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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    I was going to be quite happy with a deluxe but my wife said to get the special. She likes the abalone bling.
    Another lover of the Abalone bling. Thanks for sharing. 'Go big or Go home' as the saying goes. It will be well worth it in the end. I don't think I have ever said 'I really like that guitar except for the abalone bling'.

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    A follow-up question - - has anyone determined why his ( bound ) guitars are lighter in weight than Gibsons ? I heard the top carve mentioned - -is he taking more off, and ending up with an Epi thickness, or is there something else ?

    And yes that Cameo is a knockout !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis D
    A follow-up question - - has anyone determined why his ( bound ) guitars are lighter in weight than Gibsons ? I heard the top carve mentioned - -is he taking more off, and ending up with an Epi thickness, or is there something else ?

    And yes that Cameo is a knockout !
    Thicker than which Gibsons? My understanding is that the Gibson arch tops got thicker and heavier built as the years went by in order to avoid getting too many warranty repairs. Hence a 1950s ES-175 is far lighter than the contemporary tank. I've only played 1990s era L5s, but have read on the net that the 60's and earlier versions were also lighter (remember, Putin says if you see it on the internet it must be true!).

    You see the thinner top complaint about Heritage too. But, if you're making smaller numbers of guitars, you don't have the same concerns as post-Beatles Gibson and can make the tops thinner and the instruments lighter.

    I have not had the opportunity to play a Campellone, but with Heritage and Gibson Custom Shop largely down and out it seems like he's the last one standing for purchasing a new Gibson style arch top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingeneri
    Thicker than which Gibsons? My understanding is that the Gibson arch tops got thicker and heavier built as the years went by in order to avoid getting too many warranty repairs. Hence a 1950s ES-175 is far lighter than the contemporary tank. I've only played 1990s era L5s, but have read on the net that the 60's and earlier versions were also lighter (remember, Putin says if you see it on the internet it must be true!).

    You see the thinner top complaint about Heritage too. But, if you're making smaller numbers of guitars, you don't have the same concerns as post-Beatles Gibson and can make the tops thinner and the instruments lighter.

    I have not had the opportunity to play a Campellone, but with Heritage and Gibson Custom Shop largely down and out it seems like he's the last one standing for purchasing a new Gibson style arch top.
    My first hunch was that he was that if his are lighter, perhaps he's taking it out of the binding, reminding me of Jimmy D'A's preferences. I don't know whether his instruments are lighter than a Gibson, I just remember reading that here.

  6. #55
    Ordered it. Mark is a super nice guy. Very accommodating. He knows exactly what I want. He starts on it in a week.
    5AAA woods with sunglasses required to avoid retina damage.

  7. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    Ordered it. Mark is a super nice guy. Very accommodating. He knows exactly what I want. He starts on it in a week.
    5AAA woods with sunglasses required to avoid retina damage.

    Congrats !

    I get the feeling he's going to get busier building instruments for the 'smart money'.

    And rightfully so.

  8. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingeneri
    Thicker than which Gibsons? My understanding is that the Gibson arch tops got thicker and heavier built as the years went by in order to avoid getting too many warranty repairs. Hence a 1950s ES-175 is far lighter than the contemporary tank. I've only played 1990s era L5s, but have read on the net that the 60's and earlier versions were also lighter (remember, Putin says if you see it on the internet it must be true!).

    You see the thinner top complaint about Heritage too. But, if you're making smaller numbers of guitars, you don't have the same concerns as post-Beatles Gibson and can make the tops thinner and the instruments lighter.

    I have not had the opportunity to play a Campellone, but with Heritage and Gibson Custom Shop largely down and out it seems like he's the last one standing for purchasing a new Gibson style arch top.
    This was the way my guitar tech in Menlo Park (Dave Tupper) explained it to me. He had quite a collection of instruments and showed me by examples in his inventory...

  9. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingeneri
    Thicker than which Gibsons? My understanding is that the Gibson arch tops got thicker and heavier built as the years went by in order to avoid getting too many warranty repairs. Hence a 1950s ES-175 is far lighter than the contemporary tank. I've only played 1990s era L5s, but have read on the net that the 60's and earlier versions were also lighter (remember, Putin says if you see it on the internet it must be true!).

    You see the thinner top complaint about Heritage too. But, if you're making smaller numbers of guitars, you don't have the same concerns as post-Beatles Gibson and can make the tops thinner and the instruments lighter.

