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  1. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic View Post
    I noticed no one has mentioned a Pat Martino Guitar. Anyone have an opnion on these? I have a chance to buy one at a reasonable price.
    I saw Pat Martino quartet in July some months ago. A very nice concert. Pat never left its guitar and arrived and went away carrying it into the car. I think its guitar is very precious for him. Could be great to have one.

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  3. #102

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    i play a epiphone joe pass sunburst. as the fret brd. is a shorter scale, it is easer to play for me, due to an accident to my pointer finger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valriver40 View Post
    i play a epiphone joe pass sunburst. as the fret brd. is a shorter scale, it is easer to play for me, due to an accident to my pointer finger.
    I too have one of these except that I've had Gibson pickups installed - a friend was upgrading his Les Paul Studio with new Screaming Death Metal Crazyhead pickups - or somesuch - so I took the old ones off him for a sensible price, and they give the Epi a much fuller, warmer sound. Only problem is that with short, fat fingers, I find some chords a bit of a struggle on that fingerboard. More work needed I'm afraid (on me, not the guitar!)

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    I also play a Joe Pass with GIbson pick ups. Isn't the fretboard the same as any Gibson/Epiphone. I haven't noticed a difference.

  6. #105

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    Quote Originally Posted by mangotango View Post
    - a friend was upgrading his Les Paul Studio with new Screaming Death Metal Crazyhead pickups
    the reissues? man, the original screaming death metal crazyhead pickups are where it's at.

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    the epiphone specs list the broadway, all their acoustics as 25.50 scale and the joe pass as 24.75 scale which includes the les pauls ect. i do have a broadway and with only 3 fingers the joe pass is easyer to play.

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    Wow, that's surprising, I had on idea.

  9. #108

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    which is why I was having such trouble cramming those fingers into certain chord shapes. Anyway, that's my excuse Mr. Guitar Teacher......

  10. #109

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    I guess I'll have to dump my Joe Pass and buy a Gibson L5.

  11. #110

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    I play mostly Fender Stratocasters, Mustangs, Jaguars, and Telecasters. I find these guitars to be my favorite. I also have played several guitars like an Ibanez designed in the style of a Gibson 335. I seem to always return to the Fenders.


    Unlike most jazz players or jazz influenced players, I use the bridge position to get a jazz tone, but adjust my amplifier to make the tone warmer.


    Terje Rypdal
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    I guess that the answer is that the Perfect Jazz Guitar is...

    the one that lets you be creative and helps you to play while giving you the sound that you want.





    Of course, if it has those Screaming Death Metal Crazyhead pickups, they're only going to help.

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    Lots of comments on Telecasters. I owned at least 5 Telecasters and frankly, I do not feel that they have a Jazz feel at all. The only one I tried lately is a Luthier hand made with a gorgeous figured walnut top and Seymour 52 pickups. Really nice ring to it, very musical and good neck for finger style playing. Again, compared to my Aria pro Herb Ellis, it's not even near for mellow jazz sound.
    I think mahogany Guitars sound better for jazz, at least better than alder (midrangy and punchy) or ash (Some Telecasters and Strats). Those are better for rock, pop or country. I have a Guild Bluesbird (mahogany with quilted maple top) with chambered Les Paul type body and it sounds pretty nice for jazz, not ideal but good.

    Traditional Jazz requires a warm and dampened sound with less sparkle. Although, I have seen Mike Stern with a Tele and he sounds good. He would have a better tone with an archtop I think. Tele sounds a little bit too bright for my taste. In fact I sold all of them. Not for me I guess.

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    Let me say that I can get just as good of a tone, if not better, with a Fender Stratocaster. In fact, what puzzles people is the fact that I play in the bridge pickup position instead of the neck pickup position. I also have both tone knobs all the way up. I just adjust my amplifier accordingly and I have all the warmth of a Telecaster in the bridge position. I have found my tone and I can't do this with any other guitar for some reason.

    Archtops are always going to sound good, but most of them, for me, lack the kind of playing a solidbody guitar has. If I play an archtop it's just for single-note lines, because chord voicings are hard to grab on them. That's why I like the Stratocaster for it's playability, tone, and versatility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stratojet View Post
    .... In short, it's like a good golfer. Does not matter really what kind of clubs you have. It's what you do with them!
    Very well said !!!
    Best Regards,

    Jean

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
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    i'd like to hear a recording with the strat, fris. i bet you get a unique sound.

