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    Dear fellow jazz guitarists,

    Just found this picture in the liner notes of a Red Norvo album featuring Tal Farlow.

    Young Tal Farlow with a ES 150 Charlie Christian like guitar-booklet3-jpg

    His guitar is equipped with a CC pick up (see the screws). It looks like a prewar ES 150, but the fingerboard inlays are unusual for this model (blocks instead of dots).

    Has anyone ever seen this type of model ? This seems to be another proof that Gibson production process generated a lot of variations during these early years for electric archtops.

    Thanks and cheers.
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    ES-250 w/open book inlays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon View Post
    ES-250 w/open book inlays.
    Like this?

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    yessir

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon View Post
    ES-250 w/open book inlays.
    That's brillant ! Of course I know this model, but the guitar looks more like a 16'' wide model in Tal's hands, not 17'' like the ES 250. Until I've realized its Tal Farlow playing and that it is certainly 17'' wide. Tal was tall, that's the trick.

    Thanks
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    Yep. It looks like young Tal was using an ES-250, just like his hero, Charlie Christian--who moved up to the 250 as soon as it came out.

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    Something else you might notice, Tal's Es 250 was the guitar that he famously had the neck shortened, and the fingerboard replaced to give him extra frets clear of the body. The point of interest being that he also had the headstock re-shaped as well. The original Gibson ES-250 headstock is a most distinctive design.



    Compared with the re-shaped head,


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    edit: Answer above was faster and more informative
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    knew about the neck shortening and new board.
    always thought the headstock looked odd as it's bound, and early 250's w/stairstep headstock were unbound.
    but it has binding in both pics pubylakeg posted.

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    I like the tone of the 250 in "Darn That Dream." Presumably, it's a Gibson amp, too.

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    The cutest guitar.

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    From the photos in the Tal Farlow bio that came out a couple years ago, the neck was not actually shortened. The fingerboard was replaced with a shorter scale (by the distance from the nut to the 1st fret) one. The bridge was moved up accordingly. This put the body at the 16th fret instead of the 14th.
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    Some other ES-250 players,

    Herb Ellis, Carl Kress, T'Bone Walker had 2 of them, also Jack Hotop of the Joe Mooney quartet









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    You can see Tal playing that guitar here:


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    Cunamara is correct. I remember from reading, too, that Farlow changed the scale of his guitar by swapping fretboards and losing the first fret, adding the distance at the other end. This changed the fret/body joint to the 16th fret from the 14th fret. With Farlow's large hands this system gave him access to unbelievable intervals on the fretboard.

    This would be easily playable by Farlow on his ES-250:
    Young Tal Farlow with a ES 150 Charlie Christian like guitar-farlow-chord-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by David B View Post
    You can see Tal playing that guitar here:

    It doesn't look like Tal's guitar is plugged in.
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    T-Bone Walker did not have two ES-250s. The second picture shows T-Bone with a L7 (a later model) or a ES-300 with a Charlie Christian pickup. As most of you know the ES-250 was only made for 2 years and never had split parallelogram inlay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Bill View Post
    T-Bone Walker did not have two ES-250s. The second picture shows T-Bone with a L7 (a later model) or a ES-300 with a Charlie Christian pickup. As most of you know the ES-250 was only made for 2 years and never had split parallelogram inlay.
    it's true that the 250's official original run was about 12 months or so, late '39-late '40, but there were leftover bodies paired w/newer L-7 type necks sold after the war. I've seen several, including one @ Gruhn's a few yrs ago, though that one had a P-90.
    the guitar T-Bone is playing in the second pic is a circa 1947 model as it has the slanted script logo and period tuners.
    but if you look carefully you'll also see it has a 250 pickup w/individual blades and a multi bound guard, something the L-7 and ES-300 did not have.
    I don't know if it's a real '250' or custom guitar but I think it's open to debate.

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    Young Tal Farlow with a ES 150 Charlie Christian like guitar-24672517_1_l-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    It doesn't look like Tal's guitar is plugged in.
    Well, the movies and playback... Also the drummer jumps to dance in about 2:33 and You still hear the rhythm, the snare crescendos and all.

    Nice to see a bongo quartet with Ann Miller! I have always admired the Elvis's bongo patrol in Viva Las Vegas.


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    Quote Originally Posted by David B View Post
    You can see Tal playing that guitar here:

    Who's looking at Tal playing guitar? Those legs, man. It may be 2016 but those 1951 legs still give me a heart attack.