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    George Benson playing jazz on a Gibson Les Paul... Close you eyes and tell me you wouldn't mistake it for a $$ carved solid top HB.


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    George is one of my all time favorites. But I somehow can't love Les Pauls. Also I dont like SG's. Dont know why.

    The sound is ok on this clip, but the aesthetics of a jazz guitar is much more stunning to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrblues
    George is one of my all time fauvorites. But I somehow cant love les pauls. Also I dont like SG's. Dont know why. The sound is ok on this clip, but the aesthetics of a jazz guitar is much more stunning to me...
    I don't like Les Pauls either. This clip though makes me rethink

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    George could make a washboard sound good.

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    Um...a Gibson Les Paul IS a $$ carved solid top guitar. Just sayin'

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    Designed by Les Paul for jazz players, cutting out feedback problems.

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    GB sounded great on the guitar solo, his tone was 'Jazz' and I have to think he achieved it on that solid body to a greater extent than many others could. He has it in hand(s) literally. Never seen him play any solid body before, so thanks for sharing that. I bet there were no rock 'n roll light gauge strings on that Les Paul, but what would have been the setup? Flats, rounds, or ??
    Sounded like his 5th string went noticeably flat during the solo, with a few prominent notes missing intonation near its end.

    Had he worked that (Bigsby?) whammy bar and poked a hole in the speaker with amp's fizzing on "ten" he might have found an alternative career to cashing in as a pop singer.

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    can't find it now, but there is this video of him walking on stage with a funk band and jamming with an electric, super strat style guitar, probably with thin electric strings. He sounds like himself..

    I can't make a les paul sound that full, but i never tried putting jazz strings on it, so maybe... My best electric impersonation of a jazz sound has always been the telecaster

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    That's some good guitar playing there

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    I have no issues getting a jazz sound from my Les Paul- although it's a LP Recording, a little bit different to a regular LP, but George Benson would sound like George Benson playing literally any guitar.

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    Well, for me it's 200% easier to get a jazzy sound on a Les Paul than on a Telecaster. If you can live with the weight of the beast and with the small body size then it's all uphill (or downhill, depending if you thing in terms of bigger or easier )
    The short scale is sweet; the radius works wonderfully for chord works... try fingering a regular F-7 drop 3 type on first position; not all guitars will allow a comfortable hand position like you get on an LP.

    And finally, probably my favorite jazz tone ever comes from an LP-type ... I've posted this here a few times for sure, but here goes again! Solo starts at 2:32

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    Yes. I can understand how some Jazzers like Ted Greene played a Tele - presumably for more string separation on some chord voicings- BUT you can use a fat sounding Guitar or even if you gotta have a Tele use Humbuckers and then a coil cut or Series Parallel switch for the more transparent sound on dense chords.

    Yikes- listen to Benson's chops, articulation and Time in 1964 !
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    Why would Jim Hall have needed his G V Epps damper on a Les Paul ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis D
    Why would Jim Hall have needed his G V Epps damper on a Les Paul ?
    Probably due to picking style? Not damping the strings with his right hand...

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    Les Paul's make great jazz guitars.

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    thats Ulf Wakenius there in the Oscar Peterson video. I wonder what made him choose the Les paul (they were recording a live album) for the date. He plays a bunch of archtops, semi-hollow, everything..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagelove
    Les Paul's make great jazz guitars.



    Here's Jack Grassel & his LP Artisan. For the years before this was his ' go-to' instrument, he used a Bluesboy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    thats Ulf Wakenius there in the Oscar Peterson video. I wonder what made him choose the Les paul (they were recording a live album) for the date. He plays a bunch of archtops, semi-hollow, everything..
    I believe he always used that LP-clone when he was part of the Oscar Peterson band; actually that's the guitar I saw him use the most.

    Another well known video..


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    Les Pauls make good jazz guits, hell yeah.

    You really want to trip out? Blew my mind a few years ago when I found this old vid of a young Joe Pass tearing it up on -- you guessed it -- a Jazzmaster.

    Doesn't seem to have much richness to the sound, but it still works -- still gets the job done.


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    I'm with Joaopaz. A Les Paul is absolutely a jazz guitar that was repurposed by Clapton & Bloomfield etc into a new rock n roll tool. Everybody raves about a tele and no offense but for all the great tele players from Bickert on down, I've never been taken by the "jazz tone" achieved by Leo's plank. I'm not a Gibson fanboy because as much as they're capable of making a great guitar, one can't deny that their QC department does not put in 40 hours a week. A good LP Style is an easy tool to work with..

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    I listen with my ears, not my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robertkoa
    Yes. I can understand how some Jazzers like Ted Greene played a Tele - presumably for more string separation on some chord voicings- BUT you can use a fat sounding Guitar or even if you gotta have a Tele use Humbuckers and then a coil cut or Series Parallel switch for the more transparent sound on dense chords.
    I went from Gibsons and HB to Teles and single coils. Works for me! Not everyone wants that HB "fatness".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus
    Les Pauls make good jazz guits, hell yeah.

    You really want to trip out? Blew my mind a few years ago when I found this old vid of a young Joe Pass tearing it up on -- you guessed it -- a Jazzmaster.

    Doesn't seem to have much richness to the sound, but it still works -- still gets the job done.

    Although Joe Pass was known to have played a Jazzmaster, the guitar in that video is in fact a Jaguar, which is what Synanon had at the time. Joe pass could play jazz on anything, anytime , anywhere.

