, ES-335 Studio come without one and a bunch of people take it out. I like it too and I’m glad you made yours work.

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    gorgeous

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    Jealous!

    Enjoy it in good health!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    If you play Jazz IMHO the pickups on the Peerless or normal Casino have to go. They are very hot. The build quality on the Peerless is actually very nice. Not to the level of detail in fretwork for example you get with a Gibson (when they have a good day) but still good.
    That is how the casino search went for me, until it didn't. I'm on my fourth casino. #1 was '97 or so Peerless made. Nice feel, well made guitar, but the p/us were ridiculously hot. After trading it, I had second thoughts. Shoulda swapped those p/us ... So #2 was also Peerless made. Same ridiculous P90s. I swapped in Lollar P-90s, only to realize later that this one did not have the quality build or resonance of the first. (lesson learned: p/us aren't everything, can't solve everything.)

    #3 was an Epiphone Elitist Casino. Cause how could I go wrong with that, with Gibson P-90s? Still not sure, but I could not warm up to that guitar, and didn't much care for those p/us. #4 was my last attempt. Another Peerless made casino, from 2004. This one has the quality feel and resonance of the first, while the P-90s are surprisingly good. Not just adequate. Low wind and tasty. What a relief!

    BTW, all of this casino juggling was in response to not being able to find a 330 I really liked. Had a '67. Should have been le plus ultra, but wasn't. I'd love to have one of the recent RIs, but they're pricey. So I'm lucky indeed to have this casino #4, given that it cost me 20 percent of what a recent 330 RI goes for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad dog View Post
    That is how the casino search went for me, until it didn't. I'm on my fourth casino. #1 was '97 or so Peerless made. Nice feel, well made guitar, but the p/us were ridiculously hot. After trading it, I had second thoughts. Shoulda swapped those p/us ... So #2 was also Peerless made. Same ridiculous P90s. I swapped in Lollar P-90s, only to realize later that this one did not have the quality build or resonance of the first. (lesson learned: p/us aren't everything, can't solve everything.)

    #3 was an Epiphone Elitist Casino. Cause how could I go wrong with that, with Gibson P-90s? Still not sure, but I could not warm up to that guitar, and didn't much care for those p/us. #4 was my last attempt. Another Peerless made casino, from 2004. This one has the quality feel and resonance of the first, while the P-90s are surprisingly good. Not just adequate. Low wind and tasty. What a relief!

    BTW, all of this casino juggling was in response to not being able to find a 330 I really liked. Had a '67. Should have been le plus ultra, but wasn't. I'd love to have one of the recent RIs, but they're pricey. So I'm lucky indeed to have this casino #4, given that it cost me 20 percent of what a recent 330 RI goes for.
    You’re lucky somebody felt lazy that day winding those pickups and put a few turns less than they were told

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    COngrats on your NGD

    You are going to love it. I picked up one of these (in the UK) - brought it second hand from a guy who had only had it for 3 months, and I paid way less than half the price of a new one.

    It needed a little polish but it was then good as new. And it had a lovely dark 'board like yours

    As for strings...I had Pure Nickel 12s on it and they worked well. But then I put some flats on it and it was - for me - perfect

    Play your new guitar in good health

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    After over a year of playing a copy (a modded Peerless Songbird) I am hopeful that an ES-330 can be my main guitar. I haven't been able to play the 2018 model but I'm hopeful the neck is not as thick as the 59 reissues. I shipped it to a local GC so I'll be able to check it out there. The excuse is my 40th birthday. Still a few months away but I didn't want to miss it.
    Is it STILL in lockdown? :-)
    Regards,

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNAPPI View Post
    Is it STILL in lockdown? :-)
    I hope he has it by now. I love the 330 so I need to live vicariously through other people playing them.


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    Is it STILL in lockdown? :-)
    Quote Originally Posted by rio View Post
    I hope he has it by now. I love the 330 so I need to live vicariously through other people playing them.

    I just realized I never came back! Sorry! I left forums etc for a while so I missed these.

    It is no longer in lock down, I've been enjoying it healthily for a few months. I also sold my Peerless Songbird.

    I couldn't be happier. Love the neck, the definition and clarity of the notes particularly with my PRRI. Highly recommended.

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    How much better is it than the Peerless?
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    I would say it is clearly better but it's hard to point at specifics because the Peerless was well built and what I really didn't like I changed (pickups, bridge). The Gibson feels overall more "robust" and better built and overall I like the tone better. It's a bit heavier but sounds more "hollow" so there may be a construction difference that contributes to this.

    I kept both for some time to be able to compare. In terms of how much I don't think the over 2x difference in price is "justified", maybe a 30% better? That to me when you're already happy with an instrument is pretty awesome though.

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    Thanks for the comparison! I know older Epiphone Casinos have thin floating block under the top, adding quite a bit of mass, where the 330 has a kerfed spruce liner (more like a series of parallel braces):

    Casino:


    ES-330:


    That probably explains why the 330 feels and sounds more hollow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay View Post
    Thanks for the comparison! I know older Epiphone Casinos have thin floating block under the top, adding quite a bit of mass, where the 330 has a kerfed spruce liner (more like a series of parallel braces)

    [...]

    That probably explains why the 330 feels and sounds more hollow?
    Thanks! That makes sense. How about the weight? The 330 is noticeably heavier. Still obviously light, mind you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille View Post
    Thanks! That makes sense. How about the weight? The 330 is noticeably heavier. Still obviously light, mind you.
    I have noticed that what is called mahogany in Asian guitars, usually are lighter types of mahogany or not even mahogany at all (actually, many woods are classified as mahogany, but there are only a few types of true mahogany). Same goes for the other woods used in the laminates. So probably the use of locally (read: in Asia) more readily available lighter types of woods explain the difference in weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay View Post
    I have noticed that what is called mahogany in Asian guitars, usually are lighter types of mahogany or not even mahogany at all (actually, many woods are classified as mahogany, but there are only a few types of true mahogany). Same goes for the other woods used in the laminates. So probably the use of locally (read: in Asia) more readily available lighter types of woods explain the difference in weight.
    Awesome, thanks for the explanation. Makes total sense.

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    A tip for the OP: If you got a buzz while playing a D, look inside for the bridge mic cable. It could be too long and buzz on the back of your guitar when playing certain frequencies.
    It took me 2 hours to find it (with only two hands you have to pick the string with your nose while muffling all the vibrating zones).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatayoyo View Post
    A tip for the OP: If you got a buzz while playing a D, look inside for the bridge mic cable. It could be too long and buzz on the back of your guitar when playing certain frequencies.
    It took me 2 hours to find it (with only two hands you have to pick the string with your nose while muffling all the vibrating zones).
    Nice. I’ll try to remember. Thanks!

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    I have a soft spot for those! Beautiful!