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  1. #51
    I've been looking at 60s Casino for a little while because it's (probably) the most iconic Beatles guitar. After a while I decided that they were too expensive and too much trouble to find.

    In the 80s Epiphone made a batch of Casinos in Japan and they're pretty good too and (sort of) affordable. One of the Casino's in The Analogues (the best Beatles tribute band) is one of these from Japan. Epiphone still has the Elitist that is made in Japan.

    Fun fact: Paul McCartney bought his Casino in '64 when he was looking for a thin line hollow body with a Bigsby. When he brought it to a rehearsal the rest of the band loved the tone and bought one too (except Ringo). Paul used it a lot on solo's on Revolver and Sgt Pepper. George didn't used it that much. John continued to use it for the rest of his career. He also sanded the finish off. He can be seen with it on the famous Hey Jude recording and the rooftop concert.

    It's funny that The Beatles were so fond of the Casino, given the fact that it was a mid-range priced instrument by that time, while in '64 they could afford any instrument they wanted. Eastman made a Casino (ES330) clone and called it the T64. A wink to 1964 maybe...

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    an authentic styled casino with the right neck joint and with real gibby p90's was the inspired by lennon casino...it was in between the standard epi and the elitist...a great value..from about half a dozen years back maybe...

    if you can locate one..one of the best values for a casino...neck is a bit meatier than the standard as well







    cheers

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    As is the '61 ReIssue Casino. Made in China with Gibson p/ups and good electronics, a grownups neck, and wonderful tone woods. The top is thin altho its said to be 5 laminations.
    This guitar I picked up at GC used, is just wonderful. I love playing it acoustically for practicing, and it has wonderful jazz possibilities when plugged in.
    I can't believe someone traded it in. A Les Paul or Tele it is not. If it was, I would have put it back down quickly. You can find them on Reverb.

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    Epiphone apparently comes out with a USA-made Casino!

    With black P90 covers, the correct body shape and the right headstock..... oh boy, they are tickling my boxes!


    Epiphone Quietly Unveils Made-In-USA Casino | NAMM 2020 | Reverb News


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    great news...a good casino is a great thing....one of the best epi's ever

    elitist and inspired by lennon casinos were already good..but this!...

    cheers

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    Read that last night. Apparently it was so late to NAMM they didn't have pricing info. I'm curious what price point these will land at.

    Another thing that I don't recall seeing in that article was *where* these are being made... Same place as the current Gibson USA production or a different location? They have that new program where officially licensed builders can actually make Gibsons...wonder if that is how these are going?

    Intriguing, but a lot of questions...

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    I agree with “Brian B.” This sounds great. No info on Epi’s website yet either.

    In addition to price, I’d like to know if they have “cooled-down” the P-90s when compared to the MIC Casinos. My MIC pickups are way too hot. I was in the process of swapping them out, but now I’m waiting for more info.

    I’ve tried playing about five different ES-330s, but always walked away preferring my “el cheapo” Casino to the expensive Gibsons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coriolis

    In addition to price, I’d like to know if they have “cooled-down” the P-90s when compared to the MIC Casinos. My MIC pickups are way too hot. I was in the process of swapping them out, but now I’m waiting for more info.

    the standard epi casino asian made pickups are wound with thinner #43 wire to get a very high resistance number..in the 11-12k area..the classic p90 is #42 wire to around 8-9k resistance...much different

    the elitists and inspired by lennons used gibson pups..vintage #42 wired correctly..i'm sure usa casino will feature same

    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by coriolis

    In addition to price, I’d like to know if they have “cooled-down” the P-90s when compared to the MIC Casinos. My MIC pickups are way too hot. I was in the process of swapping them out, but now I’m waiting for more info.
    There used to be someone on Reverb that rewound them for like $65 a set. Unfortunately I can't find a link right now.

    Edit: Not sure if it was this outfit.

