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    So Gibson sends TMZ pics of this gorgeous Tal Farlow and of course they send them to me with a price no one could refuse. Everyone knows I am a Guitaraholic so I buy it. It arrived yesterday.
    Needless to say it has one of the worst necks ever. The neck set was way off with a severe uplift from the 12th to 20th frets. The bridge is jacked up almost as high as it can go. The strings fret out past the 10th fret. The frets are pleked down to nothing. 3 dents in the back of the neck. The action is higher than a Sears and Roebuck flattop. This coming from the Crimson Custom shop. Now you know why I love/hate Gibson.

    Thank God I bought it from TMZ. They are a stand up music store. In their defense they just checked the headstock when they received it because it took Gibson 3 weeks to ship it and I was getting mad so they overnighted it to me the day they got it. Another turd from Gibson. I will say it was stunning to look at and cowboy chords sounded OK. Thanks Gibson.
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    Wow ... sorry to hear that ...

    I've had great luck so far,

    but if I manage to save up enough for another Gibson I am a little nervous about ordering new .... especially if I'm spending several thousand dollars



    If it comes in as bad as your Tal I'm sure Rainbow will fix it or send it back after I've looked it over

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    How the h can that happen???
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    As a fellow GA I sympathize. "They" (the entire guitar production/distribution complex, from the forest to the sales floor) know we need this stuff, these beautiful. sensual, beguiling objects of desire and delight. They know, from experience, our tastes, our preferences, our predilections, our weaknesses, our wants; and ruthlessly exploit them. The stately maple - source not only of the most exquisitely delicious sugar known to man, but also the endless spectrum of figure from swirl to burl to curl and quilt, bubble and bird's eye and beyond - the maple, it calls to us. The mahogany, the rosewoods, ebonies, and others swell the sweet strains of the siren song filling our minds with the need - the need - for one more I swear just one more.
    It's not fair, I tell ya.

    And don't even get me started on sunbursts.


    Or amps.
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    Sorry to hear Vinny.

    When a Gibson is wrong it is infuriating. When a Gibson is right, nothing is better with the possible exception of a Harley-Davidson or a good woman.
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    Wow Vinny, just wow!

    I feel bad for the poor cowboy chord playing sap who doesn't know what separates a good guitar from a bad guitar. Really shocked that the Crimson guys would ship out such a turd.

    I know you had another problem with a Tal neck, could it be that their B team is working on these? I was just telling a friend of mine who has a new L5 on the way that he is pretty much guaranteed a flawless guitar, since it came from the Crimson shop. Maybe not so much.

    Will you be receiving a replacement Tal?

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    Vinny,

    Surely you have committed some grave, unconscionable sin against the guitar gods, eh? I just can't believe a reputable company would purposefully charge thousands upon thousands of dollars to a customer, and then give them some off-kilter, poorly constructed instrument.

    I have read these stories over and over since the mid-2000's.

    Are things really getting that bad? Is it really that hard to build a guitar to its proper specifications? Maybe the luthiers are hurried so much that they make little errors, and its become the new norm? Or is it that the experienced ones have moved on?

    Finally, who the heck is performing the quality control? Is there even a final quality control inspection? If so, I want to know the credentials of the person performing this inspection and would love to hear their reaction to the defects.

    You would think they would knock a little off the price and give a FULL disclosure?

    Or maybe, these are just exceptions and the internet is warping reality. I just don't know.

    Going back on my meds, now...

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    Sorry to hear that Vinny, I hope the matter is resolved satisfactorily for you.

    I do have a couple of questions though,

    Firstly, is production of Tal Farlow models really in such small numbers that Gibson sends pics of a single completed guitar to a dealer to gauge interest ?

    Secondly, would it be likely that the guitar in question is in fact a guitar that has already been returned to Gibson by a previous purchaser under warranty ?

    Maybe if you intend to return it, rather than claim on the warranty, you might decide to post the S/N here on the forum, as some of our sharp eyed members would be curious to see exactly what becomes of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlsoRan View Post

    You would think they would knock a little off the price and give a FULL disclosure?

