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    Has anybody played the new Chinese version of the GB10 that came out at NAMM 2016? They are already being sold. I wonder what the difference is between them and the Japanese ones.


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    Hi TBone48,

    I haven't tried one. But I did a search in the internet and found that MIC GB10se is fitted with the Chinese made pickup while GB10 is still using the Japanese made pickup, although both guitars have a similar spec description shown on the ibanez website.

    FYI.

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    i heard it's got the spliced neck also but haven't been able to confirm

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    Other than being visually unattractive, sometimes to the extreme, is there something wrong with a spliced neck?

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    I am just wondering now what the Japanese one has one the other. It has to have something much better because it cost almost 3 times more.

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    Is he playing the new GB10SE or the original GB10 in the 2016 NAMM video? he sure plays great. he is a fantastic guitarist. One of the last legendary jazz guitar players alive of the 20th century. He is talking about his Fender Amp, great sound with that guitar. I am sold!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbone48
    Is he playing the new GB10SE or the original GB10 in the 2016 NAMM video?
    It is the original. The GB10SE doesn't have his name on the truss rod cover. I have a preorder in for the SE and hope to see it in early May.

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    Big Brown dropped it off yesterday, some quick pics from my phone. I am totally happy with every aspect of the guitar, right out of the box the action is low like I like it, no fret buzz anywhere, it's a little brighter than my other jazz boxes but I like that. All together a great sounding and playing guitar IMO, your mileage may vary. No more GB10 GAS.
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    Wow, it looks real nice.
    l'll bet it plays well and sounds great too. I hope they sell 1,000's of these. The living legend deserves to go out with a nice chunk of change in his pocket. I'm a big fan of GB.
    Thanks for the pics and I wish you years of joy with your new guitar. Congrats!!!

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    Ibanez has been making good guitars for years...I would not hesitate to buy another, even the cheap models are good guitars....in my opinion.....your getting a good bang for the buck.......

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    Yes, she looks really nice. And to echo Joe's comments, GB deserves every little financial consideration from Ibanez and royalties of his records. He's earned them. Heck I'm 69 and I couldn't tour and play and sing like Mr. B does. Kudos to his perseverance.

    And nothing starts a crazy weekend off like a new GB 10 !!!
    Congrats...

    Big

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    I'm now getting bewildered by all the archtops Ibanez is offering around this price point: AF155, SS/SJ300, LGB30, GB10SE, PM2.

    Can anyone define how these differ, not in terms of the specifications and cosmetics, but in terms of playability and tone.

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    It's odd that this is a signature model but doesn't have Georges' name on the nut cover or the fretboard inlay. Wonder if they'll be offering the natural. Great price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archtop Guy
    It's odd that this is a signature model but doesn't have Georges' name on the nut cover or the fretboard inlay. Wonder if they'll be offering the natural. Great price!
    The burst is a little too "halloweenburst" for my taste. JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielleOM
    Other than being visually unattractive, sometimes to the extreme, is there something wrong with a spliced neck?
    No. There's wrong with it at all. That construction technique has been around for at least 40 years for guitar necks.

    Because it is a economical construction method used primarily in low to mid priced, mass produced guitars, it carries a stigma of being 'inferior' to a one-piece neck. But it's just a stigma.

    Some people believe or speculate that the splice detracts from the tonal qualities of the neck. There's no proof of that; it's just lore and speculation. And for those convinced that is inferior, but rave about the fantastic tone of their $2K Tele or Strat, may I direct their attention to perhaps the most crude example of spliced neck : the bolted neck on Fender guitars. Four wood screws and metal plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newsense
    I'm now getting bewildered by all the archtops Ibanez is offering around this price point: AF155, SS/SJ300, LGB30, GB10SE, PM2.

    Can anyone define how these differ, not in terms of the specifications and cosmetics, but in terms of playability and tone.
    I have 3 out of the 6 mentioned guitars, the AF155, LGB30 and GB10SE as stated earlier in the thread. They are all different to my ears, AF155 has a fuller brighter tone as compared to the LGB30 that sounds darker to me with a little more bite but not as much volume. Even though it's smaller the GB10SE sounds almost as full as the AF155, with more clarity, the notes seem to pop out more, bright but still warm (the only way I can explain it) the best out of the 3 by far. They all play exceptionally well and the quality of the instruments is top notch, exceeding that (quality control wise) of my Gibson Memphis Custom Shop 359 that cost 3 times as much. I hope this helps somewhat.
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    This may sound like blasphemy, but I have now had the chance to play both the Japanese GB10 in almost brand-new condition, and the Chinese GB10SE right out of the box. I have to say that I honestly like the SE better. They are very, very close. The neck on the SE feels better to me and the amplified sound is outstanding. The GB10 has better cosmetics on the headstock, but that is the only thing that I would say is definitely better about it.