    Rewind F-style and P90 - Gravelin Handcrafted Pickups

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    pickup maestro jason lollar has page about epi p90's-

    he could help as well

    Lollar Pickups: Dogear and Casino Model Page

    cheers

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    Gotta jump in here, the Epi '61 RI Casino from a few years ago, made in China, is one of the best, if not THE best guitar I own. Casino - yes, 330 - yes, fully hollow and lightweight with a good sized neck and wonderful tone woods. A joy to play with tone to strive for. Gibson P90's and USA electronics.
    That said, if Epi/Gibson wants to make this model more accessible, it's a great thing for guitarists who want a jazzy alternative in Thinline form to, L5's, 335's etc. (Mine has a black pick guard - stock - as in a 1961 Casino)

    I am just so happy with mine!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Mack
    Gotta jump in here, the Epi '61 RI Casino from a few years ago, made in China, is one of the best, if not THE best guitar I own. Casino - yes, 330 - yes, fully hollow and lightweight with a good sized neck and wonderful tone woods. A joy to play with tone to strive for. Gibson P90's and USA electronics.
    That said, if Epi/Gibson wants to make this model more accessible, it's a great thing for guitarists who want a jazzy alternative in Thinline form to, L5's, 335's etc. (Mine has a black pick guard - stock - as in a 1961 Casino)

    I am just so happy with mine!!!
    I agree.
    My MIC Casino is the least expensive guitar that I own. Yet, it is my “go to.” It just feels right.

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    What I find attractive from this USA Casino are the correct body shape, slim f-holes and a better looking headstock. But of course that’s because I secretly want a Gibson ES-330...

    I don’t care about the made in USA, MIC can be just as good.

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    Here's a case where as cool as the original versions were, the imports are really a great deal! The only thing I don't care for is the cheaper poly finish on the import.

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    Funny, I visited the Gibson/Epi hall at NAMM, expressly looking for and asking about a Casino Coupe. All they had was a std Casino modestly hung on the back wall. Nobody pointed out these. With something noisy happening on the bandstand all the time, it was nearly impossible to focus on the products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blille
    Congrats!

    So 2018 and older have lower output P90s? Do you know what the ballpark resistance is?
    Update for Billie and anyone else who might be interested: I have measured the DC resistance of the P-90s on my 2019 Casino and they’re still the rather overwound variety…
    Neck: 11.8 k ohms
    Bridge: 11.7 k ohms


    I did this with a short patch cable and the pots dimed. I’m sure there is wiggle room, but
    - it should be a valid ballpark reading to see whether the “new” Casino P-90s are still “hot” as the old ones or rather “vintage voiced”;
    - as a way to check I’ve done readings on my tele and strat and they’re spot on spec.


    My hypotheses are that:
    - either my Casino, albeit a 2019, has got the old-style pickups on it (it’s a Cherry red and I suspect these were never part of the new run), or
    - it is indeed a “new style Casino” as the date would suggest but Epiphone’s advertising at Summer NAMM 2018 that the Casino would henceforth sport “new P-90 Dogear Classic” instead of the plain “Epiphone P-90s” advertised previously was just marketing (and no specs are available AFAIK).


    I of course don’t care for readings per se, but after a honeymoon phase I thought that the guitar sounded a tad harsh and congested – good, but not as great as it could – and I suspected it had rather overwound pickups. Suspicion confirmed, and I believe I am going to try new P-90s… suggestions welcome of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiofm74
    I thought that the guitar sounded a tad harsh and congested – good, but not as great as it could – and I suspected it had rather overwound pickups. Suspicion confirmed, and I believe I am going to try new P-90s… suggestions welcome of course!
    That's why I ditched my Casino, plus the limited choice of replacement pups due to the polepiece spacing and unique neck pup cover.

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    Yes I’ve read about those difficulties but I don’t think I’m going to ditch the Casino. As it is, I still think it’s a great guitar – looks, playing experience, etc… – and there is some attachment. Even soundwise it’s a good bop flavor in a BF amp… I just have to fiddle a bit more than I’d like with the knobs.

    I do expect to be able to turn it into a GREAT blues and jazz fiddle tho, and I’m pretty confident that with a bit of homework I can find a good swap And since I’ll be doing that, I’ll probably fully replace the electronics with good quality pots, wire, switches…

    I care enough for the guitar to do that, and it’s going to be a fun project…

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    Interesting this thread pops up...I've been spending waaaaay too much time looking at guitars lately, and for some reason, it's been a lot of 330's and Casinos...

    I gotta get out of this house before it starts costing me more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Interesting this thread pops up...I've been spending waaaaay too much time looking at guitars lately, and for some reason, it's been a lot of 330's and Casinos...

    I gotta get out of this house before it starts costing me more money.
    Jeff before you get out… Casinos are wonderful little guitars for not much $$. I’m sure that with better pickups it will be a killer bop machine. SORRY FOR STOKING THE GAS!!