    The margin for dealers on high end guitars is very slim so they don't have room for discounts. They are going to lose the little they make in lost time dealing with Gibson to fix or replace.

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    In some cases the only mistake may have been that they used woods that were not properly dried. Vinnys Tal may have been not too bad when it left the factory. If the neck starts twisting afterwards, the Gibson QC doesn't even have a chance to see it. Just a thought. Blame it on TMZ to ship it to a good customer and piss him off with it.

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    There someone's name on an inspection card in the case, is that guy proud of what he let out?

    edit: if the bridge needed to be raised to compensate the badly set neck and overpleked to try fixing a tail raise, that had to be coming from the CS this way...
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    Pictures would be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drifter View Post
    In some cases the only mistake may have been that they used woods that were not properly dried. Vinnys Tal may have been not too bad when it left the factory. If the neck starts twisting afterwards, the Gibson QC doesn't even have a chance to see it. Just a thought. Blame it on TMZ to ship it to a good customer and piss him off with it.

    Yeah ... I have to wonder what the history is on this .... did it sit in a warehouse for a few months before a big box retailer finally examined it and then returned it to Gibson?

    Did it sit in a factory storage area for months and then Gibson tried to save it with a PLEK?


    Sounds like it should have gone back for a complete rebuild before Gibson let this one go ... or maybe they should have let an employ buy it cheap ...

    The times I've toured guitar factories including some of Gibson's there's usually a bin full of cut up guitars that failed the QC ...

    Hmmmm

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    TMZ is great ! It is on the way back to them. They emailed a return label right away. It played great. Just don't go past the 9th fret. The looks were stunning. Just don't play jazz on it. Outcome to follow.
    Very sadly the big loser is always the music store. Gibson has always been a double edged sword. They either cut you or give you Victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k View Post
    TMZ is great ! It is on the way back to them. They emailed a return label right away. It played great. Just don't go past the 9th fret. The looks were stunning. Just don't play jazz on it. Outcome to follow.
    Very sadly the big loser is always the music store. Gibson has always been a double edged sword. They either cut you or give you Victory.
    Vinny ,
    What a shame and I'm sorry to hear of your bad experience. It's very upsetting to learn of such inconsistency in Gibson product quality. I've purchased 2 new Gibson custom shop products the past year and they were both perfect. To have a guitar shipped with those neck issues likely means something happened along the way environmentally. I wonder when it was made and how long it's been for sale. In any case, they should have performed an inspection before release. Hopefully something good will come from this bad experience .
    Keep us posted.

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    Vinny,

    Sorry to read about the myriad issues with your new Tal. Sorry, but somehow not surprised.

    And people wonder why I have no interest in buying a new Gibson. Too much of a crapshoot for my taste.

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    Sorry to hear about this Vinny. This is disheartening. Gibson should be better than that. I was under the impression that the newer high end archtops tend to be very good. But apparently they still produce some turds :-( I am glad the TMZ was so good about it. Hopefully you can get another great Tal!

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    Bro, given your track record as a AAA rate customer, they should send you another one free of charge. If they count up the number of warranty cards you've filled out in the past ten years, they will realize what a special customer you are. Probably one of the top paying customers they've ever had.
    From the crappy finishing on neck bindings, to shrinking Walnut strips in the neck, to rattling tailpieces and built in fuzz boxes in the pickups it's about time they got their shit together.
    Sorry that happened to you bro.

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    Sorry to hear that Vinny. Good luck with locating a keeper !!

    Dennis

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    vinnyv1k, are you sure that this is not partly a transport damage?

    When i was receiving my Lee Ritenour Signature from TMZ earlier this year i was surprised how poorly protected the guitar was shipped. The Bridge had gotten moved quite off center leaving a faint mark on the top which looked like it got a hit during transport. However this mark is now hidden under the bridge base and the guitar is in fine condition so i did not mention it.

    All other guitars i had shipped so far came with an extra thick carton stuffed with foam between case and carton, bridge removed, strings loosened but not this one.
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    I'm all for putting the blame on Gibson if they send out a turd. But your dealer also deserves as much blame as Gibson.

