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    Hi dear guitar lovers

    I've just found a minty Ibanez AS50 (1980) with OHSC.

    I haven't recieved yet. Very very happy! I don't know how it compares to the flagship AS200, but I like the idea of the slightly smaller size (from what I've read) and lighter weight ... the AS200 is such a boat anchor! I've seen Scofield a few times and the man is really bigger than you would think..

    Well, I've got the 1st version with those V2 heavy metal looking pickups (I HATE the looks of uncovered humbuckers) and birch neck/maple laminate body (the first AS100 had maple necks and birch bodies... Ibanez were having fun ?)

    I would like advice for a pickup swap in this guitar.
    I do not want Gibson Classic 57, since I already have another guitar with them... and I must admit I'm a bit fed up with the sound of them (sorry...)

    I was wondering.. the Super 58 would be obvious (a guy is selling a pair 150€ here in France, new ones MIJ )? They are gold plated which isn't what I'm looking for in the visual aspect of things.

    I've always wanted to try Lollar CC in humbucker. Maybe this guitar will be two bright for them (birch neck seems to be very close to maple)?

    Seth Lovers are very close to Classic 57?

    Any help and advice would be very welcome

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    I have a 1980 AS200 with original super 58s and also a more recent AR420 with the more recent Super 58s. No real comparison. The originals are very close to the PAFs on my 1961 ES175D, but marginally hotter. The recent super 58s are nice, but lack the fullness of the originals - I can get close by using my mxr eq pedal to boost mids and a little of the lower register, but they are not as naturally responsive as the originals.

    Occasionally the originals come up on e-bay or you could try posting on the Ibanez Collectors World forum. Sometimes damaged instruments get dismantled and their Super 58s can be bought at a friendly price.

    Andy over at Repro Guitar Parts might be able to source some... he posts on the icw forum under with an alias of PorkPie
    Repro Guitar Parts

    Nice guy to do business with - I bought a 1978 Ibanez MC400 NT from him a couple of years ago

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    Thank you for the reply.
    Not sure I want to go thru the vintage 58' quest..
    The sound I am looking for is warm but not too heavy mid based (and that is what I hear in the Classic 57)
    I would prefer an almost P90 or single coilish sound and attack, with a bit of twang but consistence.
    Clarity, chime and a bit of power without outragous mids.
    One of my all time favorite guitar sounds is the one of the Belgium guitarist Rene Thomas.
    Well I know he had an Es 150 with Charlie Christian pickup, so I'll never atteign that sound with a semi.. but that's what I would to go to..
    The Lollar CC in HB route might fill the bill?
    Or some like the ones on early Guilds (can't remember the name!)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jx30510
    The sound I am looking for is warm but not too heavy mid based (and that is what I hear in the Classic 57)
    I would prefer an almost P90 or single coilish sound and attack, with a bit of twang but consistence. Clarity, chime and a bit of power without outragous mids.
    Maybe the Duncan, Lollar, DiMarzio, Benedetto or Fralin web sites will have a pup that match that description... exactly? Failing that a note to Armstrong with that description (of course emphasizing your distaste for 57's) will best suit your quest ? :-)

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    Well I've come to realize I don't favor the Gibson 57 that much. I can't say I really dislike them, but I find that if you put them on all your guitars, they'll sound all the same, well kind of.
    I've just put one on a Es175 Aria Pro II copy, and I'm wondering if I don't prefer the no name originals...
    It cut a fair amount of the character the guitar had, to sound a bit like .. 57's
    A guy posted a demo of his Epiphone Dot with Lollar CC's.. and just WOW!
    But these PU are really expensive.. and every guitar is different. A bit of a hit or miss and at that price I'm a bit reluctant.

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    If you want single coils in humbucker size, check out the Bare Knuckle Manhattan P90s

    Manhattan hsp90 | Bare Knuckle Pickups


    I really like their stuff, but they are pricey

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    Much like you, I am awaiting delivery of a another semi Ibanez in just a few hours. I had originally thought that it would have the MIJ Super 58s but after I pulled trigger, I figured out it does not. I do have a good selection of pickups to sample in the guitar (funny how both of us are pre-planning these PU swaps before we've had a chance to touch the guitars!)

