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  1. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
    I don't get it. I have listened to two Tal Farlow clips today (this one and Joe Ds) and none sounded anything like mine. As if I was listening to a different model.

    DB
    I see what you mean, but I can still hear that it is a Tal on all mentioned recordings, al least I hope so (after taking your blindfold test a couple days ago I can't be sure of anything though).

    One idea is that you record your Tal pretty dry (which makes it sound fatter), I like a touch of a long hall reverb, which makes it sound thinner, but sweeter ;-)

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  3. #102

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    Btw. I would love someone who's determined enough to listen through the whole thing to actually write some critique.

    I'd rather hear one voice saying "intro time could be better", "too many notes on the solo", "not enough contact/connection between the two of you", than 5 saying that it's great only this way we can improve. I know not many of us like that, but I'm one of the few!
    Last edited by jzjazz; 03-16-2018 at 05:34 AM.

  4. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by jzjazz
    Btw. I would love someone who's determined enough to listen through the whole thing to actually write some critique.

    I'd rather hear one voice saying "intro time could be better", "too many notes on the solo", "not enough contact/connection between the two of you", than 5 saying that it's great only this way we can improve. I know now many of us like that, but I'm one of the few!
    This is tricky territory. I steer clear of telling others what I really think. More often than not when I read "that sounds great" or "great playing" I hear mediocrity at best. Sometimes downright poor playing. That's the way of the internet. I have been on fora almost 20 years and it has always been like that.

    I think "great playing" on the internet means something like "not bad"or "I kind of like it" It does not have much intrinsic meaning IMHO. It's just a platitude.

    Truly great playing is done by ... well the jazz greats. Usually not by members found on fora.

    A better term is "nice playing." But I really do not wish to criticise others. Nor do I wish to give any advice.

    Wow, I am opiniated today. Please forgive me ...

    DB

  5. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by jzjazz
    I see what you mean, but I can still hear that it is a Tal on all mentioned recordings, al least I hope so (after taking your blindfold test a couple days ago I can't be sure of anything though).

    One idea is that you record your Tal pretty dry (which makes it sound fatter), I like a touch of a long hall reverb, which makes it sound thinner, but sweeter ;-)
    I'm not sure if the reverb makes all the difference. I'd expect a bit more thunk from a Tal. Maybe a more poppin' percussive tone ... I recorded this (lofi) clip with a Polytone, all eq flat. This is how I expect my Tal to sound in a live situation more or less:



    What I am aiming at with my Tal is the sound I hear on Tal's 50s recordings. Just listen to the poppin' low end. I think my Tal gets that sound quite a bit.





    DB

  6. #105

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
    I'm not sure if the reverb makes all the difference. I'd expect a bit more thunk from a Tal. Maybe a more poppin' percussive tone ... I recorded this (lofi) clip [...]

    What I am aiming at with my Tal is the sound I hear on Tal's 50s recordings. Just listen to the poppin' low end. I think my Tal gets that sound quite a bit [...]
    I agree that this Tal Farlow recording sounds completely different than mine. I don't see the similarity to your recording - in yours I hear a lot of acoustic sound of the guitar (which you won't have in a live situation) and this might imitate the short and agressive attack of the Tal Farlow recording, but it isn't even close to my ears (although some of your other recordings come closer).

    I don't know the answer but I guess the difference comes as a sum of a couple small things:
    - player and his technique, problably a much stronger attack than mine. His lines sound sometimes like played staccato, maybe because the strong attack doesn't underline the sustain of the guitar. When attacked gently, the remaining tail is more audible (just a guess)
    - string gauge, I'm pretty sure Tal wasn't playing .11
    - amp? recording technique (maybe they used a ribbon or a tube mike back then)?
    - vintage vs modern Tal?

    I'm pretty sure that Tal Farlow playing a 175 would have sounded more like a Gibson Tal Farlow, than us playing a Gibson Tal Farlow ;-)

  7. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by jzjazz
    I agree that this Tal Farlow recording sounds completely different than mine. I don't see the similarity to your recording - in yours I hear a lot of acoustic sound of the guitar (which you won't have in a live situation) and this might imitate the short and agressive attack of the Tal Farlow recording, but it isn't even close to my ears (although some of your other recordings come closer).
    I have to disagree. To my ears it's close enough to approach the Farlow sound of the 1950s. The mike on this recording was too far away to pick up much acoustic sound. I zoomed in the image tremendously later.

    Same here, pretty sure there was no acoustic sound interferes because on both cases the camcorder was yards away, aimed at the amp and the image zoomed in.