    The dealer should have inspected the guitar before shipping it to you, and that inspection should have resulted in Return to Vendor instead of ship to customer. They should also pack their guitars well enough that no guitar is ever damaged in transit.

    If TMZ just checked the headstock and pushed it out the door, then they did a half assed job and screwed one of their best customers. Yeah, I'd be putting some blame on Gibson, but TMZ deserves an equal share. And there's no way that I'd be giving TMZ more business in the future.

    I hope they paid the return freight. Not having done a decent job of checking out the guitar I think they owe you at least that much.
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    Sorry to hear about that. I was lucky enough to get a gently used 2013 L4CES from the Crimson Custom Shop but had an opportunity to play it for an hour before I pulled the trigger. I was very impressed with this newer Gibson. It is a sad state of affairs when a brand new, open box item like that has the problems you describe. For premium we all pay for a Gibson, they should understand we expect better.

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    I can't put blame on TMZ. I bought the guitar and Gibson forgot to ship it. Weeks passed and I was upset with no guitar. TMZ was under the gun to get it to me quick. They even paid for overnight to me and back. Like me they trusted that a Crimson Custom shop guitar would be good. The fit, finish, and flamed maple was stunning. They probably saw how nice it looked and said wow sweet ship it. I would. Any guitar I ever bought from TMZ's store stock was stellar. This time it was a quick football handoff. Gibson to me. TMZ did apologize profusely and will make it all good. They admitted the beauty blinded them. They did play it and tuned it down a whole step but probably didn't play it up high on the neck.
    I was putting pressure on TMZ to deliver after Gibson forgot about shipping it.
    TMZ told me that their is a current 6-8 month wait for a TF. Funny they had one in stock. I think it was a return that Gibson tried to replek to fix and rolled the dice that maybe a cowboy chord player would buy it.

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    Why does anyone even bother with a new Gibson? Just buy one from the 90's for half the price and twice the guitar.

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    I find it amazing that companies that do hundreds of millions a year are willing to trash their reputation over a few thousand
    dollars of cost at manufacturing level. Just one post on a forum like this can cost a company a few hundred thousand dollars. I own and run a very, very small company and our policy is any mistake no matter how small we comp the full price.
    It's hard sometimes but it wins in the long game. Dear Gibson CEO, empower your employees to be great not meet quotas.
    Sorry, this struck a nerve, rant over.

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    It would be really good to post pics with this kind of thread. Your description sounds very emotially driven. I'm not saying you are exaggerating but it would be really useful to see what Gibson sent you. Also, I would hope by exposing the flaws as well as the disappointment on a well read jazz guitar forum, maybe Gibson would think twice about shipping such shoddy work. Hopefully there won't be a next time.

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    Should write an angry note to Phillip Whorton. As the Custom Shop Supervisor, it is in his and Gibson's best interest to catch such QC issues. I am just angry that Gibson let this one slip out of the Custom Shop door. If this had been shipped to an overseas client imagine the huge expense to return it. TMZ should have caught it really. Saved everyone the hassle, time and expense. Who gains? FedEx, of course. Who loses big time? Gibson Custom Shop. One stinker and your hard-earnt rep is toast.

    Second, what is it with the TFs? Everything bad happens to it...

    Third, if Gibson CS could reset the neck or rebuild it I wouldn't mind it at all as a Factory Second and priced accordingly...

    Fourth, Jazznote's anecdote; TMZ should have packed it much better! Shocked.

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    This is why I refuse to buy another guitar without playing it first (knock on wood). I recently bought two Ibanez archtops online (AF95RW and AF200) and sent them both back for various reasons. It cost me at least $80 shipping for each return. Luckily I live in the SF Bay Area and have access to many guitar stores, but I've been looking since last December and still haven't found one that I want and can afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k View Post
    So Gibson sends TMZ pics of this gorgeous Tal Farlow and of course they send them to me with a price no one could refuse. Everyone knows I am a Guitaraholic so I buy it. It arrived yesterday.
    Needless to say it has one of the worst necks ever. The neck set was way off with a severe uplift from the 12th to 20th frets. The bridge is jacked up almost as high as it can go. The strings fret out past the 10th fret. The frets are pleked down to nothing. 3 dents in the back of the neck. The action is higher than a Sears and Roebuck flattop. This coming from the Crimson Custom shop. Now you know why I love/hate Gibson.

