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    I was in my local Guitar Center when I happened upon a (2013 ? ) Ibanez LGB30, the first I've experienced first hand, tagged at $750 in near new condition.
    Are any of you guys familiar with this model ? How does it compare with the the Epiphone ES-175 Premium or Eastman AR372 ( nitro finish) in your view ?

    UPDATE: I just read several pages ( and seen pics) here at JG about Ibanez archtop guitar tailpieces self destructing, cracking, breaking under the stress of .012-.013 guitar strings. This is very unsettling to say the least. Would you re-think this purchase ?









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    I love LGB30 . To me it sounds head and shoulders better than the 372 which sounds nasally and very unlike the 175 it looks like. The LGB sounds like a cross between a GB10 and an L5 to me. very high quality. The only negative is that it's fairly heavy. The one I tried was around 8.5lbs.

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    I had the 371 for a while, two of my students have the LGB30. They are both very different instruments, and shouldn't really be compared, as they do different jobs. The 371 had more of an amplified acoustic sound and feel, whereas the LGB (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual?) 30 is definitely an electric guitar. Your choice should depend on your intended use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post
    I had the 371 for a while, two of my students have the LGB30. They are both very different instruments, and shouldn't really be compared, as they do different jobs. The 371 had more of amplified acoustic sound and feel, whereas the LGB (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual?) 30 is definitely an electric guitar. Your choice should depend on your intended use.

    Rob you're slaying me man... LGB...
    Little Georgie Benson, it was what he was called when very young.

    I think most of the GB models are built for stage use - in other words built to be played loud on stage, they're overbuilt... All I ever read about the 371 and the John Pisano version, the 372, was how the laminates were thinner, more like the old original ES175s of yore...

    So both are right, they're not really good comparisons.
    Rob is right, what you choose depends on how you'll use (oh I did a rhyme).

    Big

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    If I did not already have one, I'd be on the phone with GC about that Joe Pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ View Post

    Rob you're slaying me man... LGB...
    Little Georgie Benson, it was what he was called when very young.
    I knew that, Big. Just having a little fun.

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    The LGB30 I tried out was wonderful
    Yeah its a heavy build,
    not much acoustic volume
    but very smooth playing with a good warm sound ...
    with a lovely playing neck/fb ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post
    I knew that, Big. Just having a little fun.

    It was priceless man !!

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    It is going to sound a lot better once you remove the foam plastic sheet under the bridge. With that on, you know that it has never been owned. Or maybe the previous owner just preferred the sound that way.

    It is probably new old stock. Good guitar.

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    The ser# is S14030567, can anyone tell me where/ when it was made ? Am assuming China but could the 'S' stand for the Samick factory in Korea ?
    Last edited by electricfactory; 01-27-2018 at 10:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    It is going to sound a lot better once you remove the foam plastic sheet under the bridge. With that on, you know that it has never been owned. Or maybe the previous owner just preferred the sound that way.

    It is probably new old stock. Good guitar.
    I've met several people that bought Ibanez guitars that never even ocurred to them that they could remove the foam under the bridge. I even had one angry customer that, after doing a "deluxe" setup on it I returned the instrument without the foam patch under the bridge, and it took several minutes and a great deal of strengh on my part to avoid completely lose faith on the human race to convince him that that was the "right thing" to do.

    When I see or hear these kind of things, I just can't help to think about mother nature being unfair when she gave'em opposable thumbs to forementioned individuals...
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    That tailpiece is identical to the one on my AF125. Yes, they do tend to break under the stress of heavier strings. If you are determined to use a 12 or 13 set then this is not the guitar for you.

    I have owned my AF125 for three years or so and play an 11-48 set with absolutely no issues.

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    Tailpiece replacements on Ebay , Alibaba, etc. from China - are these inexpensive to have a tech install for .012s on LGB30 or are there many different sizes etc . I suppose the screw holes might not line up ...
    But is it major or minor surgery to install new tailpiece?

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    Here's a replacement tailpiece specifically for LBG30 & AF guitars that is way better than the stock Ibanez...