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    Since I wrote as the OP in 2016, I have the MIC '61 RI Casino, a limited run, but I still see them used on Reverb, but not a lot of them!
    Its a marvelous guitar, one of the best I've touched in over 50 years, so of course I bought it - instantly!
    It came with Gibson P90's, which are a favorite (among a few others) of P90' users. I haven't opened her up, so I have never checked anything - but I wouldn't change a thing, and it is the perfect guitar for me. I love it for jazz and blues, it plays effortlessly, and I find it hard to stop playing it.
    I'll be interested in seeing/playing the "new" USA Casino.

    (I would hope, radiofm74, that the Gibson P90's would fit yours)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Mack
    Since I wrote as the OP in 2016, I have the MIC '61 RI Casino, a limited run, but I still see them used on Reverb, but not a lot of them!
    Its a marvelous guitar, one of the best I've touched in over 50 years, so of course I bought it - instantly!
    It came with Gibson P90's, which are a favorite (among a few others) of P90' users. I haven't opened her up, so I have never checked anything - but I wouldn't change a thing, and it is the perfect guitar for me. I love it for jazz and blues, it plays effortlessly, and I find it hard to stop playing it.
    I'll be interested in seeing/playing the "new" USA Casino.

    (I would hope, radiofm74, that the Gibson P90's would fit yours)
    Thanks a lot! I’ve looked it up and there appear to be some difficulties (Do Gibson P90s fit Epiphone Casino ? - Gibson USA - Gibson Brands Forums), but I’m sure I’ll look into this very attractive option further. Thanks for the suggestion.

    I do share the sentiment about Casinos. And I must say that today, in about 15 minutes of determined effort to get a really good jazz sound out of mine, I managed it. The most unfairly neglected amp in the house – my Acoustic Image Clarus – did the trick: scoop the middle, crank the treble pretty high, keep the bass in check, low gain, a touch of verb, neck pickup, a little bit of roll-off on the volume dial… voilà. In coming days I think I’ll do some recordings with this setting to hear it “from a distance”, but it felt good playing it.

    I will still probably swap the pickups because I love the guitar, want it to be all it could be, and am curious of more appropriately voiced P90s, but I was happy with my experiment today.

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    This is on the Lollar-site about Casino P90s:

    Lollar Pickups: Dogear and Casino Model Page

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    I don’t know if the Peerless Songbird has the same dimensions as the Casino (after all, they once came out of the same factory) but forum member blile had no problems installing Gibson P90s in his Songbird:

    [NGD] Peerless Songbird

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    This is on the Lollar-site about Casino P90s:

    Lollar Pickups: Dogear and Casino Model Page
    Thanks a lot. Now I have also made accurate measurings of my pickups with a caliper so I should be able to determine what to buy. The Lollar page will be of great help and actually, Lollar is very much in the run!

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiofm74
    Thanks a lot. Now I have also made accurate measurings of my pickups with a caliper so I should be able to determine what to buy. The Lollar page will be of great help and actually, Lollar is very much in the run!
    Cool! Keep us posted about the outcome!

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    Been busy tweaking! At string change I’ve set-up neck relief and action and while I was at it I also…
    - filed the nut a little further using the “sandpaper under old string” method. Much easier action for cowboy chords and no more sharp notes. A bit of graphite in the slots… good to go.
    - upgraded the stock ABR-1 bridge, which rattled a bit and could not intonate perfectly the unwound G, to a Nashville Gotoh bridge. No rattle, perfect intonation. The pre-cut slots were perfectly aligned but a bit too shallow on the Es. Corrected with a very careful application of the same “sandpaper under string” method.
    - cleaned up and reinforced the contacts of the selector switch, which was a little dodgy out of the box. My first adventure at fishing out electronics. Now it works perfectly.
    - balanced a weak high E string in the neck pickup but setting the pole-piece higher (but not so high that it rattled)
    - carefully checked the fretwork ready to correct it, but it was more than good enough for my set-up (action ? 2 mm at XII fret). No buzzes anywhere.
    - New knobs and switch tip to better replicate the look of a ’66-‘67 cherry Casino. Still undecided whether I prefer the “nude” or “white guard” look (see pics).


    Investing very little money, and some care and time, I now have a guitar that plays as nice as any of my more high-end guitars: soft action across the neck, all notes ring out well, comfy neck, stunning looks. With careful dialing in of amp and pedals, it has a wide palette of lovely sounds that complement my strat, tele and acoustic archtop.


    Last touches in its future: lower-wind P-90s (on their way, COVID permitting) and once these are mounted I’ll get me a black pickguard too. But I’m in love with it as it is already…

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    Well done!

    Personally I’d put a black pickguard... just cosmetics but I am so unfortunate to care about those things.... ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Well done!