    Thank God I bought it from TMZ. They are a stand up music store. In their defense they just checked the headstock when they received it because it took Gibson 3 weeks to ship it and I was getting mad so they overnighted it to me the day they got it. Another turd from Gibson. I will say it was stunning to look at and cowboy chords sounded OK. Thanks Gibson.
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    Vinny my friend.
    very sorry to hear of your bad luck, my tale of woe is nothing like as bad but ....... I ordered a new ES275MB
    on 29th April ,told it was in stock and would be delivered in approx 5 days. Two weeks later , due to an
    "administration error' by Gibson E
    urope it was sold to a.n. other. I was not best pleased, to be fair their
    BDO guy managed to get the last one?? in stock at Memphis . and I received it two weeks later. It
    needed some adjustments, very boomy & bass side of pickups needed drastically lowering adjust poles etc.,
    not too bad, but the finish was nothing like the pics of Steve Longobardi's In fact it is just dark Sunburst
    Not a big deal , but it is not as described or as seen on videos . I can live with that , The amusing line I gpt
    from their BDO was " Thank you for choosing Gibson" I pointed out that I had purchased 13 new Gibsons
    in less than three years. Perhaps we, as a body of enthusiastic purchasers of their products , should write
    en masse to Gibson to say that we are dissatisfied with being fobbed off with Friday Night" Lemons" from
    their elite Custom Shop, perhaps Henry J is the best target?

    Best, Alan

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    As I said in another thread, I have more gits than I need, and less than I want.

    Despite the issues I have and have had with Gibsons they are the ones I play the most and are least likely to be sold.

    It's like 60's and 70's American made cars, blind devotion?
    Maybe, maybe not.

    From Gretsch, D'Angelico, Epiphone, Fender, to Ibanez nothing else is a Gibson.

    Sigh... it's like a destructive relationship with a gal I don't want to but at the same time do want to extricate myself from. :-)
    Regards,

    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagelove View Post
    Why does anyone even bother with a new Gibson? Just buy one from the 90's for half the price and twice the guitar.
    Half the price maybe but twice the guitar, I doubt it. This is the first story I hear or read that a Crimson Gibson archtop is a total turd. Ususally I hear the opposite. It will need a few more of those stories for me to doubt the consistent high quality of the Crimson Custom Shop guitars.

    From a European point of view it's interesting that this happened in the US. Kind of refutes the rumour that Gibson ships their turds to Europe and keeps their finest guitars for the domestic market.

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    Gary and SS you are soo right.
    Once the issues are sorted out, there is nothing quite like a Gibson. I really do believe that.

    From what Vinny is explaining, this guitars coloration and wood figure suggests its a bit of a one off. Then, Why in gods name would Gibson release this guitar from the factory in such a condition? It almost sounds like this particular guitar was made specifically for someone, who in turn rejected it.

    Vin, I hope if you get an explanation, you are able to share it with us.

    JD

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    Sympathies to Vinny, really bad luck.
    I have to admit, that, in line with what Drifter says above, my first reaction was, oh, oh, he got a Gibson intended for this side of the pond.

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    Henry J: "Whaaa? You mean the folks who buy'em actually play'em, and past the fifth fret?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    Henry J: "Whaaa? You mean the folks who buy'em actually play'em, and past the fifth fret?"

    Gibson QC strikes again-924456_1551315338454621_1730037418_n-jpg

    LOL

    Those of us hanging out on a jazz forum know better than most that there's no money past the fifth fret

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    I much prefer the original Tal Farlow though...

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    OP reads like the guitar is in need of a truss rod adjustment.

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    Hello,
    Sorry to hear about your Tal debacle.