    Ibanez AF105, AF125, LGB30, AFJ91 etc replacement bronze | Reverb

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    Replacing a tailpiece should be an easy job, a matter of minutes. If the screw holes don't line up, the usual method is to just drill new holes, and the tailpiece will cover the old ones. If you remove the tailpiece from many vintage guitars, you'll find any number of screw holes. It doesn't hurt anything structurally, and they're out of sight, out of mind.

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    For a just a little more scratch, you could try one of these tailpieces.... Around $62 on eBay. Dressed up my Ibby immensely. Just another option.
    Roli

    The Ibanez LGB-30 -tailpiece issues ??-01963c51-9800-4352-bcb1-2b389d0326b4-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolijen View Post
    For a just a little more scratch, you could try one of these tailpieces.... Around $62 on eBay. Dressed up my Ibby immensely. Just another option.
    Roli

    The Ibanez LGB-30 -tailpiece issues ??-01963c51-9800-4352-bcb1-2b389d0326b4-jpg
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    I have a nice Eastman tail I could sell if you want it.

    This kind:

    The Ibanez LGB-30 -tailpiece issues ??-eastman-tail-jpg
    The Ibanez LGB-30 -tailpiece issues ??-eastman-tail-2-jpg

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    Pondering the LGB30 at the moment and received this in response to my question concerning the tailpiece. That said, are they still saying .11s are their recommended maximum guage in fact?

    Hi David,

    Thank you for your interest! You are correct; there is a known defect with the tailpieces from an older production run of our hollow body guitars (2011-2013). We have actually been covering tailpieces from that production run under warranty, even if the instrument itself is no longer within the warranty period. That being said, the defect was addressed on all subsequent production runs, and is no longer a known issue!

    The heaviest gauge strings that we use as stock on our hollow bodies are D'Addario ECG24 (11-50):

    D'Addario Strings : XL Chromes Flat Wound : ECG24 Chromes Flat Wound, Jazz Light, 11-50

    We generally do not recommend using any other gauges, but 12s will probably be OK to use!

    -Ibanez USA

    Which surely raises the question IF they have changed the base metal at the core of the tailpiece on current models - why nothing heavier than .11s - or am I missing something?

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    Well if you get a decent tp onto your ibz box
    You can definitely use big strings with it ....

    Been doing that for yonks , no problems ...

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    They don’t recommend anything heavier than an .011 set on their hollow bodies? Are they covering their butts or really that out of touch? For a company that makes so many archtops I would think they know well that .012 and .013 sets are the norm, .014 sets not that uncommon and some even use heavier E strings. I’ve had a number of Ibanez guitars over the years, 4 at the moment (3 made in Japan, one cheap Chinese one) and have never hesitated to put .012, .013 or .014 sets on them and have never had any issues. Is this just the opinion of this person writing or is it actually the stance of the company that they don’t recommend heavier than an .011 set? I’m not bashing people who play lighter sets here (and as I get older I might go down on the gauges eventually) but you can’t even really drive the top with lighter than .012 in my opinion. Again, plenty of great players playing lighter and that’s great but I am just confused by their statement considering that we are talking about archtops and jazz players here.


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    Agreed Rio, and I repeat......................

    Which surely raises the question IF they have changed the base metal at the core of the tailpiece on current models - why nothing heavier than .11s - or am I missing something?

    Or could it just be that they haven't changed the tailpiece at all? These things run on 'design by accountant(s)' and this smacks of plastic jack nuts on Cube 60s and much more. Dommage.


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    IMO if a TailPiece can't sustain more than 11 thats a piece of garbage.
    I got 2 el cheapo 175/L7/350 style trapeze from Ebay couple years ago to put on my Epis Archtops and they still hold on well with nothing under 12 or 13
    My Emp Regent was even a full year on a set of Labella 15-56 and showed no metal fatigue whatsoever.

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    Installing heavier strings often requires a setup adjustment. The warranty doesn't cover that, and they don't want to have to deal with complaints/returns from customers who are clueless about doing basic setup adjustments. At least that's my best guess, and it's only a guess.

