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  1. #401

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    [QUOTE=benrosow;970870]That is interesting to me because one of the guitars that stands out to me as overpriced rubbish the past 10 years is the 137. I have repeatedly tried them in shops not wanting to believe how poor and uneven the quality is and repeatedly I see a model built with an embarrassing lack of care. So I am glad to hear that you are liking them, but I wonder where you are finding these gems.

    I see the 137 as a reduced cost 135, which was a surprisingly well built guitar in the 90's and early 00's.

    That said, a good used 135 is a bargain in the $800-1500 price range. And it is a versatile guitar. It handles club rock volumes just fine. String it with .011's and it will be quite responsive to touch dynamics...not as much as a carved archtop, but more than most solid bodies.


    Does the 135 have the sustain and tuning stability of the 137 and get a deeper tone in your opinion on neck PU ?

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    Aside from the 137 seeming to be a later version of the 135 to a reduced price point, they "should" be about the same in construction. They both come in various P/U and bridge configurations so the variations within one model are probably greater than those between the models. e.g., My 135 has P100 stacked humbuckers where others have P90's or PAF types. They all have a big fat solid block from heel to end pin like a 335, but deeper since the body is deeper. I like the geometry of the guitar very much. But I think the sound of an apples to apples 137 vs 135 should be about the same, general quality issues aside. Less sustain than a Les Paul, but more resonance and greater response to pick attack. More sustain than a 175 but less picking dynamics and greater feedback resistance. I would not expect the neck P/U to be deeper or bassier on a 135 than a 137.

    For your 137, just make sure you play test it first and, if it passes inspection, then go for it. But I would not ever buy one off the web because I have seen too many junk examples. The 135's between '95 and '05 are more reliably of good quality.

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    If only two. Gibson 175 and Gibson 335. I like my old Ibanez Johnnie Smith and reissue Gretsch synchromatic. They don’t really do it for me, but they are great chordal chunka chunkas.

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    Take a "short neck" 330, put only one P90 in neck position, add one inch to the body depth, give it a beefy mahogany neck and also mahogany back and sides. Color it blonde or sunset burst.
    I'll certainly buy it.

  6. #405

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatayoyo
    Take a "short neck" 330, put only one P90 in neck position, add one inch to the body depth, give it a beefy mahogany neck and also mahogany back and sides. Color it blonde or sunset burst.
    I'll certainly buy it.
    A 50's ES175 might get you close. But no Mahogany backs, unfortunately.


  7. #406

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheThunder
    In your opinion, what would you describe as the best all around jazz guitar, either currently produced or out-of-production, and what makes it so amazing.

    just for fun

    Thunder
    For me - my '06 Gibson ES-175 with '57 Classics. Looks great, plays great, feels great, sounds great. A keeper.

  8. #407

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    Gibson got very close to perfection at least three times: ES-175, ES-350 (original style, before short-scale and PAFs), and the L5-CES.

    I realize that one has a shorter scale, but it is SUCH a sweet jazz guitar. I played one for 30 years, for goodness' sake. At this point, it's like a marriage.

    Still, the 17" archtops, i.e., the L5 and the ES-350, are virtually unbeatable for getting it done on the job. I will, without regret, sub a Fender in there on the band stand--but it is a substitute for what I truly have in mind.

    I am always imagining, "How would things sound, right now, if I were playing an L5?"

  9. #408

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    The perfect jazz guitar is whichever one I am selling at the time.

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    I would settle for a Gibson Johnny Smith single pick-up for my ultimate Jazz guitar, but of course, it would have to be a "good one", meaning not all guitars are created equal, even if they are the same make and model.

    What I have to be happy with is my 1988 ES-175 (mahogany back and sides), an Unsung 1989 MIK Epi Sheraton, and a 1992 MIK Epi Emperor Regent.

  11. #410

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    I've had and currently have many archtops, solid bodies and a semi hollow. My ES 175 remains my favorite. I recently acquired a Byrdland. It sounds really good. I briefly thought it could be my main guitar. ES 175 fought back. Regained her crown. As she always does.

  12. #411

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    If you ask a visual artist to draw a jazz guitar from memory

    (I'll bet). they'll draw an L5ces with a Venetian cutaway

    its the Iconic shape for a Jazz box

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    The ES-125 is the perfect jazz guitar, because:

    - it has only pickup, so one does not become tempted to use the devilish bridge pickup that sounds no good for jazz;
    - it has no cutaway, so one has to become creative in the 0-14 fret range, which sounds much better anyway;
    - it is fully hollow and will feedback on higher volume levels so one is not tempted to play too loud;
    - it has no thrills and no fancy ornaments so one is not tempted to show off with a fancy guitar but can only show off with good playing;
    - it has a P90 which is THE ultimate jazz pickup and is not affected by the dreadful and utterly useless PAF-hype;
    - it was only available in sunburst (not counting the early hog versions), so one is not tempted to have a mine-looks-better-than-yours contest;
    - it does not cost 5k;
    - Martijn van Iterson plays one.