    Less than 3 weeks ago, I received a brand new Crimson Shop Tal Farlow—from a Gibson dealer—that, with the exception of some distortion or buzz above the 7th fret when played acoustically only, and which was found to be the result of the neck PUP vibrating against the pick guard—is perfect in every other way. It plays like a dream throughout the entire fingerboard and has a unique amplified tone that differs from my two Gibson L5's (double PUP CES and WesMo). Despite the acoustic issue, which can easily be resolved, it is a keeper. However, I suspect that the PUP/pick guard issue is the result of poor QC. Given the limited output from the Custom Shop, one would assume that they have plenty of time to check these guitars out in every way, which includes playing them up the fingerboard before releasing them to the unsuspecting public.

    Hopefully, if you decide to wait the 6-8 months, the next Tal Farlow that you receive will be perfect. I bought mine as the result of an impulsive internet search that led me to a dealer that had a brand new one for sale, perhaps the only new Tal available at the time. I bought it, and have no regrets whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plectrum99x View Post
    Hello,
    Sorry to hear about your Tal debacle.

    Less than 3 weeks ago, I received a brand new Crimson Shop Tal Farlow—from a Gibson dealer—that, with the exception of some distortion or buzz above the 7th fret when played acoustically only, and which was found to be the result of the neck PUP vibrating against the pick guard—is perfect in every other way. It plays like a dream throughout the entire fingerboard and has a unique amplified tone that differs from my two Gibson L5's (double PUP CES and WesMo). Despite the acoustic issue, which can easily be resolved, it is a keeper. However, I suspect that the PUP/pick guard issue is the result of poor QC. Given the limited output from the Custom Shop, one would assume that they have plenty of time to check these guitars out in every way, which includes playing them up the fingerboard before releasing them to the unsuspecting public.

    Hopefully, if you decide to wait the 6-8 months, the next Tal Farlow that you receive will be perfect. I bought mine as the result of an impulsive internet search that led me to a dealer that had a brand new one for sale, perhaps the only new Tal available at the time. I bought it, and have no regrets whatsoever.

    Did you get the one at Rainbow in Tucson?

    I would have grabbed that one if I had the money ... it was really nice

    Then again it would have had to compete with my L5 and Le Grand for attention so it was probably for the best for me not to buy it

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    Hi Bluedawg,

    No, I found the Tal at Dave's Guitar Shop. It was the only brand new Tal that popped up during my internet search. And while there were a handful of used Tal's for sale, I prefer new with warranty, unless I can examine it first hand. As for competition, I play my 9 arch tops in rotation; they all get equal time.

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    I have many Gibson archtops from the Nashville custom shop and all were perfect. This was the first bad one. The trussrod worked perfectly. I had to take it to the edge of a back bow because of the tail rise. Gibson tail rises have been common for as long as I have been buying them. I bought my first Gibson in 1972.
    I used to argue with Patrick and told him I have purchased way over 100 Gibson's in my lifetime and close to half had some kind of a neck issue or a trussrod that didn't work. He basically called me a liar but it is the God's honest truth.
    Both of my local dealers Gryphon Stringed Instruments and Gelb Music both stopped selling Gibson's because of QC.
    Don't get me wrong. I have had countless great Gibson's and that is all I will play. I am a Gibson boy through and through. You do have to step on a few turds to get to the Yellow Brick Road though.
    My theory has always been that Gibson uses wood with too much moisture in it. That is what happened with my other Tal were the walnut strips shrunk on the neck and they had to sand and refinish the neck. Same thing happened to the TF that Joe D. has.
    It was stated in a earlier post that I am exaggerating. I am not. Once again fit and finish was perfect but the neck set was off and it had a tail rise. It had 3 dents on the back of the neck in the 5th and 6th fret area. It played fine up to the 9th fret.

    Back to TMZ's defense. They added bubble wrap inside the Gibson packing box and of course UPS tore up the shipping box.
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    [QUOTE=vintagelove;657328]Why does anyone even bother with a new Gibson? Just buy one from the 90's for half the price and twice the guitar.[/QUOTE

    I paid a used price for brand new. That is why I bought it. Price was too good.

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    [QUOTE=vinnyv1k;657492]
    Quote Originally Posted by vintagelove View Post
    Why does anyone even bother with a new Gibson? Just buy one from the 90's for half the price and twice the guitar.[/QUOTE

    I paid a used price for brand new. That is why I bought it. Price was too good.