    Ditto !!!

    Quite unusual using the bridge pickup !
    Best Regards,

    Jean

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    Thanks to this thread I bought a Telecaster and love it. I'm also thinking of getting a semi hollow guitar to round out my collection. The 335 is too big. The ES 339 and the CS 336 are smaller semi guitars that I'm considering.

    Does anyone have experience with these guitars for jazz, or can you lead me to pro's that use these guitars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcayer View Post
    Ditto !!!

    Quite unusual using the bridge pickup !

    I should say it's not that unusual for me to use the bridge pickup. I used the bridge pickup for 9 years straight and the neck pickup position for 10 years, before finally returning to the bridge position last month. I have found that if I adjust my amplifier and cut out a lot of treble that the bridge pickup produces I am left with a warmer sound, but it's also got a more punchy sound. I'm not using any compression either. It's basically just the Boss ME-50 and Lexicon MPX-110 straight into the amp. There's really nothing altering the tone at all. I now have one of the cleanest and most pure tones I've ever had on the guitar. Now, I'm trying to get it even cleaner if that's possible.
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  19. #118

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    My opinion the perfect guitar is whatever suits you as a player

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack_curio View Post

    P.S. It's my first post, so greetings everyone and excuse my for the poor language quality.

    EDIT: I've almost forgot - anyone heard about Cort's TRG (Jim Triggs) models? Cort TRG-2
    Jack,

    Don't worry. Your English is fine. I probably wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't said anything. (And, by the way, welcome from another newcomer here!)

    I have a Cort Triggs I (one Mighty Mite pickup, Gretschy orange). It's absolutely great (fully hollow body) guitar that makes a *fantastic* jazz sound, IMO. Within thirty seconds of playing, I knew I was in trouble and that I'd have to buy it. (Great deal on it used, too.) The Triggs II looks really great, too, but I prefer the simplicity, the jazziness if you will, of the first model. Plus I only ever use the neck pickup anyway. Is the II also a fully hollow body guitar?

    By the way, I also recently got a Cort Neil Zaza solid body model for a relative steal on eBay, and it's fantastic. I really think that Cort must be a well-guarded secret. Superbly made and fantastic sounding. (I have several high end axes to compare these to, and there's nothing they're lacking in, believe me.)

    Cheers,
    Larry

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    it's not the instrument but the musician playing it!!!!

    time on the instrument..pierre...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic View Post
    Thanks to this thread I bought a Telecaster and love it. I'm also thinking of getting a semi hollow guitar to round out my collection. The 335 is too big. The ES 339 and the CS 336 are smaller semi guitars that I'm considering.

    Does anyone have experience with these guitars for jazz, or can you lead me to pro's that use these guitars?
    Nic, I have a CS 356. It's basically the same guitar as the CS 336, but with a little more eye candy (i.e. gold HW, flame maple top etc), think of what the ES 355 was to the ES 335.

    I absolutly LOVE this guitar. I traded a ES 355 for this. I didn't use the 355 much. The CS is very comfortable to play & sounds fantastic with the solid routed mahogany body. You can get a great jazz sound, but also don't need to worry about cranking it up and getting feedback. Very versatile, I highly recommend it.


    Ron

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    I use a Tele ,HW1 body ,Baja neck,with a Seymour Duncan Alnico II neck pickup .Sweet and warm but clear but will go very soft and vintage jazzy if required .I have a Tonerider hotter bridge pickup and it s great for blues .I also have it wired up with a four way switch and its a very versatile instrument indeed .I mainly play Ed Bickert type chordy finger style for Jazz .i keep meaning to fit a rosewood neck but never get round to it .The maple neck is OK but a bit ringy .I also Have an Epiphone Dot SE with hardware upgrades and Tonerider Rocksongs .These also will give a good jazz tone through a valve amp .Of course it is great for overdrive and rock but will give good tones clean as well .Not sure which I would grab in a fire .The Tele probably though more work has gone into the Dot .

  24. #123

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    The perfect jazz guitar is a Gibson L5.

    Unfortunately it requires the perfect amp in the perfect room at the perfect volume with the perfect phrasing from the perfect player, or there's going to be trouble!