    I think first test for my new-to-me AS120 will be a Fralin P92 pair, the demo Youtube vid of P92 in a 339 sounded great.
    I'd love to hear the Lollar CC in there, but I expect it would be tough to find a balance with any bridge PU I have (and I'm not going to by a CC for bridge, I may be PU crazy but that cost/benifit math can't work for me.) So my CC is only going into my neck-only archtops.

    What I find from experimenting is there is no certain success with like pairings, each guitar "wants what it wants" for PU.
    Some HB that are too muddy in one are perfect in another guitar, even where the wood differences would seem to predict the opposite.

    I anticipate the P92 to bring more clarity than a '57 style, and like you, I already have that covered in my other guitars with SD59, '57, and other similar HB.

    John
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    Thanks for the very informative tips.
    I've just read a thread where a guy says the Seymour Duncan 59 is a perfect match for the AS50.. I suppose the SD 59 are very close to the Classic 57?
    I'm really no expert in pickups.. it's only recently that I try to find better solutions on different guitars.
    A few years back I wouldn't would have thought changing pickups if they sounded decent and just play the damn guitar.. shut up n play yer guitar :-)

    Maybe I should play it when I get it (not before a week or so..) and listen how those Ibanez V2 sound. The thing is I've read so bad things on them (too hot, harsh, no dynamic range, just plain bad.. ) that it's got me a bit nervous.

    Are the Lollar CC hard to match ? What if I put one in the neck position, will it be hard to find a good pickup to fit with in the bridge?

    If I put two Lollar CC neck/bridge, and try to level them in height so that the volume output are matched ? Is that possible, or reachable?

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    If I get a chance to try the CC in a 2 pickup guitar, I will report back.. but I don't expect to do that soon. Maybe someone here has done that already?

    I use the SD59 in a lot of guitars, it works great in everything from solids to archtops. My earliest SD59 was wound by Maricella Juarez (hers had a "J" on the sticker) and it really is the best one. Even the newer SD59 sound really good, and I like to try them in a guitar to establish a "base line" to see which direction the next PU might want to head. But the SD59 is that classic 59 HB sound which it seemed like you were already covered for with your '57, and you were asking about alternatives.

    Earlier I mentioned the Fralin P92 demo online, I found it again and it is actually a 336 (not a 339 as I had typed.)
    John

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    Nice stash of pickups there... BUT I got news for you, unless the guitar you're taking possession of is modified an AS120 should have real deal old school Super 58's in it (made in Korea by Mighty Mite under supervision of Ibanez)... So play the guitar some before you rip into it. I had a white AS120, doggone nice guitar... Nice score.


    Another pickup to consider would be some Alumitones... there's a few videos on them on YouTube.



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    Quote Originally Posted by john_a
    Much like you, I am awaiting delivery of a another semi Ibanez in just a few hours. I had originally thought that it would have the MIJ Super 58s but after I pulled trigger, I figured out it does not. I do have a good selection of pickups to sample in the guitar (funny how both of us are pre-planning these PU swaps before we've had a chance to touch the guitars!)

    I think first test for my new-to-me AS120 will be a Fralin P92 pair, the demo Youtube vid of P92 in a 339 sounded great.
    I'd love to hear the Lollar CC in there, but I expect it would be tough to find a balance with any bridge PU I have (and I'm not going to by a CC for bridge, I may be PU crazy but that cost/benifit math can't work for me.) So my CC is only going into my neck-only archtops.

    What I find from experimenting is there is no certain success with like pairings, each guitar "wants what it wants" for PU.
    Some HB that are too muddy in one are perfect in another guitar, even where the wood differences would seem to predict the opposite.

    I anticipate the P92 to bring more clarity than a '57 style, and like you, I already have that covered in my other guitars with SD59, '57, and other similar HB.

    John
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
    Nice stash of pickups there... BUT I got news for you, unless the guitar you're taking possession of is modified an AS120 should have real deal old school Super 58's in it
    Big
    Hey Big, my AS120 just showed up as I was starting lunch.. It's cold today in Michigan, so give it some time to "acclimate" and soon enough it shows a surface temp of 60*F when I first peek in the box.
    First impression is bad because "where's my case??? !!! As this was a case-included purchase.

    Next, the guitar is dirty and not even close to set up, too soon to tell if the neck angle is going to be a problem (bridge is bottomed out, but string height is waaay too low, like against the frets so it might adjust correctly with setup.