    Yup

    I could have had the new one at Rainbow for less than some of the used ones listed on the internet ... and the used ones were of recent vintage ... not from the 60s.

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    I bought a new 2013 es 175 for $3,500 and it is the best guitar I ever played

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    Quote Originally Posted by GNAPPI View Post
    As I said in another thread, I have more gits than I need, and less than I want.

    Despite the issues I have and have had with Gibsons they are the ones I play the most and are least likely to be sold.

    It's like 60's and 70's American made cars, blind devotion?
    Maybe, maybe not.

    From Gretsch, D'Angelico, Epiphone, Fender, to Ibanez nothing else is a Gibson.

    Sigh... it's like a destructive relationship with a gal I don't want to but at the same time do want to extricate myself from. :-)
    Agreed Gary,
    As a corollary, I can say that i've had more Gibsons than I care to admit , most have been
    good, but I have had my share of complete Lemons, and at the extortionate retail prices we
    in the UK and Europe have to pay, this should not happen, The blame surely falls squarely on
    their QC, but in Vinny's case the guitar should not have left the Custom Shop in the condition
    described at all ,I suggest.
    On the other tack, I have also had a a fair number of Ibanez Guitars , GB10s GB100 JP20 etc.,
    in a period of over 30 years and hand on heart , none had any issues at all, straight from the
    box. Their QC is impeccable . .
    If the Gibson Company is going to stick it to loyal customers like this it may have serious
    consequences.
    just my 2p's worth.







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    I too have never had a bad made in Japan guitar. Can it really be that hard to make a straight neck ? Japan seems to have no problem doing it. Never bought a Guild with a bad neck either. Of course I have only had a few of those.
    I mean really all you have to do is look down the neck to see if is straight. No tools needed. Just a eyeball. If you wan't to be more technical then a straightedge.
    Funny the guy that signed my great L5's signed this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k View Post
    I have many Gibson archtops from the Nashville custom shop and all were perfect. This was the first bad one. The trussrod worked perfectly. I had to take it to the edge of a back bow because of the tail rise. Gibson tail rises have been common for as long as I have been buying them. I bought my first Gibson in 1972.
    I used to argue with Patrick and told him I have purchased way over 100 Gibson's in my lifetime and close to half had some kind of a neck issue or a trussrod that didn't work. He basically called me a liar but it is the God's honest truth.
    Both of my local dealers Gryphon Stringed Instruments and Gelb Music both stopped selling Gibson's because of QC.
    Don't get me wrong. I have had countless great Gibson's and that is all I will play. I am a Gibson boy through and through. You do have to step on a few turds to get to the Yellow Brick Road though.
    My theory has always been that Gibson uses wood with too much moisture in it. That is what happened with my other Tal were the walnut strips shrunk on the neck and they had to sand and refinish the neck. Same thing happened to the TF that Joe D. has.
    It was stated in a earlier post that I am exaggerating. I am not. Once again fit and finish was perfect but the neck set was off and it had a tail rise. It had 3 dents on the back of the neck in the 5th and 6th fret area. It played fine up to the 9th fret.

    Back to TMZ's defense. They added bubble wrap inside the Gibson packing box and of course UPS tore up the shipping box.
    But Vinny, isn't this like the 3rd TF in the past year where you've had an issue arise, including Ms. Booboo, of course

    Good thing you're not superstitious...I don't believe in jinxes either

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k View Post
    I too have never had a bad made in Japan guitar. Can it really be that hard to make a straight neck ?
    Same goes for a Peerless out of Korea for me too...just sayin!

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    My Tal has the clear coat on the head raising off the head.

    I knew it when I bought it, funny on another brand I wouldn't have bought it. I am so glad I did buy it.

    Here's the funny part. I wrote Gibson aski g if my clear coat was an anomaly, here's the reply, it made me feel a LOT better :-)

    " Thanks for writing!! That’s a beauty!! There are no oddities that I can see. Everything you mentioned is normal for this model."

    Go figure!
    Regards,

    Gary

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    They really don't give a damn. Do they?