    I a/bed my Tal with a 1964 Tal Farlow and mine sounded a bit darker and mellower, but that was all. It was not a better sounding guitar IMHO.

    What I like about the Tal is the puch and thunk.

    DB

  8. #107

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    DB,

    Your Tal gets the thunk that I associate with TF records.

    Nice.
    Last edited by Greentone; 03-17-2018 at 09:32 AM.

  9. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone
    DB,

    Your Talk gets the thunk that I associate with TF records.

    Nice.
    Thanks. Wasn't it you that stated that the ES 350 was your dream guitar? Well, mine too!

    Here's a clip with that 1964 Tal Farlow. Unfortunately I had to play it through a crappy Lunchbox amp. It was in a store.


  10. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by jzjazz
    True, I've used the wrong word. I rather mean a very good player than a pro.
    Haha, I don't think so. I'm not trying to make you give me advice or teach me anything, just saying that this kind of input would be nice. Not neccesarily from You :-)
    I was more referring to my other remark about guys lining up etc.

    I do agree with you that there are many variables at stake in a sound. The guitar is just one of them. I just listened to a few clips that I recorded with an L5 Wesmo and ... it was still me ...

    DB

  11. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
    ...What I like about the Tal is the puch and thunk...

    DB
    Its also what makes it appealing to me and sold me on that guitar tone a long time ago.
    Incidentally the Bobby and Sal recording of your Tal is my favorite despite being lofi and my favorite Tal record is also that Ed Fuerst lofi recording.
    The Tal really cured my Archtop GAS, the only thing I would replace it with would be maybe an original 350 or a Vintage Tal and that is not gonna happen.

  12. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by vinlander
    Its also what makes it appealing to me and sold me on that guitar tone a long time ago. Incidentally the Bobby and Sal recording of your Tal is my favorite despite being lofi and my favorite Tal record is also that Ed Fuerst lofi recording. The Tal really cured my Archtop GAS, the only thing I would replace it with would be maybe an original 350 or a Vintage Tal and that is not gonna happen.
    Hi Vinlander,

    Yes, I know you like this particular recording. To my surprise I found a video of "Just Friends" on my Youtube page that must have been recorded around the same time. Maybe you dig this one too:

    I apologise to the OP for hijacking his thread ... And I congratulate him with his TF. My comments were not intended to spoil his NGD. The TF has been the best value for money in the entire Gibson offering for years and his will be no exception.

    DB


  13. #112

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    You pick very close to the end of the fretboard. Much different than the OP. This along with the attack would account for the tonal differences. Ultimately the sound is in the player.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
    I'm not sure if the reverb makes all the difference. I'd expect a bit more thunk from a Tal. Maybe a more poppin' percussive tone ... I recorded this (lofi) clip with a Polytone, all eq flat. This is how I expect my Tal to sound in a live situation more or less:



    What I am aiming at with my Tal is the sound I hear on Tal's 50s recordings. Just listen to the poppin' low end. I think my Tal gets that sound quite a bit.





    DB

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    Jakub, your Tal sounds really sweet, smooth, and has that "liquid" electric tone that I associate with an L-5CES (my personal favorite). The combination of you and your Tele-enabled friend is really nice indeed. Your Tal fills out the bottom while his Tele floats on top of that. Your playing sounds effortless and flowing.

    Generally speaking, I'm not a big fan of the much-vaunted thunk, and most Tal recordings I've heard to date have seemed somewhat dull to me tonally. Yours is an exception. It has the dynamic range I crave in an electric archtop sound. Your delicate touch brings that out. Congratulations on your guitar!

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    Here's another song from the same day:


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    Congrats on getting the TF. That git has the rare distinction of having great sound at an unbelievably affordable price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzjazz
    Btw. I would love someone who's determined enough to listen through the whole thing to actually write some critique.

    I'd rather hear one voice saying "intro time could be better", "too many notes on the solo", "not enough contact/connection between the two of you", than 5 saying that it's great only this way we can improve. I know not many of us like that, but I'm one of the few!

    I thought both guitars sounded great. And I think both players sounded great. My only quibble is that I like chord melody played in strict time. Just my taste but I always notice when somebody has to delay things to grab a chord -- which I heard on the Tele near the beginning of Dream. All the solos sounded great. I thought the time feel on A Train was particularly good when the Tal was comping.

    I think the Tal is the most beautiful guitar. I love the way they look.

  18. #117

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
    I thought both guitars sounded great. And I think both players sounded great. My only quibble is that I like chord melody played in strict time. Just my taste but I always notice when somebody has to delay things to grab a chord -- which I heard on the Tele near the beginning of Dream. All the solos sounded great. I thought the time feel on A Train was particularly good when the Tal was comping.

