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    Seems like there are pretty much zilch.
    Out of the four models I know of with a single florentine (4577, 471, 477, and president (with florentine), I have only been able to find several on the market. I gather it Is not as easy a joint for luthiers to make work, as a Venetian.
    I guess maybe not too many of these were made until the 70s, a period when, I would guess, archtop guitar manufacturing was not very high priority.
    Mainly, though, it seems the 471 and 477 are as rare hen's teeth. They look so cool, I'm completely spellbound.

    Maybe I've answered my own silly questions, maybe not.
    But still would love to know anyones thoughts about these and learn more.
    Thanks very much.

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    The might all be in New Zealand.

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    They didn't make many because the rounded cutaway looks a million times cooler

    I kid. Would love to see some pics of you have any. Having trouble picturing it.

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    Lol. They're like the byrdland/l5/heritage kb florentine.

    471
    Where are the Hofner full body, (single) florentine cutaway specimens?-d85fe9a6c482fcdfbb28d34ec3b5fa6e-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by arielcee View Post
    Lol. They're like the byrdland/l5/heritage kb florentine.

    471
    Where are the Hofner full body, (single) florentine cutaway specimens?-d85fe9a6c482fcdfbb28d34ec3b5fa6e-jpg
    and that's hofner tryin to be "hip...the humbuckers and the nashville type bridge


    but really still way off..the position of the pup switch alone?!!!

    why we love 'em..those that do

    hopefully hammertone will chime in...he's the man for all things hof

    cheers

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    By the mid-1960s, when Hofner copied Gibson's Florentine cutaway archtop designs, the archtop marketplace was in sharp decline. Still, Hofner introduced the double Florentine cutaway Ambassador/4578, Florentine versions of the President/Thin President and Verythin, and then the 471 and 477.

    The market was changing so quickly around Hofner that very few of these guitars were made. Between the late 1960s and the 1990s, there were constant small changes, short production runs, and strange configurations based on using existing parts. Hofner was sold to Boosey&Hawkes in @1992, by which time Fender, Gibson, Guild, Gretsch, and all the German guitar companies except Hofner had crashed and burned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic View Post
    ...the humbuckers and the nashville type bridge...
    That 471 is a neat guitar, but, unlike the carved-top/back byrdland/l5/heritage kb florentine guitars, has laminated top and back plates.

    It also has a lot of dissonance in terms of its parts, and may have been put together at a later date. It has an older-style tailpiece and fretboard on a newer-style body. The end of the fretboard is squared-off, which is odd. The Schaller roller bridge is too new. The tuners have incorrect keystone buttons. The pickups look newer - humbuckers supplied to Hofner at that time generally had more rounded corners.
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    Here's one I put together a few years ago for a Toronto artist, with parts retrieved from the Sudbury Stash.
    -17" wide, 2" deep thinline
    -laminated top/sides/back
    -Gibson-style humbucking pickups
    -Gibson Les Paul Custom fretboard
    -bolt-on Hofner neck glued into place
    I still have a few bodies and necks in the bunker, including two 16" thinline Florentine President bodies. I'll dig up some pix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone View Post
    Here's one I put together a few years ago for a Toronto artist, with parts retrieved from the Sudbury Stash.
    -17" wide, 2" deep thinline
    -laminated top/sides/back
    -Gibson-style humbucking pickups
    -Gibson Les Paul Custom fretboard
    -bolt-on Hofner neck glued into place
    I still have a few bodies and necks in the bunker, including two 16" thinline Florentine President bodies. I'll dig up some pix.
    Beautiful!
    I was eyeing this one on reverb. One you put together?
    Hofner "Sudbury Stash" President 1960's Ruby | Reverb

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    I was serious when I said you might find Hofners in New Zealand. They seem to have been sent here in large numbers. Selmer had a distribution deal with Hofner for the Commonwealth. About twenty years ago, old Hofners were to be found in large numbers in guitar shops, antique shops and junk shops. But that was before collecting guitars became fashionable. Occasionally, they turn up in guitar shops, but you are just as likely to see them in real estate advertisements, decorating somebody's lifestyle residence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arielcee View Post
    Beautiful!
    I was eyeing this one on reverb. One you put together?
    Hofner "Sudbury Stash" President 1960's Ruby | Reverb
    Yes. It's one of the "Sudbury Stash" guitars as well, but was a completed instrument when I got it. It's not like a President, but like a Senator in a custom colour, with a laminated maple top, rims and back. Based on that redburst, it was probably intended for Pohlert, who ordered a few variations on standard Hofner archtop models, all with the same redburst colour. The floating pickup is a stock Hofner OEM unit from FUMA - very similar to a Dearmond. This model has a built-in sliding volume control on the bass side. The Grover Rotomatics are a later addition, but can easily be replaced with more suitable retro-style tuners. The bridge is stock, but complete tone-sucking garbage - black plastic with white plastic sliding inserts for intonation. I'd replace it with very similar-looking bridge that Teller still makes, in rosewood or ebony. Rosewood would match the fretboard nicely.

    This guitar was originally built sometime between 1961 and 1966 (there is probably a date written or stamped under the top, but I don't remember it). It was never sold. It was as-new when I sold it to a friend of mine in @1993. He didn't play it much, and it lived in its case from then until 2016, when he sold it. This particular guitar has a very playable '60s Hofner neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arielcee View Post
    The Selmer Diplomat is essentially a President with Selmer markings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arielcee View Post
    Seems like there are pretty much zilch.
    Out of the four models I know of with a single florentine (4577, 471, 477, and president (with florentine), I have only been able to find several on the market. I gather it Is not as easy a joint for luthiers to make work, as a Venetian.
    I guess maybe not too many of these were made until the 70s, a period when, I would guess, archtop guitar manufacturing was not very high priority.
    Mainly, though, it seems the 471 and 477 are as rare hen's teeth. They look so cool, I'm completely spellbound.