    End of discussion!

    ;-)
    Last edited by Little Jay; 11-05-2019 at 09:58 AM.

  14. #413

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    The ES-125 is the perfect jazz guitar, because:


    - Martijn van Iterson plays one.

    End of discussion!

    ;-)
    That's your real name, right?

  15. #414

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOMMO
    That's your real name, right?
    Shhhhhh!
    Keep it quiet.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Shhhhhh!
    Keep it quiet.....

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    For me, for the moment, it is my 1983 Made in Japan IBANEZ FG100 (right). I love the neck shape! I love how it looks! I love the originality! The untouched condition! I love the unplugged sound so much as the plugged in sound. That is very important for me, because I play very often just a short session with out an amp. It doesn’t sound like an acoustic Archtop if you play unplugged. Of course... it’s an laminated electric hollow body, made for plugged playing and for high resistance against feedback. But it has a nice balanced sound between high and low frequencies. So I enjoy my short unplugged sessions as well.

    It’s a very nice “player-friendly” guitar. The old original super 58 Japanese PAF pickups are just amazing in my opinion. If you look exactly at the picture, you will recognize that the FG100 (right) has the neck PU in a different position than the newer AF200 (left). That is one of the most interesting difference between these guitars. The FG100 is similar to the IBANEZ Joe Pass Signatur model in this case. These two beauty’s has more than 33 years of life between each other.

    The AF200 (left) is also a Made in Japan IBANEZ. It has different woods, it’s newer, it’s a bit more an exclusive model I guess. It’s similar great as the FG100. I just prefer the older one, because of it’s age and it looks a bit more simple and pure to me. I like that a lot!
    I know the AF200 (Prestige) is a newer model... But I really don’t care about “Voodoo”... it’s still one of the best playable and good sounding electric Archtop guitars I owned, so I love both of them. Until now, I owned several different and nice Archtops. I’m not a professional player and I don’t use guitars in a very high price segment, just because I don’t need them. These two beautiful guitars are also not the cheapest one... but they are worth every penny you pay for them. That’s true! ... at least in my case Perfect Jazz guitar?Perfect Jazz guitar?
    So I just love the good high quality Japanese stuff! Don’t get me wrong, Gibson guitars are also great. They are just a bit to expensive for that what you get. In this case, you always pay a part just for the name on it. But they are great, of course Perfect Jazz guitar?
    Sooo... I’ll proceed with my Japanese guitars and who knows... there is always a free place for a new one Perfect Jazz guitar? ... who knows... what guitar will next become a part of my life Perfect Jazz guitar?Perfect Jazz guitar?

    Best regards for Munich


    Last edited by Seven; 12-28-2019 at 06:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    not mine Just chiming in on the thread, it's a random Gibson L5 pic from the net! Not so easy to find one of these left handed for a normal price where I live.

    I would put a 175 next to it though, for a gigging jazz musician..!
    Wow, I just happened to stumble onto this. That is my guitar! It is a Gibson L5 Signature that I custom ordered in 2001 right after they were introduced at NAMM. The custom features are natural finish and one pickup (rather than two). It is full scale. The sofa is cloth, not leather.

    Here are some more pics, taken from the same session (it's more flamey in person):





    It is a great playing and sounding guitar. I have it strung with TI 13 flats and I can cop tones from Wes-esque to Grant Green-esque depending on my attack and varying the tone control. It is an electric guitar. The acoustic tones are OK, but not close to my old Guild/Benedetto Artist Award (which was the second best acoustic archtop I've ever played; the first was a 30's L5 which was an orchestra).

  19. #418

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    Attachment 63685
    Ha, look who showed up!
    I have had the pleasure of playing this guitar and it's pretty darned swell.
    But, Jay, we've got to do something about that pickguard.

  20. #419

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    Attachment 63685
    Ha, look who showed up!
    I have had the pleasure of playing this guitar and it's pretty darned swell.
    But, Jay, we've got to do something about that pickguard.
    Tailpiece could also be more graceful and appropriately proportioned, but I'm wary of messing with anything since it plays and sounds great.

    In the future I hope a custom single pickup natural/blond ES-275 P90 hollow body with rosewood/parallelograms will join this guitar.

  21. #420

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    I own two of the nicest jazz guitars I've ever played, and I think I can honestly say that I haven't yet met the nicest jazz guitar there is. Maybe someday. I probably wouldn't be able to afford it anyway.

    That's the key, isn't it? We buy what our budget will allow for. My first nice jazz box was an Ibanez 2455NT, built in 1977. It was a copy of the Gibson L4CES -- I think I have the alphabet soup right. And it was a gorgeous guitar, sounded as good as it looked, too. I owned it for about 10 years and sold it about 10 years ago, in a moment of too many guitars and not enough cash. I regret selling it.

    To make up for the loss, I bought an Ibanez AG85 about six years ago. This guitar was built in 2004. It is a smaller body size and not as deep as the old 2455NT, but it has a wonderful sound, and plays like a dream.