    I think the Tal is the most beautiful guitar. I love the way they look.
    Thanks! I'm not too happy with my (Tal) intro to DTD, but because of the exact opposite - I would like it to be more relaxed and laid back, more rubato

    I'm not a huge fan of the Tal design (although I like it more than the 175, but much less than the L5), but it sounds sooo gooood to my ears, that it doesn't matter, at all!

  19. #118

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    Jakub,
    Congrats with your new Tal ! Your playing was very nice and didn't wander too far from the melody - which I really enjoyed. As for the overall tone, you would certainly experience a bit more warmth / richness with an increase in string gage and perhaps a thicker pick.

    Most jazz players like flat would thunk- but I actually prefer a round wound acoustic amplified sound with some overtone and sustain - which I feel facilitates the continuity of chord melody playing and offers more expressive freedom. I find flat wound thunk better suited to single note soloing - just my experience and you may want to experiment with strings.

    The sunburst on this Tal is truly gorgeous and thanks for sharing !

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    Has anyone tried a P90 type single coil on the Tal reissue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    The price new unfortunately like the 175 has risen significantly in the last couple years which is also driving up the used market. Viceroy Brown finish which was the original color is now a $800 up charge. My 2006 was $2800 brand new and my 2014 was $4800. Well considering a new L5 is 10K I guess it is still a good deal ? Still priced equally with a 175.
    Well everything musical is very pricey now. A top of the line sax is just as expensive. Can you imagine what a hand carved acoustic bass costs these days ?
    Guys, I’m on the fence of purchasing a mint 2014 Tal for around 4K from a seller in another state.
    Has anyone played a few enough of these reissues around the same year to verify they all are high quality?
    I’ve read a few horror stories of gits coming out of the custom shop with issues, so a bit apprehensive to buy without playing. I’ve only tried L4s and L5’s and want something in the ballpark for bebop.

    woulf you guys buy without playing if a reputable seller? Says it’s from the crimson team at Gibson whatever that means

  22. #121

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neyzensia
    Guys, I’m on the fence of purchasing a mint 2014 Tal for around 4K from a seller in another state.
    Has anyone played a few enough of these reissues around the same year to verify they all are high quality?
    I’ve read a few horror stories of gits coming out of the custom shop with issues, so a bit apprehensive to buy without playing. I’ve only tried L4s and L5’s and want something in the ballpark for bebop.

    woulf you guys buy without playing if a reputable seller? Says it’s from the crimson team at Gibson whatever that means
    4K is in the higher spectrum of what they can be had second hand if you look a bit around.
    But its true the prices have increased a bit since about 3 or 4 years ago when you could still get a used Viceroy Brown for a bit under 3K in mint condition if you were patient or opportunist.
    Maybe the market realised how undervalued they are for the tone they can deliver, still the best value for money in my book!
    Of course the cosmetics are not for everyone's taste, the main reason I suspect they still lack the demand, but also because like the L4, it tends to stand between 2 flagships instruments: the 175 and the L5!
    If you read comments from most fellow members here that have or had a Tal Reissue most are either praising it (I do) or regretting selling it, not gonna happen to me
    Not that they are all perfect, my '96 originally came with a badly cut nut from Custom Shop... but generally speaking, they have a reputation of being quite consistent over the years.
    They are great versatile archtop that can give you a convincing traditional bebop tone and you can also dial a more Methenesque modern tone particularly when using the bridge pickup too.
    Even if lately I tend to play more my '59 125, I will never part with my Tal Farlow, its a stunning instrument and plays like butter.

  23. #122

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    I’ve only played two by chance at GC. The first was great all around-I probably should have bought it! The second sounded good, but boy was it heavy—I’m talking heavy Les Paul heavy—a deal breaker for me. Quality was good on both. But I’d check the weight!

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    I have owned 3 Tal’s. One the famed Boo-boo now owned by Joe D. I would off my L5’s before my Tal. Love it !
    Since they are no longer being made the prices are going thru the roof. Getting pretty hard to get one.

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    Seems to me that the TFS should appreciate now. The original series are pretty expensive. But the reissue guitars are great 17" Gibson laminate jazz archtops, built when Gibson was doing good work.

    They are ideal jazz boxes.

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    Guys, what strings is everyone playing on their Tals? I was going to go with chrome flat 11’s or 12’s for jazz, but now am considering going with rounds as they seem pretty versatile for other styles. Tough call, as flats get that darker Wes sound, but seem to limit a bit stylistically

    my teacher rich Severson uses D’Addario chrome 11 flats and puts a 13 & 15 on top:


    Any suggestions? I’ve never tried 1/2 flats either...

