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  1. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matchafor2
    True. The Pm200 was released how many years after Pat's prototype? Probably around two-three decades. 1989-2013. The Pm100 and 120 and Pm2 were all different than the prototype. I hope this CC Ibanez will be an anomaly and sold on the market. The YouTube clip with Pat playing with Ron Carter...great sound! I personally think Pat sounds better with the Ibanez laminate sound than the Slaman solid top.
    I consider the pm100 to be the (in Pat’s mind) evolution of the es 175. Initially he played the original Ibanez that was the just as good “replacement”. Then, he upgraded it with his personal improvements. Double cut, easy fret access, fast neck, ebony fretboard. What’s not to like? There are several videos on YouTube playing pm100 around 1996-1999.
    then came the pm120 which was designed for the working man, second pickup, less feedback.

    of course, both these models were doomed to commercial limited success because the are visually far from traditional archtop design. And therefore limited circle life product.

    I think that’s why the pm200 came out as a new product. Visually similar to the original version but in reality deeper and larger. I don’t think that metheny ever played an pm200.

    I really hope that Ibanez will roll out the current version. He seems to like it a lot.

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  3. #102

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    Westville guitars has nothing to do with Ibanez, Pat was seen in 2019 at a NJ concert playing a similar Ibanez that's not in production.

    Cheers,
    Arnie..

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  4. #103

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    Something is coming at last!
    It has not a picture yet but it seems to be the not Japan model an it says about a special PM neck pickup!

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  5. #104

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    Hmm....intriguing. Black or antique amber.


    • neck type
    • PM3pc Nyatoh/Mapleset-in neck


    • top/back/side
    • Spruce MapleMaple


    • fretboard
    • Bound Ebony fretboardAcrylic PM special inlay


    • fret
    • Medium fretsArtstar fret edge treatment


    • number of frets
    • 22


    • bridge
    • Gibraltar Performer bridge


    • string space
    • 10.5mm


    • neck pickup
    • PM Special neck pickup


    • factory tuning
    • 1E,2B,3G,4D,5A,6E


    • string gauge
    • .011/.015/.022w/.030/.040/.050


    • nut
    • Bone nut


    • hardware color
    • Dark Gold

  6. #105

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    The PM Special Neck Pickup implies it is only for this model, and could well be the CC.

    What is a Gibraltar Performer Bridge?

  7. #106

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    Interesting cause the PM200 bridge is a Gotoh GE103B.
    The Gibraltar Performer is on my AF95FM, way less expensive than the PM200.

    Makes me wonder what the price point will be, given theres a few other drop downs.

    The upcoming PM25 is Artstar fret edge treatment but the 200 is Prestige. Acrylic inlays on the 25 vs Acrylic/Abalone on the 200.

    Neck on the 25 is three piece Maple Nyatoh, the 200 is one piece Mahogany.

    Maybe not an MIJ?

  8. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop

    What is a Gibraltar Performer Bridge?
    ibanez newspeak for a tune-a-matic

    cheers

    ps- notice also in the performance pics ^...his cc pup has screws...not the og vintage true- blade

  9. #108

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    I think it’s definitely not the Japan model. But I hope a MIJ will soon follow because it seems that it should be an anniversary edition 25 years.

    one other difference is the spruce top. It’s the first for a Metheny model

  10. #109

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    I just found a pm200 at a great price which made me think about buying it, but now that i read this, i might just wait. I would definitely buy a japanese version of this one.

  11. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryPm
    I think it’s definitely not the Japan model.
    Yeah .. My thoughts exactly ..


    I hope that they don't do what they did with the 40th anniversary George Benson model.

    With that model they introduced a mass produced affordable Asian version, but only of 40 MIJ guitars at very expensive prices that where basically sold before they hit the dealers.

    MIJ version


    Asian version

  12. #111

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    Yeah .. My thoughts exactly ..


    I hope that they don't do what they did with the 40th anniversary George Benson model.

    With that model they introduced a mass produced affordable Asian version, but only of 40 MIJ guitars at very expensive prices that where basically sold before they hit the dealers.
    thanks for the pictures! I didn't even knew there was a japan version of the 40th anniversary!

    but I am afraid that something similar would happen to the 25th Metheny model, especially if you consider the CC pickup ...
    are they ready for a mass production?

    unless there is a totally different approach (no CC pickup).
    if you look for the 20th Sco model, you will find also a special pickup version and it is a humbucker...

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  13. #112

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    Well as we Ibanez peeps know they do have their own logic when it comes to what and how they do things. Based on the quality of the Indonesian AF95FM i have i am not at all concerned, this should be a nice guitar, especially with a spruce top. Could probably even afford it)))

  14. #113

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    funny thing, I was just ready to pull the trigger on the new AMH90 and I was checking the specs as I bumped on the PM25th.
    Now I' m waiting for the full disclosure (photo)

  15. #114

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    just when i was in the acceptance stage of what guitars I own, now here comes this one.....

  16. #115

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    One of the great things about the original PM100, the PM120, the PM20 (all discontinued) and the PM200 (available) are the 22frets and the better high fret access. I know, I know...there's no money beyond the..., but there are not many factory made archtops with this feature (if you need/want it), the better access (the 22frets are on the PM2 and some other archtops).
    I had a PM100 and stupidly sold it, even if it's generally considered ugly (I think it's great), it should have remained in production, maybe in a cheaper version without the artist name etc.

    Again (last time I promise): the deeper cutaway is not on the PM2 only the PM200. Among the less expensive models in this range I liked the PM20 the most, but they're rarely found in the used market.