    It is also worth noting that the SE required no special setup or tweaking. Out of the box I tuned it up and it was just about perfect. I normally like much larger archtops, but this thing is a keeper!

    Don't get me wrong, the GB10 is every bit as good as the SE in almost every way, but I could never justify the price difference. Again - very, very close.

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    Same for mine, (it was tuned down a half step) right out of box ready to go gig.

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    The GB 10se looks like a great buy. I wonder, are you guys still getting on with yours OK?

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    No regrets at all, it's a great guitar and I love everything about mine, excellent jazz guitar at any price.

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    I like it. Came setup with D'Addarios flat 11s. The relief, height and frets seem perfect. Just had to bump the high E side of the bridge a mm to intonate it. Came with the neck strap button in the case. Having a bit of anxiety about where to attach it.

    Pickups are floaters. The neck pickup is attached to the neck by one of those screwed on harnesses into a nice little routing. The bridge pup is attached to the pick guard and there is a little screw with a spring attached the top to adjust the pick guard height near the bridge. There is also a clever screw assembly that looks like it adjusts the angle of the guard relative to the neck. The individual pole pieces appear to have been adjusted at the factory. Very balanced sound.

    Selector switch is wired so that when in the middle position if either volume is all the way off there is no output at all. Wonder if the pups are wired series?

    Got a Washburn J600 a year ago as a relatively inexpensive way to see if l'd like an Archtop. I do. This forum opened my eyes and ears to just how varied and deep the field is. The Ibanez is very different, 14.5" vs 17, 24.75 vs 25.5 and a narrower nut. The Wasburn needed a fret level and better electronics. The Ibanez is take it out of the case and play. Twice the money but 10 times the guitar, really.
    I'm falling in love.

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    Congratulations, IMO the GB10SE is one of the coolest Jazz boxes on the market right now.

    I really respect Ibanez for their quality/cost ratio, and commitment to the archtop sector of the guitar market.

    Enjoy the guitar !.

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    That is really a Very Nice Guitar.
    As I've said in the past, I hope they sell millions of these so George can retire with some extra security.
    I wonder how they stack up against the Japanese made model?
    I am all in favor of this concept. To me, it is not only OK to capitalize on your own design, but making your design available to a broader range of people who can afford these gems is admirable.

    I love it. And I would seriously consider getting one for myself. I like LGB too..

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    Have to adjust my right hand picking style. I tend to pick close to the neck and on this guitar I keep hitting the neck pickup and hearing the resulting click. Just a matter of moving bridgeward an inch or two.

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    Nice guitar, just like a 100 but a smidgeon of the price, pic of mine to show how I mount the button at the heel.

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    And one of the belly.

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    Thank you for the button pic. Gorgeous wood and binding on that guitar!

    The two thumbwheels on the tailpiece, are they some kind of tension adjuster?
    Last edited by TedBPhx; 05-27-2016 at 09:12 AM.

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    Yes Ted they are, when you screw them clockwise they push the tailpiece down towards the body creating more tension in the strings or so Ibanez say. You would have to be really anal to notice any difference. Cheers.

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    i got a gb10 after decades of more expensive archtops

    its better than almost all of them

    its got a lovely softness to it - softness to the feel (what a neck and great 24.75 low tension) - and to the sound, because its so thick and warm

    (thick plus warm equals soft - to those of you who don't know your maths)

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    The bridge pickup had more gain than I care for so following advice from an old forum GB10 thread I turned the height adjustment maybe a 1/4 turn and dialed in a very sweet sound when blended with the neck. I am amazed at how many tones I can get out this guitar. The neck by itself is more traditional jazz sound than I'll ever be able to play. The two together open the spectrum up to smooth and, if I bring up the amp gain, becomes a wonderful rock and blues machine.

