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    Just bought it online without playing first..... heard and see some many nice things about it, and the price was very right. Any owners here, thoughts? Only concern (maybe unfounded) is that the fretboard radius is 7.25", not a dealbreaker at this point, but curious if anyone can verify. Thanks again.

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    Paging Mr. Hammertone!

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    Congratulations! Post some pix of it! Where did you get it? It's nice to hear that someone has embraced a German-built Hofner jazz guitar. I'm always happy to provide whatever information I can on German-built Hofner jazz guitars. I've dealt with many New Presidents, Jazzicas, Verythins and Chancellors over the past 16 years.
    Good times….
    Last edited by Hammertone; 10-11-2016 at 11:47 PM.

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    Thanks Hammertone - I'll post some pictures when it arrives, its shipping today (found on Reverb, a store in NC). It is used, a 2004 model, looks to be in great condition, we'll see!

    Being of German descent myself, and a big fan of Attila Zoller and Jimmy Raney, it just kind of makes sense plus has everything I like.... 16", scale, ebony board, solid top, high fret access, blond, etc.

    These seem to be very much loved by their owners, but not too many around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avenir
    Thanks Hammertone - I'll post some pictures when it arrives, its shipping today (found on Reverb, a store in NC). It is used, a 2004 model, looks to be in great condition, we'll see!

    Being of German descent myself, and a big fan of Attila Zoller and Jimmy Raney, it just kind of makes sense plus has everything I like.... 16", scale, ebony board, solid top, high fret access, blond, etc.

    These seem to be very much loved by their owners, but not too many around.
    You will enjoy that guitar. I have a 2002 build. I don't know the fretboard radius but I believe you are correct about 7.25". Mine has 24 frets and I really like the higher access all the way to E. It sounds like a decent mandolin when you play there too. The pickup is also very well made and more adjustable than other floating pickups I have seen.

    If you strum hard with a gypsy pick, it is very loud and can cover that style if you are interested.

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    Happy Jazzica owner here. German guitars for the win!

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    The guitar arrived late yesterday, have not had a lot of time with it yet, but it has exceeded my expectations -- it's a beautifully made and wonderful sounding guitar (came from previous owner with acoustic bronze strings, changing them momentarily).

    I guess that's what one would expect from a handmade guitar, has Hubert Kaa signature on the sticker on the inside. Also came with the Hofner catalog and hang tag.

    Could not be happier, was looking for something like this, understated and functional. Worries about fretboard radius (had heard possibly 7.25") were unfounded, this feels like 12" which is good. I'll also note that the catalog specs the scale length as 25.5" and not 25.25" as I've seen, no big deal either way for me.

    I'll post some pics in a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avenir
    The guitar arrived late yesterday, have not had a lot of time with it yet, but it has exceeded my expectations -- it's a beautifully made and wonderful sounding guitar (came from previous owner with acoustic bronze strings, changing them momentarily).

    I guess that's what one would expect from a handmade guitar, has Hubert Kaa signature on the sticker on the inside. Also came with the Hofner catalog and hang tag.

    Could not be happier, was looking for something like this, understated and functional. Worries about fretboard radius (had heard possibly 7.25") were unfounded, this feels like 12" which is good. I'll also note that the catalog specs the scale length as 25.5" and not 25.25" as I've seen, no big deal either way for me.

    I'll post some pics in a bit.
    If you have time, please post the catalog page(s) also, thanks in advance.

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    A few pics, been on the road a few days.... will scan the catalog it came with when I get some time.
    IMAG0213.jpgIMAG0214.IMAG0215.jpg

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    Hofner New President-imag0213-jpgHofner New President-imag0214-jpgHofner New President-imag0215-jpg

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    Well, your photos suck, but we get the idea.
    I used my New President on a gig this past Sunday, and it performed admirably.
    Hooray for Hofner New Presidents!
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    That is a fine and handsome instrument, avenir! Congratulations, and play it in good health!

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    Thanks gents, she's a player, very happy with it.