  27. #126

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    I stick to flats on my Archtops, its the tone I like and they last a year minimum, I am just a living room player nowadays though...
    Thomastik Infeld JS112 flats is my go to strings on the Tal and 125, I get them from Germany as they are cheaper than in Canada or USA even with shipping.
    If going for d'Addarios, I would use Chrome 11 and swap 1st and 2nd for a 12 and 16.

  28. #127

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinlander
    I stick to flats on my Archtops, its the tone I like and they last a year minimum, I am just a living room player nowadays though...
    Thomastik Infeld JS112 flats is my go to strings on the Tal and 125, I get them from Germany as they are cheaper than in Canada or USA even with shipping.
    If going for d'Addarios, I would use Chrome 11 and swap 1st and 2nd for a 12 and 16.
    Ok thanks a million Vin! When using the Thomastik Infeld JS112 flats, can you still play a funk/jazz gig and play cleaner James brown type rthyms? I want it for Wes style bebop primarily, but do play a variety of other styles.
    Id assume in demos like these they have rounds to get that punchier sound



    thx guys!!

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    Similarily to Vinnyv1k, I have owned three TF's ,IMO too they
    are great instruments, my current 2013 purchased new is a
    keeper, a Crimson Custom shop model, and plays as well
    as an L5CES. it offers better comfort with its body depth of only
    3". The Classic '57 pickups are ideally suited to it. As has already
    been said they will increase in value on the used market especially
    now they are no longer made. It would make more sense to sell an
    L5 0r Wesmo currently , and only then if driven to it.
    Oh and btw, the strings found best suited to it are TI;s flats JS112

  30. #129

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfoxx
    Similarly to Vinnyv1k, I have owned three TF's ,IMO too they
    are great instruments, my current 2013 purchased new is a
    keeper, a Crimson Custom shop model, and plays as well
    as an L5CES. it offers better comfort with its body depth of only
    3". The Classic '57 pickups are ideally suited to it. As has already
    been said they will increase in value on the used market especially
    now they are no longer made. It would make more sense to sell an
    L5 0r Wesmo currently , and only then if driven to it.
    Oh and btw, the strings found best suited to it are TI;s flats JS112
    ok thx so much for confirming, I’m ordering a mint 2014 sunburst Tal tomorrow
    ill post some pics when she arrives.

    Vin suggested the JS112’s, so I’ll have them setup with those for sure.
    -anyone get a higher end case for theirs by chance?
    -I’m in San Diego, I wonder if I should use a humidifier in the F hole?

  31. #130

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Grass
    I'm definitely smitten by this TF. Is that a walnut finish? It looks like it has a little red in it. Wow!

    The styling of the TF is the sort of stuff the Gibson employees would create if the "suits" weren't in charge. The fretboard inlays, the scrolled binding and the pointy PG are Kalamazoo gaudy (which is the greatest compliment one can bestow an embellished tool of any kind).

    The deep cutaway and neck and body dimensions were well thought out.

    What I don't understand is how Gibson held back on the ebony fretboard and gold. That is uncharacteristic restraint. My guess is that Tal wanted rosewood and nickel. That's class.

    I played a 175 for years. I just didn't know any better!
    I'm new to many of the Gibson jazz boxes including the Tal. They are beautiful, to state the obvious. Thanks for the new GAS ha ha.

    Some of the later Kalamazoo builders on Parsons St liked the pointy pickguards too.

  32. #131

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    Alrighty guys, the 2014 Tal Farlow I ordered arrived and it’s stellar! Amazing flawless workmanship and sounds spectacular! As folks have mentioned, as Guitar good or better a guitar as an L5 or 175, but can be found for a grand or more less, due to folks not knowing about their awesomeness

    -I’m in San Diego and am researching if I need to humidify, do yuh guys think I should use an oasis in its case all year? Can I over humidify it? What’s the safest way to go without a controlled room?

    Thanks again for the input! This git is so beautiful, I’m almost afraid to play the shit out of it hah.
    I seriously will consider buying a 2nd if a deal pops up ever...

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  33. #132

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    Its a beauty, congratulations!
    It reminds me Booboo
    Welcome to the Tal owners club, play it in good health

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    Just arrived yesterday, in mint condition, COA and all case candy!

    Compared to my ES175, very powerful and vibrant. Great tone, love 'em both!!