    I have not had the opportunity to play a Campellone, but with Heritage and Gibson Custom Shop largely down and out it seems like he's the last one standing for purchasing a new Gibson style arch top.
    I think the heavier builds on modern Gibsons is also about feedback resistance. By the 70's, guitars were being played LOUD! There is more acoustic tone in the lighter builds. If you compare a new figured 175 against the 59 VOS 175 you will feel (the 59VOS is a pound lighter) and hear the difference. My experience with 90's Gibsons is that they are not as lightly built as the 50's/60's builds, but are more lightly built that the 70's/80's Gibsons and the Gibsons built since 2000. IMO, the 90's Gibsons are the best of both worlds. But is all about preference, none is right or wrong.

    The Heritage founders wanted to create a different guitar than the modern Gibsons and carved a thinner top. Due to design choices and wood choices, they have their own sound, often brighter than a modern or vintage Gibson counterpart. Again, it is all about preference, none is right or wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    Ordered it. Mark is a super nice guy. Very accommodating. He knows exactly what I want. He starts on it in a week.
    5AAA woods with sunglasses required to avoid retina damage.
    Did Mr. Campellone mention what the expected TAT would be for your new guitar? I can feel the excitement all the way over here BTW!

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    The density of the wood plays a big factor too. I have 3 newish L5 Wesmo’s. Weight difference is quite noticeable between the 3 exact same models. The 2008 is the heaviest and the 2016 is the lightest with the 2010 being in the middle. On the heaviest you can’t even see any spruce lines as the grain is that tight. On the 2016 the spruce lines are very wide. Maple can really vary in weight too.

  12. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by helios
    Did Mr. Campellone mention what the expected TAT would be for your new guitar? I can feel the excitement all the way over here BTW!

    ETA July.

  13. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
    This was the way my guitar tech in Menlo Park (Dave Tupper) explained it to me. He had quite a collection of instruments and showed me by examples in his inventory...

    Hey Mike I remember Dave. Man that goes way back in time.

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    Good luck, Vinny, though I doubt you'll need it.

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    July?! That's less time than I'd have imagined. Sunburst? 18"? Although I heard Mark's no longer building 18's. That 18" Special is a find. If only it was natural. Congrats Vinny!

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    I have to admit to some envy, Vinny. I'm happy for you. Someday, I hope to be suffering the same anticipation as you.

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    July of THIS year? How is that even possible?


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    He builds batches of 6 at a time. My batch due in July or so. Batch after that early winter and so on.

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    I wonder why no more 18"s?
    Mark's guitars have always been a good bang for the buck, well made, sound good, consistent quality.
    Interesting to note that while many of the top builders have doubled, tripled their prices or more in the last 5-10 yrs, Mark has been one of the few that has remained reasonable. It's baffling that it's hard to get your $ back if you decide to sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    I wonder why no more 18"s?
    Mark's guitars have always been a good bang for the buck, well made, sound good, consistent quality.
    Interesting to note that while many of the top builders have doubled, tripled their prices or more in the last 5-10 yrs, Mark has been one of the few that has remained reasonable. It's baffling that it's hard to get your $ back if you decide to sell.
    I noticed that too. I noticed too that there are not nearly as many Campy's on the used market as there were even 3 years ago. Folks obviously are keeping them, as well they should. Far and away the best priced American made archtop guitar with name recognition, especially now since Heritage is no longer producing archtops.

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    Well JD, at the most recently convened meeting
    of the Archtops Acquisition Comittee , Mrs Vinny
    Vice President in the chair. It was agreed that
    Vinny could purchase a Campellone , forsaking
    all others. You might be correct however,
    that some subversive activity may take place
    in the interim., having been carefully schooled
    in the black arts , as all “ 00 “ agents are trained
    those of us skilled in this realm have expertise
    above and beyond the call of duty.
    This may incur the penalty of a UFO attack, in
    the form of Cast Iron Frying Pans.
    Fortunately “M” will be on hand to deal with
    dissidents. During this period the wearing of
    Kevlar helmets and protective Vests is advisable .

    007

  22. #71
    007 ( my nickname for silverfoxx ) is stoking the coals. You are all a bunch of enablers. The constant devils whispering in my ear. Not to mention Big Joe emailing me constant Reverb ads.

  23. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfoxx
    Well JD, at the most recently convened meeting
    of the Archtops Acquisition Comittee , Mrs Vinny
    Vice President in the chair. It was agreed that
    Vinny could purchase a Campellone , forsaking
    all others. You might be correct however,
    that some subversive activity may take place
    in the interim., having been carefully schooled
    in the black arts , as all “ 00 “ agents are trained
    those of us skilled in this realm have expertise
    above and beyond the call of duty.
    This may incur the penalty of a UFO attack, in
    the form of Cast Iron Frying Pans.
    Fortunately “M” will be on hand to deal with
    dissidents. During this period the wearing of
    Kevlar helmets and protective Vests is advisable .