    When I first saw the guitar for sale, it was from May 1995 and that was when these Korean AS120 switched from Samick to Cort, where Cort began using the "Super 58" PUs from their start of production in 04/1995.

    While my SN shows it 05/1995 and seems to be the Samick plant (contrary to the info found on interwebs with regard to Samick (Super 50 unpotted) ending in April and Cort (Super 58) from May 1995 thru 1996.

    So right now I have less than I bargained for, I had realized there were no Super 58 right after I paid for it, but surely did not expect the condition OR the missing case. Might turn out OK or might have to get returned, I want to play around with it first to get a better idea what to do.
    This is the white AS120 1995 with big round ears and small headstock, soon to change to "wolf ears" and larger flared out headstock as Ibanez redesigned the entire line.

    Sorry to hijack the OP thread, and I hope his new AS50 semi arrives ready to delight.

    John

    edited to add update: the AS120 was from Guitar Center, they just gave me $100 refund for missing the case, and I still get plenty of time to decide if it needs to be returned. Time to clean, restring and adjust, maybe even test a PU or two after that!
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    No don't worry!

    Sorry that your Ibby doesn't turn out to be what you expected.. try to set it up the best it can (you seem very competent), and play it a few days.

    Sometimes when you get a new guitar with a few flaws that upset you really at first glance, it can keep you from appreciating its qualities for a while, the little problems are just all what you see.

    I find myself setting up a guitar a whole evening (strings, neck relief, pickup height, action..), really happy with the result, and the next day just returning everything backwards..

    Let us know how it turns out.

    And by the way, I just LOVE the sound on that video of the Fralins! And the demonstrator just says it all "a little bit more clarity than the Classic 57"

    I'm going to search for these around here in France, hope I can find them.

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    I did a quick clean-up, restring and adjust. Now I think better of the guitar. I did want a white semi hollow Ibanez with this small headstock, and that really narrows the selection. After the credit the store just gave me, and the original discount they had put on it (that prompted me to purchase) the price paid was just under $400 USD. I will play it like this for a while before I change out any parts, but I do see new PUs, pots, and maybe the TOM bridge if it goes that far. The body looks pretty good, I can take pics some time after I get to buffing it out and reinstalling the pickguard.

    Good luck with your AS50 and whatever choices you get for replacement PUs, I think with the types you have under consideration, great sounds are possible.

    John
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    I notice the Ibanez pickups are mounted with 3 screws, whereas the majority of other humbuckers have 2 screws.
    I suppose I have to change the rings? Are they standard size?

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    That brings me to string spacing? Is it the same as Gibson for instance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jx30510
    I notice the Ibanez pickups are mounted with 3 screws, whereas the majority of other humbuckers have 2 screws.
    I suppose I have to change the rings? Are they standard size?
    Contact Andy at Repro Guitar Parts....

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    I'm in France. Where is that shop located?

    I'm searching for used Super 58, and found a guy selling ones swapped from a Prestige MIJ AF200.

    Uhh .. they have only 2 mounting holes?

    So I just googled a search for images of super 58 pickups, and it appears it's all over the place, 2 mounting , 3 ...

    What to think, are they equal, unregarding 2-3 mounting screws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jx30510
    I'm in France. Where is that shop located?

    I'm searching for used Super 58, and found a guy selling ones swapped from a Prestige MIJ AF200.

    Uhh .. they have only 2 mounting holes?

    So I just googled a search for images of super 58 pickups, and it appears it's all over the place, 2 mounting , 3 ...

    What to think, are they equal, unregarding 2-3 mounting screws?
    Repro Guirar Parts is US based but will ship worldwide. 2 or 3 screw pickup rings can be ordered for about 11 Euros. E-mail them to explain your need ideally with photos and I'm sure you'll get a quick reply

    Reproguitarparts.com

    Lots of people on the Ibanez Collectors Forum from all over the world buy hard to find Ibanez parts from Andy, and he will make you an excellent copy if he dosn't have the original part

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    Thank you very much.

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    Not for nothing, but a Duncan Seth Lover pickup is pretty damn close in tone to a Super 58. I mean Ibanez copied the Gibson PAF as best as they could and Seth Lover designed that PAF... You should be able to find those in chrome for about $110.00 online just about anywhere. The 4 wire version about an additional $10.00 more. No question of what you will be getting when you buy it.