    A few months ago, I was in a local guitar shop and spied another Ibanez -- a 1977 2355M. I couldn't resist, so I bought it and took it home. This guitar is a sort of deluxe looking ES-175 with its flame maple wood all over. Like my other 1977 Ibanez, this one also is a wonderful player. It has that larger box and has a great jazz sound. This is the 2355M with the pickguard removed (who needs one of those things anyway?).
    Perfect Jazz guitar?-ibanez_2355m_7a-jpg

    I have more pics of my guitars but they're on another computer, so I'll have to add them later.

  22. #421

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    I would say something like dual humbucker mahogany guitar.
    Since everyone is saying hollow body.
    I say next are; dual humbucker mahogany body guitars.

  23. #422

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    The Telecaster, and the ES335

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    Perfect jazzer for me is the L5 but I’ve been toying with a Fender Jazzmaster hardtail that has been a lot of fun lately and my first non hollow body. It has 13 Tomastik flatwounds, with a P90 soapbar in the neck position. I’ve also changed the pots and caps to give it a darker sound and it’s a blast. I originally purchased it to turn into a Fender xii but I may just keep it like this since a reissue of the Fender xii just came out and it has a cool sound.

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    cool, did you grow them from seed?

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    Yap, mahogany dual humbuckers jazz guitars are underrated by hollow bodies.

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    For now I found my perfect tool for our blend of jazz, funk and soul with this little japanese guitar.

    It is super versatile, can be played loud and it is very easy to play. I had an Eastman carved from solid woods before, but the howling drove me so nuts that I played telecasters for like 10 years. Only recently I rediscovered a desire for hollow guitars – it came with the new band I'm in. ;-)

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  28. #427

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    Quote Originally Posted by guavajelly
    For now I found my perfect tool for our blend of jazz, funk and soul with this little japanese guitar.

    It is super versatile, can be played loud and it is very easy to play. I had an Eastman carved from solid woods before, but the howling drove me so nuts that I played telecasters for like 10 years. Only recently I rediscovered a desire for hollow guitars – it came with the new band I'm in. ;-)

    Perfect Jazz guitar?-img_5441-jpg
    I can’t say that enough... the top of the line high quality Japan IBANEZ guitars are soooo beautiful and gorgeous to play. They sound fantastic! Are versatile, have no feedback issues... and I also enjoy just to play them with their pure unplugged sound. Crazy guitars!!! Honestly!!!
    And the best thing with them is:
    They’re worth every penny you pay for them.

    With your GB-10 you have one of IBANEZ best guitars they ever build in my mind Perfect Jazz guitar?Perfect Jazz guitar?

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    A beautiful guitar. I've wanted one since the late 70s. I get by these days with an AG85, which I love. Got a question, though -- which model is that in the background? Looks a little bit like my AG85, but different.

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    It's a humble AG75. Must be one of the first that got to the Stores in 2002. I jumped on it as soon as Ibanez brought the Artcore to the market. Later I added a wooden bridge which makes a lot of difference. The best thing is that played without an amp it still is different to the GB – but not that much worse. It's maybe 1/3 inch deeper and a bit lighter than the GB.
    Unfortunately played into an amp the difference in quality is more apparent. I bought a Seymour Duncan Jazz Pickup on ebay that will go into it at the end of month when the luthier finds time for that. I hope it will make a really nice backup than.
    BTW our organ player posted a video of our last gig (me playing the GB10) on facebook: Last weekend with DOG (Drums Organ... - Alexander Tschersich
    I hope the jazzguitar forum can tolerate the funk.

  31. #430

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    Quote Originally Posted by guavajelly
    BTW our organ player posted a video of our last gig (me playing the GB10) on facebook: Last weekend with DOG (Drums Organ... - Alexander Tschersich
    I hope the jazz guitar forum can tolerate the funk.
    CONGRATULATIONS! Very enjoyable! Thanks for the link.

  32. #431

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    Any guitar that Wes Montgomery is playing.

  33. #432

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooltouch
    A beautiful guitar. I've wanted one since the late 70s. I get by these days with an AG85, which I love. Got a question, though -- which model is that in the background? Looks a little bit like my AG85, but different.
    My AG75 now sports the Seymour Duncan Jazz pickup I bought on Ebay. It brought the guitar forward quite a bit (more acoustic, transparent tone – that was what I hoped for) but it's still not in the same league as the GB10. The GB just sounds better, nicer and punchier at the same time. It should as it costs like 8 times more. ;-) I guess the maple neck and ebony fretboard produce that tone to a great amount.

  34. #433

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    the perfect guitar does not yet exist for me and my music*, but if Fender made this one in 8 strings, I would surely be tempted
    *that's why I don't perform by on stage

    TELECASTER ACOUSTASONIC FENDER



  35. #434

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    I was too lazy to read through all the answers, but in my opinion the best jazz guitar is which fits you the best...

    I have an old korean Aria Pro II-FA 70, and I would never change it to another axe, not even for a Gibson. Thats the best for me.