    Maybe I've answered my own silly questions, maybe not.
    But still would love to know anyones thoughts about these and learn more.
    Thanks very much.
    Hi ArielCee, Hammertone & Members - Saw this thread and joined today. The UPS van man just dropped off yesterday a carton containing my dream Hofner - the only Hofner I've ever purchased or wanted since my first Tatra guitar back in 1963. It's a "Hofner President Blond - model 5115/06", 25 & 1/4" scale, 16 & 1/4" wide, 3 & 1/4"deep, a gorgeous aged amber blond, non-electric, with all-solid woods and what seems to be a 2-piece carved top and ditto back. No cracks, breaks or repairs, and an impressive tone and resonance. I feel incredibly lucky to have found this amazing old 1967-ish archtop (I think it's called being in the honeymoon period!)

    The guitar is eventually going for a refret (has worn, very flat frets, & a few finger cavities behind the first 3 - 4 frets) and will have fitted floating pickup and replacement pickguard as per photos. Purists will hate me, but the original Ambassador-type 'guard shape just doesn't do it for me (the original on this guitar had been horribly 'butchered' anyway). Old master art works? fine for a museum visit - but would you really want one in the house ? Not so with an archtop !

    Hope you all like the poor quality photos. As an 8-year old kid growing up in London, U.K., I would walk across Finsbury Park to the Berry Pianos shop at Haringay - where the window was actually full of 60's German solid, flat-top and archtop guitars - and drool like a mesmerised fool for 10 minutes, then walk home again. It's not so very different today, as the experience of unwrapping, cleaning, and eventually watching an ace luthier (not me, I hasten to add) restore a mojo-heavy old archtop never fails to excite and reward. Where are the Hofner full body, (single) florentine cutaway specimens?-20191017_160918-jpgWhere are the Hofner full body, (single) florentine cutaway specimens?-20191017_161000-jpgWhere are the Hofner full body, (single) florentine cutaway specimens?-20191017_161118-jpgAnd truly - if someone now offered me a Super 400 tomorrow, I'd reply, "No thank you, Sir! - this one does the trick nicely!"


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    Is that a local newspaper? You don’t seem them often, these days.

    Nice guitar, by the way.

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    Beautiful guitar. Any plans to electrify it? Floater?
    Or acoustic goodness only...

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    Yes, I will ask my refurbing luthier to electrify it (I do the occasional college jazz workshop thing), though I expect mostly it'll be played unamplified at home. I bought a Kent Armstrong adjustable pole piece single coil floater from Archtop.Com some years back - supposedly similar-sounding to the De Armond #1000. It's been sitting in the cupboard since then, but the substantial depth between string height & guitar top on this Hofner 5115/06 means I can now finally fit it and hear it.

    Nothing really beats that De Armond 'Rhythm Chief' sound for me however - turn up the volume and listen to Les Spann's arpeggios behind Eddie 'Lockjaw' Davis on 'Green Dolphin Street' (from the album 'Lock - The Fox' - sheer magic!). With a guitar like Les's Guild A-500 played finger-style, you get that glorious acoustic overlay on top of the electric sound - like a thick layer of icing on a cake. I'm not sure the re-issue ones have that magical ingredient?..….. although re-sellers are pricing them as though they had.

    Also - check out the slowest-ever version of 'I let a song go out of my heart' (featuring Les Spann plus Red Garland Trio) on YouTube:

    'Red Garland Trio - I Let A Song Go Out Of My Heart'

    This is a lovely crystal-clear 'lost' 7-minute track - never re-issued and appearing only once on a 1962 Riverside compilation of Ellington tunes (Vol.2). It was a leftover instrumental track - from the session band that recorded behind vocal group 'The Metronomes' on their 1962 album 'Something Big'.

    The roughly 'butchered' original President pickguard fitted to my Hofner had an old chrome 'Zim-Gar' floater attached (see 2 x photos below). These are not often seen, but I think they're a 1960's Japanese-made pickup. This one has adjustable pole pieces but also a tiny De Armond jack socket, requiring the specialised mini-jack. The UK seller couldn't test it as he didn't have one of these (one reason nobody bid for the guitar; the other was that his mobile phone photos - just like mine - indicated it was an unattractive whitish colour when actually it's more of a lovely aged honey). Last week I saw a monkey-on-a-stick version of the same 'Zim-Gar' pickup on E-Bay.Com for $333.00 - so that's no toy.

    ArielCee originally asked why these 5115/06 models don't seem to be out visibly 'out there' - I think the reason is only around 250 seem to have been made during the1966 - 68 production period, and most of these I think with built-in pickups & tone & volume controls. The various Hofner websites seem to suggest this, and I've seen only one Hofner Florentine deep body 5115/06 on Reverb.com in the last year (wine-coloured, with an AZ-48 pickup). I nearly bought it - but it was visibly tattier than this blonde one, so I'm glad I held off !

    Finally, they talk about on-line Casino addiction, but you can get hooked on E-Bay too, where I found this old Hofner. So I won't be buying any more guitars for the next decade - just restoring and appreciating the ones I have.


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