    Big

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    That's a good point Big. The 58's I was interested in, swapped out from a 97 AF200, well that's what the guy said, I just couldn't find a match in every photo I searched on the Web. For sure they were Ibanez pickups because the construction looked like 58's, but there was just "made in japan" ingraved on the back.. no number, no "ibanez 58", no "N"nor "B"... just strange. Maybe the guy himself was honest, but who knows where his guitar comes from in the beginning? I just abandonned to call him back.. the price was quite low (100€ the pair)..
    And they where gold plated . I really would prefer aged nickel pickups to match the vintage feel of the guitar
    so yeah I completely follow your knowledgeable advice here Big, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_a
    Hey Big, my AS120 just showed up as I was starting lunch.. It's cold today in Michigan, so give it some time to "acclimate" and soon enough it shows a surface temp of 60*F when I first peek in the box.
    First impression is bad because "where's my case??? !!! As this was a case-included purchase.

    Next, the guitar is dirty and not even close to set up, too soon to tell if the neck angle is going to be a problem (bridge is bottomed out, but string height is waaay too low, like against the frets so it might adjust correctly with setup.

    When I first saw the guitar for sale, it was from May 1995 and that was when these Korean AS120 switched from Samick to Cort, where Cort began using the "Super 58" PUs from their start of production in 04/1995.

    While my SN shows it 05/1995 and seems to be the Samick plant (contrary to the info found on interwebs with regard to Samick (Super 50 unpotted) ending in April and Cort (Super 58) from May 1995 thru 1996.

    So right now I have less than I bargained for, I had realized there were no Super 58 right after I paid for it, but surely did not expect the condition OR the missing case. Might turn out OK or might have to get returned, I want to play around with it first to get a better idea what to do.
    This is the white AS120 1995 with big round ears and small headstock, soon to change to "wolf ears" and larger flared out headstock as Ibanez redesigned the entire line.

    Sorry to hijack the OP thread, and I hope his new AS50 semi arrives ready to delight.

    John

    edited to add update: the AS120 was from Guitar Center, they just gave me $100 refund for missing the case, and I still get plenty of time to decide if it needs to be returned. Time to clean, restring and adjust, maybe even test a PU or two after that!
    Jeez, talk about rude? Leaving the case out, and not even giving it the once over to clean it up?

    At a local GC I saw a well used 335 and it supposedly 9on the hang tag) had an "original" Gibson case but it could not be found (?) After I agreed to buy it they "threw in" a broken down 70's 335 case with broken latches and a handle, no further discount. GC's troubles are not getting better it seems.

    Keep us posted on your issues, maybe in a separate GC problems thread? :-)

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    Congrats. Late 70’s and very early 80’s Ibanez guitar’s are some of my favorites. My ‘77 Artist 2630’s previous owner replaced the stock pickups with Seymour Duncan SH-1 pickups (their ‘59 PAF style pickup). They suit the guitar very well and sound good on a semi hollow in general, coil tap well and are extremely versatile but still have a great jazz sound.


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    Forgot to address a question a few posts back. Yeah Ibanez DID switch to two adjust screws on the Super 58s (used to be two screws on the left and one (centered) on the right... Also not long after THAT they stop stamping Super 58 on them. So it's hard to truly spot them like in the old days.

    Really Seth Lovers would be nice (and cheaper) and new, a sure thing if there ever was. I think he also does a signed Custom Shop Seth Lover, can't remember the specs of WHY they're more but look on eBay, sort by Highest Price first, maybe you'll see what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
    Forgot to address a question a few posts back. Yeah Ibanez DID switch to two adjust screws on the Super 58s (used to be two screws on the left and one (centered) on the right... Also not long after THAT they stop stamping Super 58 on them. So it's hard to truly spot them like in the old days.
    So are you saying definitively that if they are stamped Super 58 on the bottom AND have the three screw mounts on the pup frame they are very likely to be genuine?

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    I am a big fan of Duncan 59's. They are not the same as 57 classics though their architecture is very similar. The Alnico 5 magnets of the Duncan 59 produces a way more "detailed" sound than the 57 Classics, which are an Alnico 2 Pup.

    If I were looking for Pups for a semi-hollow, Duncan 59's would be my first choice.

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    This is what they look. I watched every S58 I could find, not one matched
    What do you think?
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    Sorry the Aria Pro II FA-STD shouldn't have been there!!
    Well I'll take advantage of my error to link it with the thread. This is the guitar I put Classic 57 in.
    The best Es175 I,ve ever had, really stunning player!