    For the rest of us mere mortals who must somehow get heard over the imperfect drummer in an imperfect room playing imperfectly on tunes that nobody wants to hear (between announcements about whoever left their headlights on in the parking lot), while avoiding the drunk chick -who wants to sing along's- BIG and drunk husband...

    ...a Tele is the weapon of choice (and I do mean weapon).

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    Nothing sounds like a hollowbody...nothing. Even 335 style axes, while workable and close, cannot get what you get from a 175, L5, Super 400 and the like. Strats, Teles, LPs etc. can sound great but they can never approach what you get from a big hollow body in my opinion.

  26. #125

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    Ed Bickert, man... Ed Bickert. I'm a hollow-body guy myself but under the right conditions teles sound as jazz as anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frisellfan19 View Post
    I have an Ibanez AF75, which I love



    I don't play it very much, because of the new sound I discovered, but I think it's a nice sounding hollowbody.
    Great choice in guitar I seriously love this guitar and can't get over it's great tone, it's just so Jazzy!

    I would really say it's down to opinion on the best guitar but I would also say the Ibanez AF75, and the Westone Rainbow II:



    Such a good tone, and works brilliantly for the fusion musicians.

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    I own a George Golla model guitar made by MATON here in Australia. One of the best guitars I ever played with and thats what George golla says always. By aussie made not one of these cheap asian made imports.

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    If you want to imitate a traditional jazz sound then you probably need a good archtop hollow body. But to me JAZZ means a progressive style of music open to experimentation and new ideas and whatever guitar suits your style and sensibility would be acceptable.

    I mentioned earlier in this thread that I bought a Tele. About a month ago I bought a Gibson Johnny A. These two guitars cover it all for me.

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    I bought an unexpensive acoustic Ibanez (150 Euros) a Seymour Duncan Seth Lover Neck Pickup, build a pickguard and a set of flatwounds and: voila!. the combo is also made by myself, bought an Celestion Greenback speaker, build the box and put in an inexpensive Yamaha MS-202 monitor amp (after I removed the original speakers and half of the outer box). Sounds great, Roland Jazz chorus type. I use a MXR Phaser. I think you can't talk about the perfect jazz guitar without mentioning the amp you use.(except the case when the guitar is completely acoustic, unplugged)

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    That looks like a very nice guitar, and a cool way to go, provided you're a bit handy...
    Smart idea!
    Peace
    Skei (the admire handy people one)

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    I play on a msc650 from ibanez. mostly it's sold as a western guitar, but in fact it is not. It's a hybrid guitar, which means it is neither an accustic nor an electric guitar, but something in between.
    The pros are, that it provides a rich spectrum of different sounds, with and without effects, with and without distortion out of the box.
    It is propable not comparable to a high-end archtop. But you can configure a nice warm sound and can play it without amp, too. I do not play over an amp any more, but use the xvamp of behringer and from their into my powermixer. My old Marshal is standing in the edge and remembers me of my youth. That way I can use almost infinite different sound-setups, that obviously also match for Jazz.
    The guitar was not too expensive - it costed about 450 to 500 $ (550€), comes with a guitar-case and looks quite nice. I think it is absolutely useful for any gig, though I did not try it on one yet (I just have it for a month now).

    At least it is a very good setup for beginners on the jazz area, because it enables you to play almost every sound, you like.

    And if I have got enough motivation to practice for the next years and get famous one day, I still can buy a really excellent archtop

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    remember:" it's not the guitar but the one playing it"...

    time on the instrument..pierre..

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    May I respectfully add a little curved ball to your recommendations on Jazz guitars? I would like to offer up my own little beast for nomination. It's loaded with new york mini-humbuckers which someone mentioned they were looking for in a guitar, further more it comes out of a very reputable stable even today, it's very high on looks (you can put away the funny beret and beard to turn a girl's head), it was produced in a limited edition and is no longer produced now so you're not going clash with anyone at the battle of the bands and finally it was designed rather than cloned. Ladies and Gentlemen, charge your glasses and stand for the toast. I give you the Ephiphone FlameKat Limited ! A beast in its own right and of course an archtop with the advantages of being a thinline! Check it out if you can.
    Cheers

    Fast Eddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by derek View Post
    Here is a clip of a guy I study with in the summer, playing chord melody on a Klein. See what you think.



    BTW, since you can't get a Klein anymore ($5000+ used on ebay), Chris Forshage is making an ergonomic version that takes some design ideas from the Klein. Here is a youtube video of one Chris made. Mine will be a black burst.