    007
    You aint kidding Foxman.
    Vinny was funny. Last time.. He said, "Hey, we're even. I bought her a new washer machine".. I almost gave myself a hernia laughing so hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    007 ( my nickname for silverfoxx ) is stoking the coals. You are all a bunch of enablers. The constant devils whispering in my ear. Not to mention Big Joe emailing me constant Reverb ads.
    Just remember my prediction Mr Vincent.. One of them will be a Black one. Probably with one set in pickup..

    L,J

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    If I had gotten into jazz guitar back in the 70's or even early 90's I'd own a slew of L5's, Super 400's, Campellone's, and Trenier's. Instead of buying audio gear I would have been buying guitars. But when you miss the cheap buying curve you're lucky to own 1 of those great Gibson's purchased after 2010. I feel gratitude to own 1.

  25. #74
    Mark emailed me today and said he would send pics of the entire build process. That makes it even more exciting. Matt Cushman did that. Makes the build quite fun.

  26. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    Mark emailed me today and said he would send pics of the entire build process. That makes it even more exciting. Matt Cushman did that. Makes the build quite fun.
    Mark did that for me too. He is a terrific guy and he makes amazing guitars.
    Keith

  27. #76
    I know Campellones check easily as he still uses old school nitro compared to the nitro blend used on modern Gibsons.
    Also his finish is applied thinner than a Gibson. Most used Campellones that I have seen have some amount of checking. I have seen many over the years at archtop.com with some minor checking.

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    Certainly nothing against Campellone’s . They are fine Archtops and I always look to buy them.

    In fact , the one I will be posting shortly from the Ted Krause Collection has some fine checking on back.
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    The thing about old violins is all that checking and imperfections of the finish drives me crazy in a good way. You just want to touch it, play it, hear it.

    That said, maybe not in a 2016 instrument.

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    I've been away for over a month and finally getting caught up enough to see what you all have been up to on the forum. One of the first posts that I opened is this one, asking about Campellone. It obviously is getting toward the end of Winter because the thread makes me believe that there is a serious case of cabin fever (and GAS) going down and people are getting itchy for spring. This thread took me a half hour to get through, and I was speed reading. Holy Smokes! 162 replies.

    I will only add a congratulations to Vinny on your Campellone order, since I own one. You are in for a Special treat. I love mine. I also enjoyed the many stories and generally friendly nature of them. What a great group of archtop guitar lovers.

    Here's my Campellone:

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    Thank you sky !

  32. #81

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    September 1993 (almost 25 years ago):
    Mark Campellone was advertising in places like Twentieth Century Guitar and Vintage Guitar magazine "Archtop builder. Traditionally styled, acoustic and electric models. For free information package, write or call ...".
    He's at:
    MCampellone.com | archtop guitars

    Here are various used/vintage archtop listing asking prices from September 1993:

    ’28 L-5 ------------------------------------ $10,000 - Guitarville
    ’29 L-5 ------------------------------------ $15,000 - Guitarville
    ’30s Epi Broadway Masterbuilt----------- $2,500 - Guitarville
    ’30s L-4 ----------------------------------- $1,850 - Guitarville
    ’30s L-7 Advanced ----------------------- $2,500 - Guitarville
    ’37 ES-150--------------------------------- $3,950 - Guitarville
    ’37 L5 ------------------------------------- $2,500 - Elderly
    ’38 ES-150-------------------------------- $3,750 - Guitarville
    ’38 L-7 - added humbucker -------------- $975 - Guitarville
    ’38 Super 400 SB ------------------------- $7,500 - Guitar Broker
    ’43 D’A Excel ------------------------------- $20,000 - Tom Van Hoose
    ’47 L-7 - w/pickup ------------------------- $2,500 - Guitarville
    ’48 L5 --------------------------------------- $3,800 - Northeastern
    ’52 Super 400CN - McCarty ----------------- $20,000 - Guitar Broker
    ’53 ES-5 SB --------------------------------- $5,000 - Guitarville
    ’56 ES-175D SB PAF ------------------------ $2,000 - Elderly
    ’56 ES-295 ---------------------------------- $4,000 - Southworth
    ’56 Switchmaster N ------------------------- $6,500 - Southworth
    ’57 ES-175D SB pre-PAFs ------------------- $2,895 - Gulf Coast
    ’59 ES-350TN - PAFs ------------------------- $3,850 - Elderly
    ’59 Gertsch CC N ----------------------------- $2,500 - Northeastern
    ’61 Super 400CES SB, PAFs ----------------- $20,000 - Guitarville
    ’62 L-4C - SB - JS pickup -------------------- $1,500 - Buck Sulcer
    ’62 L-5C - Iced Tea burst, JS pickup -------- $7,500 - Guitar Broker
    ’64 Byrdland SB ----------------------------- $2,500 - Elderly
    ’65 ES-175D SB ------------------------------ $1,600 - Elderly
    ’65 Super 400CES PAFs - Iced Tea burst --- $15,000 - Guitar Broker
    ’66 L-5CESN ---------------------------------- $6,500 - Guitarville
    ’66 Super 400CESN -------------------------- $8,500 - Elderly
    ’68 BK Custom ------------------------------- $1,800 - Northeastern
    ’68 Byrdland refin dark green --------------- $1,850 - Elderly
    ’68 ES-175N ---------------------------------- $1,350 - Northeastern
    ’68 Super 400CESN -------------------------- $8,500 - Elderly
    ’69 Byrdland SB------------------------------- $3,500 - Guitarville
    ’90 L-5CES SB -------------------------------- $3,300 - Elderly
    ’91 Guild X-170 ------------------------------- $1,100 - New Hope
    Fender D’Aquisto Standard - black ---------- $1,195 - Gulf Coast
    'xx Super 300 --------------------------------- $2,900 - Northeastern
    ’91 L-5CES - diamond soundholes,Cobalt Blue - CS - $3,995 - Gulf Coast - I remember playing this one
    Triggs Key Largo - 16” D’A style,custom paint - $7,995 - Gulf Coast - I remember playing this one
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    AFAIK Bob hasn't been building guitars for some time, other than for the occasional special project. He comes in once a month or so and signs the back of the pegheads. He's old, like many of us, and is at least semi-retired. I don't begrudge him that one bit. Damon Mailand was Bob's apprentice for years, and has been doing the job himself for a good while. He doesn't do everything himself, but oversees the process. So if you buy a new Benedetto, it won't be built by Bob, but he still signs off on the guitars. I don't think the quality has suffered, and a Benedetto would still be my first choice for a new high-end guitar, if I ever do buy one. So far everything has been bought used, dictated by economics.

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    I was In Seattle today and saw the Campellone at Archtop.com, and It looks in perfect condition. What a fine piece to behold!
    I have a newfound respect for Mr. Campellone, as I have never seen his work before. The image understates the actual guitar.
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    First time I played a Campellone, I was blown away! Made me a believer. You're going to love the guitar.

  36. #85
    Mark Campellone's attention to detail is incredible. Like Matt Cushman a super nice guy also. Mark also makes a 24.6 scale 17x2.5 model. I am thinking of selling my Byrdland and getting that model too.

    I like the way he does the tongue like a Guild AA. No possibility of a tail rise like a 1 piece Gibson neck. You have the ability to adjust the fall off when the neck is set unlike a Gibson.

  37. #86

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    Vinny,
    You can see that Mark has perfected his build process. His workmanship IS impeccable and the shop is immaculate. Sort of like a Steve Andersen of the east coast. Ive owned several Campellones, and all of them were very good. You will be very impresssed with the finished product and likely buy another.

    Your build is tempting me to order one, but I just have too many guitars and likely be scaling back soon.

    Thanks for sharing your excitement !



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    Steve I believe I have found my kind of a builder. He is anal just like me. He won't go to bed if there is sawdust on the shop floor. Joe told me your shop is the same way. You can eat off the floor. God bless my friend....V

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    Steve I believe I have found my kind of a builder. He is anal just like me. He won't go to bed if there is sawdust on the shop floor. Joe told me your shop is the same way. You can eat off the floor. God bless my friend....V
    Vinny,
    I believe you have found the right builder for your needs.
    Marks fit , finish and acoustic responsiveness will delight you for sure. The neck will be dead straight, set up perfect and you will be proud of owning one ( or two). It will sound like a great L5 - very vibrant like the early post war period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QAman
    Vinny,
    You can see that Mark has perfected his build process. His workmanship IS impeccable and the shop is immaculate. Sort of like a Steve Andersen of the east coast. Ive owned several Campellones, and all of them were very good. You will be very impresssed with the finished product and likely buy another.

    Your build is tempting me to order one, but I just have too many guitars and likely be scaling back soon.

    Thanks for sharing your excitement !