    Yes, my photography skills are somewhat lacking, here are some better pics

    Hofner New President-imag0216-jpgHofner New President-imag0218-jpgHofner New President-imag0219-jpgHofner New President-imag0223-jpgHofner New President-imag0224-jpg

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    Ha! Well played!

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    Glad you appreciate my humor.... all in fun!

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    She's a beauty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    Well, your photos suck, but we get the idea.
    I used my New President on a gig this past Sunday, and it performed admirably.
    Hooray for Hofner New Presidents!
    Record your next gig! One using the new pres and one using the Chancellor!

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    I'd like to add that the finish makes a significant contribution to the tone of recent Hofner guitars. I own two recent fully hollow Hofners whose tones are very different from one another. One is a french polished New President, whose tone is so dry that it reminds me a bit of older manouche gypsy guitars. The other is a poly finished Jazzica that features a quieter, yet sweeter, tone while retaining its acoustic properties.

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    Say, that looks like a capote anglais...What's it doing on a German guitar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
    Say, that looks like a capote anglais...What's it doing on a German guitar?
    Hysterical - can't beat your wit and cleverness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avenir
    Thanks gents, she's a player, very happy with it.

    Yes, my photography skills are somewhat lacking, here are some better pics

    Hofner New President-imag0224-jpg
    Ha ha nha ha ....

    Best laugh all day, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avenir
    The guitar arrived late yesterday, have not had a lot of time with it yet, but it has exceeded my expectations -- it's a beautifully made and wonderful sounding guitar (came from previous owner with acoustic bronze strings, changing them momentarily).

    I guess that's what one would expect from a handmade guitar, has Hubert Kaa signature on the sticker on the inside. Also came with the Hofner catalog and hang tag.

    Could not be happier, was looking for something like this, understated and functional. Worries about fretboard radius (had heard possibly 7.25") were unfounded, this feels like 12" which is good. I'll also note that the catalog specs the scale length as 25.5" and not 25.25" as I've seen, no big deal either way for me.

    I'll post some pics in a bit.
    Sounds like a great purchase . Could you confirm the scalelength please? Im looking to get one.

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    Totally jealous here.

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    Makes me wish Hofner made a President in Tenor Guitar!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Davidson
    Sounds like a great purchase . Could you confirm the scalelength please? Im looking to get one.
    The scale length is 25 1/4" - various past bits of catalogue info on paper and online got this wrong for years, because no one bothered to check. More important things to do, involving beer. I bothered to check one day and edited as many of my old posts as I could find, at least until I got thirsty.

    New President variations exist, which are important to some folks. Within the envelope of 15 7/8" wide, carved spruce top, laminated back/rims versions, these include:
    -24 frets or 22 frets (on later ones)
    -poly finishes or shellac finishes, even a few with nitro finishes
    -single floating pickup or two pickups (second one sits on top), with associated controls
    -ebony/gold-plated hardware or nickel-plated hardware
    -most with @3 5/8" rims, some thinline (2 1/4" rims)
    -various one-offs and short runs in fun colours, perloid binding, oversized headstocks, no inlays, etceteras.
    -various names - New President, Vice-President, Thin President, President Custom, President Special, but they are essentially the same instrument.

    There were several subtle, under the-hood changes over the years as well. Happy to go over those some other time.

    The current version is called the New President. Here's one shown on the Hofner website:
    Hofner New President - sunburst (left handed) - Archtop Ltd Editions - Elektrogitarren - Gitarren & Basse

    [ed. as of 09/18: OK, that link is dead, no surprise. These days, the New President, along with most German-built jazz guitars, is not in the catalogue. There is still a European-built Thin President - which has evolved into a thinline, all-laminated semi w/ a spruce block. But between @1998 and now, Hofner made enough New President, Vice-President, and related models so that they can be found used, usually in excellent condition.]

    [ed. as of 10/20: These days, there is a New President is shown on the website, built with rims and back of laminated "highly decorative moabi wood." This one has two staple pickups, nickel-plated parts, and no fretboard inlays.]
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    Thanks for the specs and Web page links.

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    Beauty!