    And below those Super 58 coming from a 1997 AF200, well they are supposed to.. 100€ the pair. What do you think, genuine?

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    I looked closely, the construction does definately look like S58, but I can't find that "MIJ" inscription on any pictures on the Web.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jx30510
    Thank you very much.
    Il n'y a pas de quoi

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    ?Tell me how you like how it sounds when you put them in... That's what really matters. I looked and Duncan does sell Seth Lovers with nickel covers, if you ever decide to go that route with this, or another guitar. For the money they're great. Everyone has favorites, mine are the Seth Lovers, Super 58's and the Classic 57's, Lollar Low Winds also are tasty. But the Alumitones in my RED GB5, those are worth looking into... But that topic sorta fell on deaf ears.

    Big

    And good luck telling if those are real
    Super 58s from your photo, thus my first sentence... It's one of the things that has irritated me into gravitating away from Super 58's... how Ibanez changed the back cover, muddied the descriptions of lower end models to make you think you're getting them in a $500.00 guitar, ect. Not nice to fool with such a huge Ibanez Fanboy as BigMike there Ibanez... tisk tisk ...

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    The guitar is on the way, it should arrive by thursday.
    One thing I noticed on the photos the guy sent me, and that I didn't really see at first, is that kind of gap at the neck heel where it meets the body.. it's hard to clearly see if it's big, and by experience, cellphone photographs can exagerate certain details .. my AS200 was pretty messed up at that place (paint crack, chipping, and a gap) but was very stable.
    well I hope I'm not going to have a bad surprise.. The seller doesn't have any knowledge about guitars, it was very difficult to explain to him when I asked him to take close ups of the frets, the nut.. the guitar has been given to him by a friend in the 80's, never played it
    can you see that gap?
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    Wow, I really like the sound of the Fralin P-92's in that 336 video!

    If you can find original MIJ Super 58's for a reasonable price I'd use those. Keep the guitar in it's own family and they're great sounding pups.

    The Super 58 Customs are a completely different animal; brighter and thinner with a weird upper-mid spike that I find particularly unpleasant and is impossible to get rid of completely even with elaborate EQ. Like a tiny splinter in your eardrum; completely annoying. Did I mention I hate them?

    The best current 'PAF-type' pup that I've found is the WCR Darkburst. Spot on great PAF tone with just a bit extra sparkle and clarity to make them really special. I have them in my SA 2000 which is not too different from your AS.

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    Well I've got the AS50 for a few days now.
    I had quite a cleaning work and a healthy amount of elbow grease to revive a guitar that obviously had been sitting in a attic for the last 20 years (that's what the seller told me)
    It is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship, on par with my 81 AS200 in every way, and with any of the best Gibsons I've played (may I say better?)

    It plays flawlessly, the action is so low with the strings vibrating and body resonnating, it's unreal. The neck is a dream, the best I've ever played, the maple top is pretty thin, and this seems to accentuate the resonnance?
    The electronics are very high quality, just a bit of lubricating thing and they work like new. I really like the volume tapper and the tone range, it can get almost wah wah like.

    Now for the bad things : the pickups and the tuners (in a lesser way)
    The V2's are way too hot for this guitar! I lowered them all the way but they just atomize the input of all my amps.. they enhance pick attack, just a horrible pluck on each attack it is really disturbing (and I imagine it's worse at high volume).
    This is less apparent on very high gain, and I think this is what these pickups are meant for.. in a high fuzzy gainy cascade of notes that pluck on each pick attack lets your melodies a bit more articulate.
    But I don't play high gain, hardly slight overdrive breakup at most.. so these pickups suck in such a high grade semi hollow jazz/blues/soul machine WTF Ibanez?
    Well those were the eighties I suppose..

    So I have found a neck pickup. My choice went for (helped by a good deal next my place) a Seymour Duncan Antiquity.
    I listened to a number of demos, read many reviews, and the consensus seems very favorable. Clear sounding, very articulate and with high dynamic response to picking nuances.. no wax potting (while feedback resistant) that will let a little more of that semi hollow sweetness go thru the amp.. what do you think about this choice?
    I will receive it next week so I'll have to be patient .. Santa Claus :-)

    So now I've got to find a match for the bridge. I'm thinking about the Seymour Duncan Seth Lover .. it has the same output as the Antiquity bridge PU (8,2) so it should probably do the deal?