    Personally I’d put a black pickguard... just cosmetics but I am so unfortunate to care about those things.... ;-)
    We think alike: it’s exactly what I intend to do, and I’ve also located the supplier and the model of pickguard. But before pulling the trigger I want to install the new pickups and see if the measures are right (P-90s are apparently a little less standardized than others)…

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    Can you share the info on a p/g supplier? I am in need of an Epiphone p/g for my Rivoli bass. The original from the mid 60's has gassed off. It also corroded the string closest to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Mack
    Can you share the info on a p/g supplier? I am in need of an Epiphone p/g for my Rivoli bass. The original from the mid 60's has gassed off. It also corroded the string closest to it.
    It's WD music. They're the only ones I've found that have some choice of made-for-epiphone pickguards. They have operations in America and Europe.

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    I'm not a big fan of the upper fret access. It's hard to reach the higher frets. I've tried finding some L or long neck models, but most of the seem to be made in the 60s and are expensive. Gibson has done a few reissues with the longer necks as well. I've only ever tried them in guitar stores, but from what I can remember I really liked they way they sound and played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrogsprit
    I'm not a big fan of the upper fret access. It's hard to reach the higher frets. I've tried finding some L or long neck models, but most of the seem to be made in the 60s and are expensive. Gibson has done a few reissues with the longer necks as well. I've only ever tried them in guitar stores, but from what I can remember I really liked they way they sound and played.
    I hardly ever go down there at the dusty end, that’s why it doesn’t bother me … actually, I tend to use non-cutaway guitars for jazz :-O

    But I do see your point and yes, Gibson reissued the long neck 330. Not sure that it would cost less than, say, a 68-69 Casino… unfortunately there seem to be no affordable versions on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiofm74
    I hardly ever go down there at the dusty end, that’s why it doesn’t bother me … actually, I tend to use non-cutaway guitars for jazz :-OBut I do see your point and yes, Gibson reissued the long neck 330. Not sure that it would cost less than, say, a 68-69 Casino… unfortunately there seem to be no affordable versions on the market.
    There is the Stanford Crossroads Thinline 30:

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    Looks choice. Those are nothing but fun!

    Quote Originally Posted by radiofm74
    Been busy tweaking! . . . I’ll get me a black pickguard too.
    Black static-cling shelf-covering vinyl. $3.95 for a lifetime supply at the hardware store. Attach to your white guard, trim carefully & play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Sherry
    Black static-cling shelf-covering vinyl. $3.95 for a lifetime supply at the hardware store. Attach to your white guard, trim carefully & play.
    Haha, never thought of that, clever! But does it look as clean as a 5-ply, wide bevel pickguard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Haha, never thought of that, clever! But does it look as clean as a 5-ply, wide bevel pickguard?
    Several years ago I wound up with this Squier '51. (Fun guitar but I'm not a Strat guy.) The guard was toilet-white and I wanted to spend nothing, so shelf-covering did the trick. It would have looked better if I didn't try to cover up the pickup too.

    But hey, if you screw up there's plenty of extra -- peel it and try again!


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    Just a quick addition to the Casino thread here - I have the Epi '61 RI Casino with the Gibson P90's and good woods in the body. It came stock that way from the factory in China.
    I just changed strings on it and damn if it doesn't sound like a fine jazz guitar. Old Princeton Reverb with a newer speaker - an Eminence Legend 1058.
    I am constantly surprised by how great this guitar sounds, but with new strings !!!!! I played all afternoon on it. Kenny Burrell tone, George Benson, I sometimes wonder why I keep the L5, this guitar is so grand, it gets played more than any of the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Mack
    Just a quick addition to the Casino thread here - I have the Epi '61 RI Casino with the Gibson P90's and good woods in the body. It came stock that way from the factory in China.
    I just changed strings on it and damn if it doesn't sound like a fine jazz guitar. Old Princeton Reverb with a newer speaker - an Eminence Legend 1058.
    I am constantly surprised by how great this guitar sounds, but with new strings !!!!! I played all afternoon on it. Kenny Burrell tone, George Benson, I sometimes wonder why I keep the L5, this guitar is so grand, it gets played more than any of the others.
    Yes it’s a great guitar design and guitar sound, especially for jazz though not exclusively. I’ve found this too… dig the groove, the sound, and the cool factor … what a beaut that 330 is!


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    Two thoughts...