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  35. #134

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    Boatheelmusic,
    You did real good there. The neck on the Tal is to die huh? The color and the design make it the absolute nicest electric Jazz guitar available, in my opinion.
    It will inspire you over the next couple of months and help you elevate your chops to a whole new level. It did for me.
    Enjoy, Joe D.

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    Thanks, CK and Joe - as happened to someone else here, my wife thought it is the most beautiful guitar she's seen, which of course helped with the funding!!

    The seller told me it played better than he did, as is certainly the case with me.

    Best,

    Bill

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    Congrats Bill,

    May she inspire your playing for many years to come. A Tele, a Tal and a 175? I would say you have the electric guitar thing covered!

  38. #137

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    Congrats Bill,

    May she inspire your playing for many years to come. A Tele, a Tal and a 175? I would say you have the electric guitar thing covered!
    With the help and advice of all here, hard to make mistakes in guitar choices!!

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    Bill,
    Beautiful Tal and tremendous value . Wishing you many years of enjoyment .

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    Congratulations, what a beautiful guitar. I was actually seriously looking for a Tal, but Hurricane Michael has seriously redirected my financial focus. Ah well, I will appreciate it more when I finally get there. Enjoy!

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    Tals are fabulous instruments, they truly have a tone of their own, it completely cured my Archtop GAS when I got mine.
    Could easily be my one and only Archtop if we exclude the "vintage" itch which got cured by my 125...
    Play it in good health and welcome to the happy Tal owners club !

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    That Tal is a great guitar looks fantastic. We always want to buy a guitar that will at least give sound and value down through the passage of time. This Tal is THE choice they won't get cheaper or any nicer! Now we need sound clip and maybe play a Tal classic tune he did like............like Isn't Romantic...............Do not worry if you are not Tal because no else on the forum is either.

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    Hello! Glad I stumbled onto this page. I realize I may get a look of disdain for this but I want to replace the pickups in my Tal with TV Jones. Is this possible? Mine is the cherry red one like in the photos above. Thank you all

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    Hey, A cat named Bosco:

    Welcome. Your modification of the TF should be doable. TV Jones pickups are quite nice. Let us know how it works out.

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    This beauty arrived Tuesday morning (Feb 19), a very cold day in KC, and the box was ice cold, so I had to wait about 20 hours until this morning to open it. These pictures are from CME, where I bought it; they are much better than any I can take:

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    What can I say--I love red guitars. Maybe it's because my wife is a redhead.

    Anyway, my first impression when I was FINALLY able to un-box it, tune it up, and play was....

    I'M SENDING IT BACK.

    Why?

    Because I am not one-tenth the player to be playing this fine instrument.

    It came with 11s (Chromes), and set up perfectly for them. The pictures show a different set (with silk). I can't find any fret wear or any evidence that the guitar was played much. The case is a little dusty, but scuff-free, like maybe it sat under a bed somewhere. All the nickel is tarnished as would be expected for a 16-year old guitar, but the finish is flawless.

    I have 3 days to send it back, so I spent a couple of hours checking everything--pickups, switch, truss rod--everything seems fine except the nut is cut for lighter strings, and the D is definitely hanging up (pinging). I find that odd; the nut slots are too narrow for 11s? Maybe someone here can explain? I though maybe the string gauges were mixed up, but I measured all of them with calipers, and they were correct. The nut does look a little fresh for 2003, but if it was changed out, it was done professionally, except for the slots.

    The tone is great--played it through a JC-120, a Vox AC15, a Mesa Boogie Mark IV, and finally, for the best tone, a Boss Katana Head and 2x12 cab. The 11s feel like 12s, but I think that is because of the scale length (25.5"). I intended to go with 13s, but I think that I will try La Bella Jazz Flats 12s first. Actually, the 11s sound great, but feel a little too slinky.

    Of course I'm keeping it.

  46. #145

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    Congratulations! The Tal gets a lot of love around here!

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    Beautiful. Just a superficial thing, but the pickguard color looks great against the red body.

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    I endorse the idea of keeping the Tal and improving your playing to become a deserving Tal player.

    Lovely guitar. Hang on!

  49. #148

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    Welcome to the Tal appreciation club

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    So on the topic of Tals, why are these guitars not more popular? I prefer them over the 175 (although of course they are wonderful of it’s a good one), it’s going to feel safer bringing a Tal over an L5 to certain gigs where a carved guitar might potentially have issues - I’ve wondered why there are so few players looking out there compared to the L5 and 175. I would think considering how good it is that it should be equally as popular as those two models.


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    I play a 175, and the only reason I haven't purchased a tal is the scale length. isn't that like the same as a telecaster? That's a huge difference