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    Les Pauls are great jazz guitars...I just don't like their small/heavy ratio. I'll take a tele

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Les Pauls are great jazz guitars...I just don't like their small/heavy ratio. I'll take a tele
    Great point, if a guitar is not comfortable you're not going to play your best on it. I never play without a strap; a LP on your leg without a strap takes more effort to balance than to play. Has there ever been a guitar more comfortable to hold against your body than a stat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus
    Les Pauls make good jazz guits, hell yeah.

    You really want to trip out? Blew my mind a few years ago when I found this old vid of a young Joe Pass tearing it up on -- you guessed it -- a Jazzmaster.

    Doesn't seem to have much richness to the sound, but it still works -- still gets the job done.

    That's a jag. From what I can see with the limited video quality, Joe is making intelligent use of the extra short scale and strapped the biggest strings he could find on the thing.

    I'm constantly amazed at the tonal versatility of the jag. In my eyes it bests a jazzmaster, LP, tele and sits on par with a strat with relative ease, but jazzes harder than a strat ever could where the strat covers other ground better. Some jags that I've played just had some kind of "thing" to them, a very niche but none the less beautiful "modular" kind of thing to play. That aside, I'm yet to throw a big set of 15s on one to see what they're really capable of with my own ears.

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    ulf wakenius les paul is bolt on neck guitar !!!! his main guitar for jazz .... i have several video concert where he plays this guitar and i can't believe it's a bolt on guitar ! hahaha
    my r9 is my main and great jazz guitar ...

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    wasn't it supposed to be a $100 aria les paul bolt on copy? Really cheap guitar with a great sound? These oscar peterson group videos remind me of Ulf's interviews about that gig, where he mentions that they almost never rehearsed, had no set lists or set programs, and he just caught on on what oscar peterson was playing at every gig!

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    What a fun video! I think i've read that Benson used to play a Les Paul guitar in his early days with Mc Duff? Can't really tell from the video. He's like 21 in this video..


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    Yes. Sounds great, doesn't it?

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    in 1964..few electric guitars looked like a LP...this one seems to have a trapese tail and it looks like humbuckers...so it could be an upgraded 50's model...

    but whatever it is..Benson plays the hell out of it...

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    As long as it has strings... he rips here with an 80s shred machine, and Mark Whitfield dancing behind him.. Ritchie Hart would tell me stories of Benson burning down the house on gigs where he would go on stage to jam and just scat solos, without even a guitar..


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    Benson joined McDuff in 1963. It was his first break. Benson was still basically an r&b guitarist, dreaming of the high standard of his predecessors in McDuff’s group, Grant Green, Eddie Diehl and Kenny Burrell, but as McDuff would soon acknowledge, a ‘baaaaaad’ picker. Benson slowly but surely developed into a jazz player, absorbing the music of Art Blakey’s Jazz Messengers on the road, who traveled the same circuit. Plenty time to learn, because McDuff’s quartet was playing nightly for two years time around the East Coast and Mid-West.

    By 1964, the group fired on all cylinders. McDuff and Joe Dukes were excellent teachers but tough customers. McDuff regularly shouted obscenities to Benson on stage, ‘if he had just the right (or wrong) amount of booze or weed.’ Joe Dukes, ‘such a magnificent drummer that there were times I thought he was one of the greatest things that ever happened to mankind’ was especially hard on the 19-year old prodigy, who alledgedly picked up too many girls for the taste of the envious drummer.

    “Finally, after a particularly nasty rant, I snapped: ‘If y’all don’t lay off, I’m gonna take y’all outside and beat y’all old men up! I’m nineteen years old! Y’all can’t take me! We’re going out in the alley, right now! McDuff and Dukes just stared at me for a second, then they both pulled out switchblades. But that didn’t stop me: “I don’t care! Y’all don’t scare me! Bring your switchblades into the alley! I’ll beat y’all up anyhow!” Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed: nobody went into the alley, and nobody got beaten up. But it got them off my back.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolflen
    in 1964..few electric guitars looked like a LP...this one seems to have a trapese tail and it looks like humbuckers...so it could be an upgraded 50's model...

    but whatever it is..Benson plays the hell out of it...
    Possibly a Bigsby or a Vibrola?

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenk74
    Possibly a Bigsby or a Vibrola?
    bigsby!

    cheers

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    '60 flametop.

    Quick story told to me by a sax player friend who toured w Mcduff later.
    Said Jack was always behind in paying the band and regularly blew their $ on gambling and women.
    They had to steal food from the market to eat. Jack would become furious when they got to a new town and saw marqee....jack mcduff quartet featuring JOE DUKES ON DRUMS or so it seemed so bold.
    Sax player had enough and decided to quit during a break on a gig, but his horn was in the club and Jack was outside. He tried to retrieve it but said Jack hit him so hard, it was the first time he knew what "seeing stars" meant.
    You didn't want to get on Jack's bad side.
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    Related story....
    Another friend, the drummer in that band who idolized Dukes wound up taking his place when Jack fired him for excessive boozing.
    He said they got to a new town and as he was setting up his drums a loud mouth patron kept harrassing him the entire time, saying he was gonna play that night, it was his gig.
    After not being able to take the harrassment anymore he turned around to punch him and realized at the last second it was a drunk Dukes!