  17. #116

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeTT
    One of the great things about the original PM100, the PM120, the PM20 (all discontinued) and the PM200 (available) are the 22frets and the better high fret access. I know, I know...there's no money beyond the..., but there are not many factory made archtops with this feature (if you need/want it), the better access (the 22frets are on the PM2 and some other archtops).
    I had a PM100 and stupidly sold it, even if it's generally considered ugly (I think it's great), it should have remained in production, maybe in a cheaper version without the artist name etc.

    Again (last time I promise): the deeper cutaway is not on the PM2 only the PM200. Among the less expensive models in this range I liked the PM20 the most, but they're rarely found in the used market.
    Interesting!
    I didn't ever noticed the difference. I also agree that PM100 should have remained in production because it also has a reduced heel at the neck which gives an easy access and speed to the entire fretboard (not only to the higher frets) compared to any other conventional archtop.

    pm100
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    pm200
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  18. #117

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    and here's pm20 (discontinued) vs PM2 (available), just for us upper access nerds;-)

    PM20

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    PM2
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  19. #118

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzimprov;[URL="tel:1101289"
    1101289[/URL]] just when i was in the acceptance stage of what guitars I own, now here comes this one.....
    Ibanez are such a tease !
    its disappeared from the website now

  20. #119

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    Hi fellow Ibanezies:
    Possibly down due to floating specs? Rich at ibanezrules.com has it listed under 2021 new show guitars. He has this to say: IBANEZ PM25TH PAT METHENY
    (Also no price yet)

    : “PM25TH - Legendary jazz great Pat Metheny has been playing Ibanez signature guitars for 25 years and the moment is celebrated with a 25TH Anniversary model.
    THERE WERE NO SPECS RELEASED, JUST USING STANDARD JSM SPECS AND WILL UPDATE WHEN CORRECT SPECS ARE AVAILABLE.


  21. #120

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    The listing and photos of my PM200 are still up at ibanezrules so I can share too)

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    She’s here if you click on the link at the start of the paragraph there’s a bunch of pix. IBANEZ PM200NT PM200 NT BK PAT METHENY
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  22. #121

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    looks like Ibanez took down that page...

    "page not found"

    could be good or bad.....

  23. #122

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    So heres my question since im not experienced with P90s. Would a PM200 with a P90 sound all that different? How so?

  24. #123

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzkritter
    So heres my question since im not experienced with P90s. Would a PM200 with a P90 sound all that different? How so?
    I would be afraid of the feedback issues. It’s a big body guitar. I believe Ibanez put the silent 58 for a reason

  25. #124

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    I took the silent 58 off of mine, it was too bright for me especially on an all maple guitar. Replaced with a Fralin Modern PAF, which sounds great.
    But.... yep some feedback.

  26. #125

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    Yeah .. The Silent58 is ok, but a bit underwhelming ... But note that PM100 which is the predecessor to the Ibanez PM200, came with a Super58 and not Silent58. That model ran from 1996-2013.

    The silent58 was equipped on the PM120 (2000-2013) .. A thinline version that is a lot less feedback prone than the PM100

    Go figure, eh?


    At some point I think that I'm going to change the pups on my PM120. I'd love to try Jazzkritter's recommendation of the Fralin Modern PAF, but since they are US based it's too much hassle, but I'll think of something

  27. #126

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    Hi Lobo... underwhelming is a good word. It seemed to feel disconnected from playing, whereas the Fralin has a sense of connection. I’ve been surprised that Fralin’s pups don’t get more love here. lol maybe it’s like Gibson, gotta have Lollar Imperials or it doesn’t count)
    I have to believe there’s someone on your side of the puddle who could match.

  28. #127

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    Estimate body size on the potential PM25 ?

    PM2 (Discontinued in 2020?) is 15 3/4"

    PM25 looks like at least like a 16"

  29. #128

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    I dunno dude.... its all guessing. A couple of sites used existing specs and people are taking them as gospel.
    Based on the pix with Pat it sure looks like a PM200 body. But who knows?
    Maybe JBN has a live connection still at Hoshino and can get some G2???

  30. #129

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    I would guess that Pat’s prototype has the body of fg100/ jp20. Which have slightly less depth than pm100/200 etc.
    PM2 was closest to the original I think .
    let’s hope that Ibanez puts out a Japan model of the exact dimensions of the prototype. It should not be that hard...

  31. #130

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    The new issue of Jazztimes has Pat holding an interesting Ibanez.
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  32. #131

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    Hadn’t noticed before but that headstock has that odd cut out on the treble side. Also ‘non standard’ headstock inlay, truss rod cover and fret inlays. (If they do exist somewhere let me know?). Definitely a one off! If they did go into production wonder if they’d keep those oddities?
    I posted a question over at ICW if anyone knew anything about the PM 25 but no response. Perhaps a sign that not a lot is out there cause those dudes pretty much know everything Ibanez. Or they don’t like me)))

  33. #132

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzkritter View Post
    Hadn’t noticed before but that headstock has that odd cut out on the treble side. Also ‘non standard’ headstock inlay, truss rod cover and fret inlays. (If they do exist somewhere let me know?). Definitely a one off! If they did go into production wonder if they’d keep those oddities?
    I posted a question over at ICW if anyone knew anything about the PM 25 but no response. Perhaps a sign that not a lot is out there cause those dudes pretty much know everything Ibanez. Or they don’t like me)))
    Looks like gaffer tape not a truss rod cover.

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    Yep sure does. Beats the horrible goldish one on the new AF200