    And as for the tuners, I'd like to upgrade them to locking tuners
    They are the big Velve Tunes from Ibanez, and don't really match the quality of the overall instrument, they are a bit loose and the ratio is too low.
    I've heard that Grover Rotomatics are a perfect fit (thats what I want, no drilling nor drooling..) ? Do you have any advice?

    I'm going to post pictures of the tuners to help

    Thanks to everyone for this great forum by the way
    I

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    Here are pictures of the tuners. If an Ibanez expert can chime in to help me find the right aftermarket replacement.

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    Second report for the V2's
    I spent half my weekend trying to find a sweet spot on those PU.. no way, I just can't cope that hard plucky attack, taming the volume on the guitar or the amp has no effect, lowering them all the way down, nothing.. they're just crap.
    Ibanez made a big mistake in my opinion.

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    Those V2's are for the shredders with poodle haircuts man...
    Get yourself some Seth Lovers or Duncan Antiquities. Plenty of good PAF clones out there that'll give you that fat yet punch sound of a PAF which would be perfect for this guitar...

    Those should be the old metal Velve tuners. eBay might have some. Or get the replacement tuners for a GB10 via Guitar Center (they can look it up and order them for you). You might have to fill/stain the old screw holes with a bamboo skewer and some stain stick but ya gotta have tuners that hold tight.

    Big

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    Thanks BJM
    This AS50 is a freaking good guitar, you know when you've got a good axe in your hands, this one is a pure gift, no way I'm gonne leave it
    Antiquity for the neck, Seth lover in the bridge
    For the tuners I'm gonna take my chance for the Grovers, a guy told me so on a Ibanez forum

    "Ibanez tuner guide"

    I'll take it for granted

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    Well I put the Seymour Duncan Antiquity in the necj position yesterday
    Great great great, no comparison, no more pick plick, huge dynamic range, very clear and warm sound. The pickup reacts fabulously to volume and treble adjustmenrs, unbelievable array of sounds just on the neck pickup alone

    Yes, because I still have the V2 in bridge position, I'm waiting for the Seth Lover SH55 to arrive in a few days.. can't wait!!

    So I am able to do a real comparison on the guitar between the 2 pickups Neck/SD Bridge/V2.. gosh night and day, that Ibby PU is so harsh and brutal.

    And I got a nice private post here from a guy from Australia (thanks again!!) and he confirmed that the Grover Rotomatics 102 are the perfect swap
    I should recieve them with the Seth Lover..
    The AS50 is becoming THE guitar I've always been looking for!
    A wonderful instrument.

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    So do you still have the AS-50 and if so how did the pick ups work out?

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    i’ve got an af120 as my main jazz box
    the pickups are ok/good ....
    certainly not harsh ....

    maybe they’re different to your V2’s

    yes i think i remember that they are korean s58 don’t know if it’s samick or cort tho

    its got the narrow headstock (as per yours ?) parallel ish string pull which
    helps with tuning stability

    the tuners are good on mine tho ....
    didnt need to swap them

    yes these af/as 50/120 korean guitars ARE great aren’t they ?
    not up to the japanese as/af 200
    apparently but pretty great anyway
    and WAY cheaper

    so glad you’re digging yours man !

    i got mine years ago as a learn some
    jazz box .... intending to get a ‘proper’ box if/when i took to the jazz thing , i did take to the music but i never felt the need to upgrade the instrument

    you don’t have to pay a fortune to get a great axe

    caviat ....
    in mine i’ve had to upgrade the jack socket
    and the sel switch (to switchcraft items) cod the originals became noisy and unreliable .... after a couple of years

    ive now after many years got to do a full on new harness for it because its
    developed an intermittent loud elec buzz cured effectivly at the moment
    by thumping the top with the heel of my hand ....

    a bit bit embarrassing on gigs !

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    So I picked up one of these a model build in 1980 with the original pickups still in it. The V2s are over the top. Very Dimarzio Super Distortion style. Want to move the guitar in a less assertive direction. I was wondering if the Seth Lover Bridge and Antiquity neck were still the way to go. I have a Tom Shaw PAF from my 80's LP Heritage hanging around (I switched to a Texas BBQ in the LP as I wanted a bit hotter of a pick up in that guitar) that I may toss in. But I am open to any other thoughts.