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    I agree. I have owned two Campellones and they have been amazing. I sold my first one when I ordered the one I have now. I wish I had kept both. Mark is a really great builder.
    Keith

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    Boy, does this bring back memories. (Mark must be getting a little faster, my standard thin-line Campellone didn't get to this stage until early July, if I remember correctly.) Here are a couple of shots of mine in Mark's shop from two years ago.

    What a treasure you'll have when it's done. Enjoy the anticipation!


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    Wood "in the white" has a beauty all its own. These pix are a priceless record of the process, "baby pictures," if you will. I admire your self-control, Vinny. I would be sleepless with anticipation. Stay strong!

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    bmw2002, I have decided to get one more like yours. A standard with pearl dot inlays 17x 2.25 body.
    Amberburst with the Wesmo pickup configuration which is my go to choice. I dislike 2 pickup guitars.
    I have yet to see a pic of his shop with sawdust anywhere.
    He told me he is a one man show now. His helper retired. Mark is my age so like me is slowing down.
    He told me the most he can build now is 18 a year but realistically around 12. With his helper he was building around 25 a year. If you guys want one I would not wait to long. Father Time takes no prisoners.

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    Very nice, very clean. I note the plastic binding. It is something I debate with students who feel that plastic is too déclassé for a custom build. I believe PERFECT plastic bindings are better than poorly executed wood bindings. I assume that is a ~$10K build, and looks every bit the part.

    When I grow up I want a shop that clean and work that neat. Just a treat to watch come together. Will it be a blonde, or will it get some coloring?

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    Being built with care and precision. You are going to love this guitar.

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    Vinny,

    The reason I dropped my plan to acquire another L-5 is I realized that I prefer a short scale (25 inches or less). 9 of my 14 guitars are short scale and the other 5 are long scale. I find that I mostly play the short scale guitars. I suspect that once you have this hand carved 17 inch short scale guitar in your hands, the long scale Gibsons will spend more and more time in their cases. That is until you sell them to commission more guitars from Mark

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    Marco he also offers a 24.6 scale length version. This one will be 25 inch. I agree bro.
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    This is not going to be a popular sentiment. Sorry, up front. As a pianist, I prefer the sound of pianos with longer scales...to a point. (I wouldn't want a 12 foot grand.) Spinet pianos sound stubby, to me.

    Similarly, guitars with 25-1/2" scales sound richer to me. Now, I love the ES175, but prefer the ES350.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone
    This is not going to be a popular sentiment. Sorry, up front. As a pianist, I prefer the sound of pianos with longer scales...to a point. (I wouldn't want a 12 foot grand.) Spinet pianos sound stubby, to me.

    Similarly, guitars with 25-1/2" scales sound richer to me. Now, I love the ES175, but prefer the ES350.
    It is all a matter of taste. The Gypsy jazz guys like a 26.3 scale. To them 25.5 is short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustavo Eiriz
    Vinny: since I am also interested in ordering one whenever you have a chance to play it please tell us the difference in the amplified sound between Marks guitar and L-5s.
    Thanks so much... And congratulations.
    I can share some personal observations about Campellones vs. L5’s. I currently have a Campellone Special with a floating pickup and a 1963 L5C with a Johnny Smith pickup. My Campellone is the shorter “Johnny Smith” sized body with a 25” scale, so it is not exactly the same as an L5. I did, however, own a Campellone Deluxe before this one, which was exactly the same size and scale of an L5. My experience has been that my Campellones sound a little different than my L5C (and other L5 acoustics that I have played). My L5 is brighter, while my Campellones have both been a little warmer and more “modern” sounding, if you know what I mean. My previous L5 sized Campellone was louder acoustically than my current one and probably a little louder than the L5C. I have had lots of high end guitars, including a vintage D’Angelico, and I think the Campellone Deluxe that I regrettably sold, was probably the best sounding guitar I have ever owned. If I ordered another one, I would probably go back to the L5 body and scale, in hopes of recapturing the sound of the one I used to have. I have the highest regard for Mark’s guitars and also for Mark personally. I highly recommend him.
    Keith
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    My Campellone Special has a built in KA pu 17x3 25 inch scale. It is a acoustic cannon. Amplified it has a very warm clear tone slightly more acoustic than a L5 but not overly bright. It has a real nice clarity that my L5’s do not. It is kind of like comparing 2 L5’s. One with brand new strings and the other with very old strings. Basically L5 tone with more definition. To me it is like a L5 and a Golden Eagle mated and gave birth and the baby was this Campellone. The Campellone I have is simply outstanding in all departments. Really happy with it. Flawless build too.