    1. First, I love the Casino. Came really close to buying one in 1996 right before I was about to get stationed in Germany, but with a baby in the way, I just couldn’t pull the trigger, especially since I have huge hands and need a wide nut. If they would’ve had a 1 3/4 wide nut, I’d have sold my beater pickup early and bought it (US Government only lets you take one vehicle overseas at their expense). A little over a year ago I ALMOST bought a Casino Coupe, as I loved the idea of a smallbodied hollowbody guitar, but ended up with the Godin 5th Avenue, partly because of the wider nut width.

    2. On the long-necked versions, it seems nice to have the access to those highest frets, but it would seem to me that it comes at the expense of shifting the tonal balance from moving the pickups and bridge forward, plus more likely to have neck dive issues. I rarely play above the 17th fret at all, so I could live with the restrictions to the upper frets and keep it more traditional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radiofm74
    Yes it’s a great guitar design and guitar sound, especially for jazz though not exclusively. I’ve found this too… dig the groove, the sound, and the cool factor … what a beaut that 330 is!

    and now that I've been improvising on vamps to loosen up a bit and tighten my rhythm I know first-hand.... ultimate funk jazz guitar!

    Z if you have the little money required available get one. Choose wisely and you won't be sorry

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    I love my Casino Coupe with Seymour Duncan Antiquities, it has a marvelous clarity and warm tone. It has the best tone of any guitar I have ever owned. It sounds better than the old Gibson 335 I have. have since added Graptech String Saver saddles for enhanced mid-range tone.
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    @rintincop... You are preachin' to the choir...LOL

    Were your SD P90's a drop in replacement?
    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by rintincop
    I love my Casino Coupe with Seymour Duncan Antiquities, it has a marvellous clarity and warm tone. It has the best tone of any guitar I have ever owned. It sounds better than the old Gibson 335 I have. have since added Graphtech String Saver saddles for enhanced mid-range tone.
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    Yes, they were drop in. They have a big fat clear tone, I use .08 strings with the action jacked so low it slightly buzzes. I do this so my fingers don't get stressed. It plays like butter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rintincop
    I love my Casino Coupe with Seymour Duncan Antiquities, it has a marvelous clarity and warm tone. It has the best tone of any guitar I have ever owned. It sounds better than the old Gibson 335 I have. have since added Graptech String Saver saddles for enhanced mid-range tone.
    Any neck dive? And does the neck feel narrow? I have really big hands, like size XL gloves feel tight sometimes and most of them don’t go all the way down to the webbings of my fingers. I couldn’t play a 1.625” nut. Was given a Gibson L6-S and sold it because the neck was too tiny.

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    On my '61 RI Casino, they put a healthy sized neck, one I can play. I can't play on those smallish necks either. Fortunately. most necks today are 1.68", and if they have some meat on the backside, I am a happy player. On my Casino, it's not that big but a bit thicker than a Fender Strat neck, and wonderful. Be wary of the Epiphone slim tapered necks - they are not narrow at the nut, but thinner, behind the first fret. Best thing is to play one if you can.
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    Been looking for an Epi Casino Coupe, and when I found one, of course it had to be turquoise! Well, I figured, I'm old enough to have some fun. The color is corny but retro, almost the same as my Dad's 1954 Ford Mainline. And when gigging eventually resumes, our graying band's even grayer audiences will no doubt appreciate a spot of color on the bandstand.

    On a more factual level: the guitar is flawless, fretboard and fret ends perfect, the neck (43 mm/1.7") not too narrow - in fact the same as my AFJ91 - and the P90s are dynamic and offer a broad tonal range. So far I've only played it through a TOOB Metro 6.5GP. With a DV Mark Micro 50 and a tad of reverb, instant gratification. When I switched to Quilter Interblock 45 and no reverb, I expected the tone to be overly dry - not so! I wanted a P90 thin body for test purposes but can't wait to get some frontline action with this sub-400€ cutesy-pie. After all, I'm obsessed by anything compact and lightweight. Looking ahead, any string suggestions are welcome.The current Casino thread probably offers some wisdom on this.
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    Cool color, you'll have fun with that! Depending on what your group does, a guitar like that matches up well with the D'Addario blues-rock set or the light set of Chromes for more a jazz approach.

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    Congrats on a great score! Time to get your Blue in Green on .

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    nice..perfect guitar to downsize with...its a full hollow like a casino, but slightly smaller sized..hence the coupe...those epi standard p-90 pups can be a tad shrill, so i'd recommend some nice pure nickel strings..rounds or flats...look into thomastik bebops(rounds) or jazz swings(flats)...or the equivalent pyramids...two top european string makers

    the turquoise does have that 50's car kitsch vibe

    congrats and enjoy

    cheers