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  1. #51

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    ThatRhythmMan, great guitar and story, and you are so enthusiastic about it,


    Thanks for the photos. You enjoy it.

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  3. #52

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    ThatRhythmMan,

    I was about 10 yo ish cant recall, i saw a cover of Herb Ellis Man with the guitar on the wall, it was a Jazz Blues Rock store owned by a Indian chap, ive never forgotten that cover i used to gaze at it wondering what type of music it was, later 20+ years i got the record, im on my 2nd ES-165.

    And you have it............................ hey look after that guitar, son.


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    Well we know where Herb's, Pat's and Jim's 175's are . Joe's 175 is a mystery. Joe's son, Joe Pass Junior, told me about 15 years ago that he thinks John Pisano stole it from him. John Pisano denied that in a phone conversation with me (I have a tape recording of that conversation.) A well known jazz guitarist told me off the record that John Pisano does have it ( I will not reveal the name of that guitarist here).

    That guitar, which was a gift to Joe Pass in 1962 is about as iconic a jazz guitar as there is and it's whereabouts remain a mystery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger View Post
    Well we know where Herb's, Pat's and Jim's 175's are . Joe's 175 is a mystery. Joe's son, Joe Pass Junior, told me about 15 years ago that he thinks John Pisano stole it from him. John Pisano denied that in a phone conversation with me (I have a tape recording of that conversation.) A well known jazz guitarist told me off the record that John Pisano does have it ( I will not reveal the name of that guitarist here).

    That guitar, which was a gift to Joe Pass in 1962 is about as iconic a jazz guitar as there is and it's whereabouts remain a mystery.
    That's interesting. Pisano actually played with Joe on the recording with Roy Clark issued in 1994, the year of Joe's death.

    Maybe "stole" is the wrong word. Maybe he borrowed it (with Joe's approval) when Joe was ill, or in a weak moment Joe said, "Hey John, why don't you take my 175? I won't be able to take it with me."

    Either way, we must assume they were not on bad terms when Joe became sick and declined.

    That is a true mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durban View Post
    ThatRhythmMan,

    I was about 10 yo ish cant recall, i saw a cover of Herb Ellis Man with the guitar on the wall, it was a Jazz Blues Rock store owned by a Indian chap, ive never forgotten that cover i used to gaze at it wondering what type of music it was, later 20+ years i got the record, im on my 2nd ES-165.

    And you have it............................ hey look after that guitar, son.

    I have a magnetic dry erase board in my office. A printout of the cover from that album is a part of my decor. I’ve thought about recreating that photo.

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    I thought that Pisano was known to have Pass's last Gibson, given to him by Joe's widow. I've also heard there was a lot of disagreement and strife within Joe's families after he died, over the estate etc.

    Here Pisano mentions having Joe's thnline ES-175, which I assume is the last Gibson from 1992 and Joe's Borys. I've never seen a picture of that guitar.

    John Pisano | Vintage Guitar(R) magazine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cunamara View Post
    I thought that Pisano was known to have Pass's last Gibson, given to him by Joe's widow. I've also heard there was a lot of disagreement and strife within Joe's families after he died, over the estate etc.
    John Pisano does have the one pickup Gibson that Joe was playing at the end of life. The 62 175 remains missing....
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    Weird that it's listed as "Scrapple"...here's the Discogs entry:

    Herb Ellis - Texas Swings (CD, Album) at Discogs

    And the Allmusic:

    Texas Swings - Herb Ellis | Songs, Reviews, Credits | AllMusic

    Google fail!
    "All the music I hear today is just rude, loud noises, whether it's country, rock 'n' roll, middle-of-the-road or whatever. It all sounds the same. Just this extremely loud, horrible sound. It's completely useless to me."
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    Hi my friend.
    I'm french and live in west center of France.
    I am lucky because I have the same toy, 1963, with the same pick up , the same rare damper ( made by Pat farrand) and the same fantastic sound with my old Polytone Mini-brute II 1982.I use the same strings, 12 or 13, it's depends.
    But I haven't got the same fingers !!!
    And for me too, Herb Ellis was the best.
    If you travel in France, you're welcome at home.
    Jean Pierre

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell View Post
    I have that on CD and it also lists "Billie's Bounce" as "Scrapple from the Apple." Don't know how that happens....
    "Learn the repertoire. It’s all in the songs. If you learn 200 songs, you will have no problem improvising."
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    TRM,
    Wow! What a lovely guitar and piece of history! I listen to (or play something I learned from) Herb Ellis every day.
    To paraphrase Pink Floyd, "Be careful with the axe, Eugene!" ;o)
    "Learn the repertoire. It’s all in the songs. If you learn 200 songs, you will have no problem improvising."
    Frank Vignola

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    Mark, I don't know how that happens, either. My CD lists it as "Billie's Bounce". I have some other CDs on which Google mixes up the titles, including some by Ella Fitzgerald especially. The CDs have the correct titles, but any time I stream them, the titles are completely wrong, and there are also others. I have no idea why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell View Post
    Mark, I don't know how that happens, either. My CD lists it as "Billie's Bounce". I have some other CDs on which Google mixes up the titles, including some by Ella Fitzgerald especially. The CDs have the correct titles, but any time I stream them, the titles are completely wrong, and there are also others. I have no idea why.
    Hhm. Here's an Amazon link and the listing here is the same as mine. (Perhaps the error was made originally and corrected on later pressings. Or maybe it was right the first time and the error cropped up in a later pressing or re-issue.No idea, really.)
    https://www.amazon.com/Texas-Swings-...gateway&sr=8-1
    "Learn the repertoire. It’s all in the songs. If you learn 200 songs, you will have no problem improvising."
    Frank Vignola

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    I miss Herb! He was a great player and a humble guy.

    He let me play your guitar back in '86-'87. It remains my favorite ES-175 to this day.

    Cheers!

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    I think I bought my CD soon after it was released, but it has been a long time and I can't recall exactly. All I'm sure of is that it lists the song as "Billie's Bounce".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rousseau Jean Pierre View Post
    Hi my friend.
    I'm french and live in west center of France.
    I am lucky because I have the same toy, 1963, with the same pick up , the same rare damper ( made by Pat farrand) and the same fantastic sound with my old Polytone Mini-brute II 1982.I use the same strings, 12 or 13, it's depends.
    But I haven't got the same fingers !!!
    And for me too, Herb Ellis was the best.
    If you travel in France, you're welcome at home.
    Jean Pierre
    Best regards, k

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell View Post
    I think I bought my CD soon after it was released, but it has been a long time and I can't recall exactly. All I'm sure of is that it lists the song as "Billie's Bounce".
    I don't doubt it. I didn't buy mine so near the release date. Perhaps it's a re-issue and that's where the mistake came in.
    "Learn the repertoire. It’s all in the songs. If you learn 200 songs, you will have no problem improvising."
    Frank Vignola