    I've always wondered how Hofner could keep its prices down. German labor isn't cheap. Any insights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Grass
    I've always wondered how Hofner could keep its prices down. German labor isn't cheap. Any insights?
    Hofner hardly keeps its prices down - these are not cheap guitars new.
    2017 MAP on a New President is $4,200 USD. List price is $6,000.
    2017 MAP on a shellac-finish Chancellor is $6,900 USD. List price is $9,800.
    Hofner's German-built archtop guitar output has been getting smaller for years.
    Most of the ones they do make are sold into Europe, UK, Japan and other foreign markets.
    Only a handful have been sold in North America over the past few years.
    Because Hofner does virtually no marketing, very few people know about these guitars.
    Like Heritage, they sell used at a massive discount in the secondary marketplace.

    Hofner sells German-made violins, violas, cellos, upright basses, bows, classical guitars and Beatle basses.
    They also make violins, violas, cellos, and upright basses in China.
    And they have lots of Chinese Beatle basses, Verythins, Shortys and other electric guitars made for them in China.
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    I 've been reading and interacting with Hammertone for too long now...I have the Hofner itch...would love to try one. Germans do make good stuff...as do the Japanese. I do adore my Ibanez shredder guitars for jazz...

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    The extended cutaway on (some ?, of) the Hofner big-body archtops has always attracted me.

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    Finally, a new president we can all agree is awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarbean25
    I 've been reading and interacting with Hammertone for too long now...I have the Hofner itch...would love to try one. Germans do make good stuff...as do the Japanese. I do adore my Ibanez shredder guitars for jazz...

    And Americans don't ? ! ! Reputedly, the greatest archtop, D'Angelico, is made in New Jersey; the carved ones. Steinway pianos are family made in Brooklyn.. and what the $@^!*#! is a shredder guitar as opposed to a plain guitar ? Honestly, this shredding thing is so stupid a term...But then again, deafening volume, slinky string metal players are stupid and don't belong in a, hello, Jazz forum, in the first place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkInLA

    And Americans don't ? ! !
    You are putting words into his mouth. Where did he say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu
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    American movies don't have exploding heads ? ! ! Reputedly, the greatest exploding head movies are made in America! That's from a scene in a movie that's not American and wasn't even filmed in America. And the actor isn't American, either. Silly Kiwis. You suck.

    OK, watching that shot makes me laugh and laugh and laugh some more. Good times...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    American movies don't have exploding heads ? ! ! The greatest exploding head movies are made in America! That's from a scene in a movie that's not American and wasn't even filmed in America. And the actor isn't American, either. Silly Kiwis. You suck.

    OK, watching that shot makes me laugh and laugh and laugh some more. Good times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkInLA

    And Americans don't ? ! ! Reputedly, the greatest archtop, D'Angelico, is made in New Jersey; the carved ones. Steinway pianos are family made in Brooklyn.. and what the $@^!*#! is a shredder guitar as opposed to a plain guitar ? Honestly, this shredding thing is so stupid a term...But then again, deafening volume, slinky string metal players are stupid and don't belong in a, hello, Jazz forum, in the first place...
    um...WOH!


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    I have a 2002 hofner new president in near untouched condition.. I acquired this beautiful instrument from a family member but it doesn't get played but a few times a year and I've decided it's time for it to find a new home.. I am aware that these guitars are rare and highly regarded in the jazz community, but I wouldn't consider myself a "collector" and It doesn't feel right to me to just see it sit in the case.. it needs to be played. If you are interested in pictures or any other information please let me know.. thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamfryeman1989@gmail.com
    I have a 2002 hofner new president in near untouched condition.. I acquired this beautiful instrument from a family member but it doesn't get played but a few times a year and I've decided it's time for it to find a new home.. I am aware that these guitars are rare and highly regarded in the jazz community, but I wouldn't consider myself a "collector" and It doesn't feel right to me to just see it sit in the case.. it needs to be played. If you are interested in pictures or any other information please let me know.. thank you!
    This needs to go in the "For Sale" subforum with pictures and a price. Please read before you post. This is a pretty kind and forgiving group to newbies, but try to adhere to the rules.

    Selling Stuff? Read here first!