    It's an headless guitar like that buttocks guitar, that Jazzerette thing. But i think that Jazzerette will have a more acoustic sound then the Klein electric, don't you think?

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    I bought a gen-yooo-wine Gibson ES-335 for jazz. Perfect guitar for jazz, right? Well, it's certainly been used alot for jazz, and it also plays rock, blues. Perfect. I was in heaven. I had MY guitar.

    Trouble is, I've had it 8 months, and I don't like it. Sounds great. Neck plays very well. Pickups sound great.

    But it's uncomfortable to play...ergonomically (I play seated). No matter how I sit with it, whether resting it on one or the other thigh, or strapping it on with a strap, with foot propped or not, with the guitar at various angles, it just doesn't feel right. I'm either hunching or twisting somehow, or one or the other arms is in an uncomfortable spot, or the guitar is unbalanced and I'm holding it up with one or the other arms.

    My wife bought me a $350 MIM Strat for Christmas. I love it. Not quite as warm or airy as th 335, although, as someone said, you can get there pretty nicely with amp eq'ing. But it sounds fantastic. I use the neck or the neck/middle position, and it's comfy, light, it's perfect.

    The 335 is up for sale and I'm replacing it with a synth guitar.

    I think you can play jazz on any guitar. The only thing I really, really believe is that guys who are playing jazz archtops, or ES-175s, or similar guitars, look more like traditional jazz players. But the sound is whatever you make. Every guitar poses different challenges in technique, but I really believe you get the tone from your left and right hands. A good amp helps, of course, but there is a way to make jazz on any guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86general View Post
    I bought a gen-yooo-wine Gibson ES-335 for jazz. Perfect guitar for jazz, right? Well, it's certainly been used alot for jazz, and it also plays rock, blues. Perfect. I was in heaven. I had MY guitar.

    Trouble is, I've had it 8 months, and I don't like it. Sounds great. Neck plays very well. Pickups sound great.

    But it's uncomfortable to play...ergonomically (I play seated). No matter how I sit with it, whether resting it on one or the other thigh, or strapping it on with a strap, with foot propped or not, with the guitar at various angles, it just doesn't feel right. I'm either hunching or twisting somehow, or one or the other arms is in an uncomfortable spot, or the guitar is unbalanced and I'm holding it up with one or the other arms.

    My wife bought me a $350 MIM Strat for Christmas. I love it. Not quite as warm or airy as th 335, although, as someone said, you can get there pretty nicely with amp eq'ing. But it sounds fantastic. I use the neck or the neck/middle position, and it's comfy, light, it's perfect.

    The 335 is up for sale and I'm replacing it with a synth guitar.

    I think you can play jazz on any guitar. The only thing I really, really believe is that guys who are playing jazz archtops, or ES-175s, or similar guitars, look more like traditional jazz players. But the sound is whatever you make. Every guitar poses different challenges in technique, but I really believe you get the tone from your left and right hands. A good amp helps, of course, but there is a way to make jazz on any guitar.
    Please DO NOT SELL your 335!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple View Post
    Please DO NOT SELL your 335!

    Listen to Pineapple - I'm 'researching' guitars for jazz and have tried the Epi 335 (with upgraded hardware), and agree about the difficulty of playing it seated, the problem of balance etc (I bought the ES137 instead as a result). Then, mostly because of the enthusiasm of this forum, treated myself to an American Tele - great. So you're right again, you CAN play jazz on anything you like; but I'm not even selling the Epi, because you can come to love the 335 shape, so don't sell the Gibson - and certainly not for a synth.

    R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAQ View Post
    Listen to Pineapple - I'm 'researching' guitars for jazz and have tried the Epi 335 (with upgraded hardware), and agree about the difficulty of playing it seated, the problem of balance etc (I bought the ES137 instead as a result). Then, mostly because of the enthusiasm of this forum, treated myself to an American Tele - great. So you're right again, you CAN play jazz on anything you like; but I'm not even selling the Epi, because you can come to love the 335 shape, so don't sell the Gibson - and certainly not for a synth.

    R.
    Just curious why you guys say not to sell it...if you agree about the ergonomics, etc.?

    My feeling is "life's too short" to hang onto something you don't use or want, just because "it's a classic Gibson" or whatever.

