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My only concern is that the Crimson guys all get there jobs back and Gibson archtops start rolling off the assembly line again including 175’s. I can care less about anything else as long as Gibson is still a USA made guitar.
LONG LIVE GIBSON ! and no I don’t see Chibson happening.
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05-01-2018 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dallasblues
Originally Posted by Almeisan
Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
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Standard operating procedures of KKR—purchasing businesses, adding debt, minimising taxes, cutting costs (and facilities and employment), extracting large fees. Gibson will survive but probably won't look the same could be good or not so good for guitar players.
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Gibson should have started to grow their own trees. But since trees take a long time to mature, they needed to do this when my L-7 was made back in the 50s!
Last edited by jameslovestal; 05-01-2018 at 04:39 PM.
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Originally Posted by LtKojak
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What's the over/under on this thread for:
Total posts?
Number of people who announce they're quitting the forum?
I'm guessing 245 and 6
John
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In days like this I get that terrible feeling that may be I didn't do enough. I should've bought that custom shop LP last year and how about that L-5 Wes-Mo the other day. I could've done more. We all could.
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I am not the most informed person on this one. I wonder, though, why Gibson thought it could make a go of Baldwin Pianos and Instruments when Gretsch couldn't? The piano business (at least in the US) is in the tank. China builds pianos for about 17-cents apiece, or something like that. Henry J, et al., grabbed Baldwin and didn't make a dime, as far as I can tell.
Same thing with Phillips and with Onkyo.
Shoulda stuck with Gibson-logo yoga pants.
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Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus
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Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
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Sad for those employees in the states and abroad that will suffer from this. Looks like the audio businesses will be shuttered. Many will be uprooted for poor choices made by a few elites.
My background is engineering and business rather than music. Which doesn't mean I know anything but it does make me more opinionated on this sort of thing.
- Whoever manages Gibson (current team named as 'transition' which can mean anything) will be under great pressure to show short term profit. Not long term vision. Gibson will focus on their most profitable models and trim out the rest.
- They will move manufacturing where it makes the most business sense to have it. One does not have to look at too many other big guitar makers to see what that means. Maybe keep a halo and/or set up business in the states. Could be wrong. Some companies rely on a populist 'Made in USA' tag. Don't think the numbers will support it though.
- There is a lot of analysis going on right now by the lenders to see how they can lose the least in this deal. There are a lot of considerations (jazz guitar players not being one of them). Financial houses don't manufacture guitars or have an emotional stake. If they make more selling the name, they'll sell it.
- The high end Gibson archtop as we've known it, will no longer be made.
- Some think used Gibson prices will now go up. If there were a demand for archtops, maybe. Those in the know might see some bargains. As for the rest, wouldn't bet on it. I think the new Gibson will dilute the brand.. though maybe be better made than we've seen recently.
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Originally Posted by Greentone
John
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For what it's worth, which is nothing at all, as I know diddly squat, I think they will have to be made in the USA. There are lots of good brands made in the far east already. A guitar is not really like a drill, phone or food mixer, it is more than purely functional, and for many there is quite an emotional investment and even identity wrapped up in their choice of instrument. I think the Gibson customer wants a USA guitar. I bet the old Orville by Gibson guitars were pretty good as were the Epiphone Elitists, and even though they are highly thought of, enthusiasts aspire to own the real thing, whether that is logical or not! I certainly don't understand why Gibson can't make a massive profit on every guitar if Mark Camellone can make a living charging less than Gibson does for a bespoke instrument!
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Originally Posted by plasticpigeon
IMHO they will be shooting themselves in the foot and other tender areas if they don't make Gibson in the US.
Fender tried it in the late 80s and it didn't take them long to bring bake a US made line of guitars.
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i don't think the market will bare an expensive american-made instrument. The labor costs are too high here and the older, baby-boomer population are selling their collections, not acquiring more. These forums with guys who have 25+ archtops are not representative of the market as a whole.
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Originally Posted by jzucker
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Gibson will be owned by someone else.
Gibsons will be made overseas in 2020(China} and their Custom Shops will still be made in the states.
Too many companies making guitars and most are overseas......JT
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
The guitar business has sales of $1B per year. How's that compare to your business?
Those others know how to make something for everyone? Well Gibson does too, they have models in all ranges. But like Martin they're known for the good stuff. It's what people expect of them. They call that "branding".
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Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt
If gibson wants to morph into heritage, hand-making 50 guitars a month that's one thing but I don't see that happening.
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus
The phrase is "serves at their pleasure", not "leisure".
And yes, darn right it's their pleasure. They trust him to know how to run Gibson better than any of them do (Easy to say given that they know absolutely nothing. If they did he would be gone).
CEOs of publicly traded companies serve at the pleasure of the board. They have a salary and stock options. They have contracts. They are hired help. So now he is in a similar position.
So?
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Originally Posted by jzucker
So does Gibson. They call them Epiphones.
And you're right. Gibson doesn't want to morph into Heritage. Heritage may have dreamed of the reverse though. Or maybe not, whatever. Nobody gives two craps about Heritage and they never have.
If Gibson wanted to become Heritage no bailout would be in play.
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