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    Mine (purchased in 2014) was tearing and would have broken off if I had not caught it in time.
    Ibanez said they would replace the tailpiece, but only with the same defective type.
    BTW, the original installed .011 gauge set of flat wounds was on the guitar when this occurred.
    I had a brass tailpiece made for me which is superior.

    A jazz guitar should take a .012 or .013 set with no problem. No more Ibanez purchases for me as much as I like the guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCarlH View Post
    A jazz guitar should take a .012 or .013 set with no problem. No more Ibanez purchases for me as much as I like the guitar.
    totally agree ....
    I've got a 13 sets with fatter top strings on my 2 ibanez jazz boxes
    with no problems at all ....

    the way I look at it is
    the Ibanez boxes are such good bang for the buck ,
    That if one gets a couple of small issues
    then they're still ok with me ...

    i had jack socket and selector switch problems with mine
    i swapped em out with switchcraft parts .... all good again

    the current AF55 is a great buy at the moment

    but it I take your point

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    There is a $10 solution to your problem:


    ($9.31 at Guitarfetish)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay View Post
    There is a $10 solution to your problem:

    ($9.31 at Guitarfetish)
    Sadly, almost all Furutama tailpieces are garbage. Cast, pot metal garbage. The non-garbage not-hideously-ugly solutions are limited to a few choices:

    1. Classic look.
    Kluson Archtop Guitar Tailpiece | stewmac.com

    2. These seem to be all over ebay as well for cheap - I got one but haven't tested it yet. Not sure if they all come from the same place or if there is a range of quality for them. My guess is that the Allparts one is good quality. Classic look.
    TP-0435 Trapeze Tailpiece for Gibson(R) 175(R) and L-5(R)

    3. Tasteful, relatively neutral Gibson-style:
    TP-0410 Trapeze Tailpiece

    4. (complete overkill)
    TP-5475 ABM 1501 Finger Style Tailpiece

    5. ES-175-specific
    TP-0420 Fancy Trapeze Tailpiece for ES-175

    Cheapies that perform reasonably well, in my experience:

    6. This one is a great replacement for a lot of the complete garbage tailpiecess that Ibanez usually uses. I used one recently on an Ibanez AF200 archtop that needed a new tailpiece.
    https://www.allparts.com/products/tp...peze-tailpiece

    7. Functional junk, like the one Little Jay posted:
    https://www.allparts.com/products/tp...nomy-tailpiece

    German-style tailpieces (I suspect that ABM is simply clearing these out and not making any new ones). I cleaned out Allparts on these but there are still a few available in Europe and from ABM directly. Not cheap, but great:

    8. I've never encountered a broken one. Ever. Found on higher-end Hofner and fancier Harmony archtops. Still used by some German custom builders.
    https://abm-guitarpartsshop.com/ABM-...b3fecee2cb5838

    9. Found on old higher-end Hofner archtops and a few others. Still used by some German custom builders.
    https://abm-guitarpartsshop.com/ABM-...b3fecee2cb5838
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    Well, if you don’t care for looks, then the tailpiece I posted is a functional, sturdy and even reasonably good sounding tailpiece. I have never seen them break. But I do prefer the higher end Kluson or All Parts variety in nickel, both for looks and sounds.

    I think those ABMs are very, very expensive.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay View Post
    There is a $10 solution to your problem:


    ($9.31 at Guitarfetish)
    looks like my af81 ,
    ive got one on mine too
    The Ibanez LGB-30 -tailpiece issues ??-039c0b7f-d1cc-4da0-ad8a-74c8f604dd44-jpg

    coincidence !
    yeah it works fine with my
    TIflat13’s and a 15 top string

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    Quote Originally Posted by curbucci View Post
    Here's a replacement tailpiece specifically for LBG30 & AF guitars that is way better than the stock Ibanez...

    Ibanez AF105, AF125, LGB30, AFJ91 etc replacement bronze | Reverb
    I've purchased this part: it's v. high quality, and took a few mins to install. Highly recommended. Just took a while to arrive through UK customs!