    I ordered the synth guitar already (Carvin)...don't have to sell the Gibson, don't need the money, but just thinkin' it makes sense to dump it and move on.

    But maybe I'm not thinking clearly. Tell me why you'd keep it.

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    I get rid of what I don't use. If it doesn't get played, I kick it to the curb.
    jam on,
    Terry

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86general View Post
    Just curious why you guys say not to sell it...if you agree about the ergonomics, etc.?

    My feeling is "life's too short" to hang onto something you don't use or want, just because "it's a classic Gibson" or whatever.

    I ordered the synth guitar already (Carvin)...don't have to sell the Gibson, don't need the money, but just thinkin' it makes sense to dump it and move on.

    But maybe I'm not thinking clearly. Tell me why you'd keep it.
    Some reasons to keep your 335:
    - life is too short (that's the reason why I bought my ES 175)
    - It's a classic Gibson (that's the reason why I bought my ES 175),
    - You don't need money (that's the reason why I'd like to buy YOUR ES 335)...

    However, enjoy your brand new Carvin.

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    Totally agree on the ergonomics of the 335. I played a friends for a while, the only way to play it was with a strap and standing. I have a similar problem with my Melody Maker, a little too small and light to be comfortable playing sitting down.

    I think you should sell it. Why should I be the only one who sells guitars only to have them be worth enough to fund my retirement in 20 years?

    Brian

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    Make me an offer, Pineapple.

    lineofgennari@yahoo.com

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    And what would one be asking for a gen-u-wine es-335 that they really don't need and will never be comfy with unless they're standing...?

    Just curious...

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    "If you don't know what it is, then it must be JAZZ!" --The Legend of 1900

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squint View Post
    And what would one be asking for a gen-u-wine es-335 that they really don't need and will never be comfy with unless they're standing...?

    Just curious...

    My 335: Cherry red, figured top. Bought new, July 2008. Only sign of use is a few pickguard marks. It was recently set up by a very good luthier, has nice action, etc.

    From a local boutique store owner (John Reynolds), he said my guitar would sell, in his store, for between $2000 and $2300.

    So, if someone offers me $2000, it's out the door. I'd probably go a little lower, but I'm not doing the fire sale thing. (My personal finances are not, thankfully, poisoned with 'toxic assets.' Maybe Obama will buy my guitar.)

  46. #145
    I've got a D'Aquisto Centura in the rare violin-burst finish (see my avatar pic paid 2K for her...) ready for an even trade if you're interested. It's never been out of my home studio and is just as special as the other Centura I have. Every note is just as loud as the next on this acoustic and it's perfect for adding a floating pup to, which was my original intention when I bought it, just never got around to it. Or, we can exchange and try them if we pay our own shipping. I know I'm a newbie here, but we can do it through PayPal if you like. I've got 100% favorable on eBay if that helps...

    Got a pic of your 335?

    I've got plenty more of the Centura if you're at all interested just let me know!
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    It's the one on the right...


    Last edited by Squint; 02-19-2009 at 06:58 PM.
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    Squint: Send an email address and I'll send you some pictures. I wasn't thinking of a trade, but that's enticing. The only thing is, I wouldn't want an acoustic...I'd want one with a pickup already. But I'll send you photos of the 335 anyway.

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    Great! Best thing about the Centura is that the luthiers at Aria's custom shop in Japan made her with the sonic forethought of adding a floating pup later. At least this way, YOU get to pick and choose exactly what you like that sounds best. Chances are, though, you might be so impressed with the sound while miked, you might just want to keep it acoustic. I was personally going to make another ebony fingerrest to be able to switch out from floater to full acoustic, but as I said... too many guitars, too little time.

    Of course, we could always agree to return the other guitar if EITHER of us changes our minds over a week or two...

    Look at me.. I don't even KNOW you guys and I'm already bartering my CHILDREN with you! LOL!!

    What the hey... it's worth a try.
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    "If you don't know what it is, then it must be JAZZ!" --The Legend of 1900

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    PM sent, general!
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    I also did the custom pickguard/fingerrests on the J9's in the center... It's very easy to take a Benedetto rest and shape it just like the original D'Aquisto as I did for a pal's Hofner Verithin...







    Last edited by Squint; 02-19-2009 at 07:35 PM.
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    "If you don't know what it is, then it must be JAZZ!" --The Legend of 1900