    The 17x3.5 Washburn with my hack job mounted Benedetto S6 has a rich woody sound that I haven't found on the GB10SE. But the Ibanez gets much louder without feedback or resorting to taping the holes. The neck is a dream. Polished ebony fret board, I didn't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibbyjazz
    Big Brown dropped it off yesterday, some quick pics from my phone. I am totally happy with every aspect of the guitar, right out of the box the action is low like I like it, no fret buzz anywhere, it's a little brighter than my other jazz boxes but I like that. All together a great sounding and playing guitar IMO, your mileage may vary. No more GB10 GAS.
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    I am close to getting one of these myself; I also have a Mini 101, how does the GB get along with that amp? What tone setting on the Mini do you use? I use the Jazz setting, not because of playing jazz, but because it's the most neutral and balanced to my ears.

    I think Ibanez offers incredible value for money with their hollow and semi-hollow guitars, but the more affordable ones (not high-end signature models) always seem to have a bright "sheen" to the sound. Does the GB10SE have this also? I ask because of your "brighter" comment. Thanks!

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    Was slumming the GB10 listings on eBay today. There are some very decent vintage examples for sale at real reasonable prices - also a lovely practically new GB100 for $2600.00. Look around...

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    I picked up an old GB10nt and a GB100 in May, both great guitars and amazing prices. I mention the GB100 as a PSA because, as the ad states, it's almost completely new. I would say comparing the 10 to the 100 that the 100 with its fuller depth body is a tad warmer sounding. I'd tumble for the blonde GB12 that Mr B. gave Prince if I could get my hands on it. I expect that will end up in a museum though. Like you I'm pretty sated at the moment.

    the GB100s are stunnng and worth checking out.

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    Hi everyone!
    I've got à deal on a 81 GB10, 1400€, but it's pretty beat up.. and I'm not sure I want to start the restoration thing once more (as for my 81'AS200 that needed refret and electronics restoration).

    I'm quite interested with this Chineese version, but I wonder how it compares with the original, now that some must have had the time to play both?

    And I'm till incertain beetween this GB10se, the LGB30, and the Épi 175 premium

    I'm after caracterful sound, not too bright, and a feeling that brings à soulful and bluesy dimension to my jazzy licks ...
    I've played certain Ibanez Hollow bodies that where
    too perfect sounding, kind of stérile in a way..

    I might be better with a mounted pickup than a floating one?

    I feel floating pickups are better suited for fingerstyle and traditionnal jazz playing, I would dare say academic :-)
    I do not play academic straight technical jazz.. more of a very jazz oriented blues, I suppose in the Villanova Junction Hendrix in the Woodstock performance, or maybe SRV's "Lenny"..
    But I don't need a Fender!

    Maybe the Epi Es175 is the smokiest of the brunch?
    The LGB30 really seems to be a soulful guitar?
    The GB10se a great bargain Benson style guitar...

    Can you give me advice (I'm french, pardon my funky english@)

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    There was(or is) a french guitarist by the name of Sacha Distal. I hope I spelled that correctly. He had a sunburst Benson with a CC pickup. Awesome guitar! It would give you another sound.

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    His name was Sacha Distel, and he passed out a few years ago. He was a great jazzman but was better known as a pop crooner in France..
    A Benson guitar with a Charlie Christian pickup? Is that right? Must be kind of hard to find I reckon?
    I love the sound and looks of old Gibson Archtops with CC pickups.
    A guy in France is selling a 81 Es175 Ltd edition (3 or 400 of them have been made) with a single CC pickup.. it's just beautiful, but 4100€..

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    I would classify my GB10SE as sounding on the brighter side of the spectrum. But with EQ I can make it sound darker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jx30510
    His name was Sacha Distel, and he passed out a few years ago. He was a great jazzman but was better known as a pop crooner in France..
    A Benson guitar with a Charlie Christian pickup? Is that right? Must be kind of hard to find I reckon?
    I love the sound and looks of old Gibson Archtops with CC pickups.
    A guy in France is selling a 81 Es175 Ltd edition (3 or 400 of them have been made) with a single CC pickup.. it's just beautiful, but 4100€..
    Not having a turntable my albums have been in storage. But, for this I went digging.I found him the second to the last album. If I had only started from the other end,,, I remember I liked his "Night in Tunisia" the best. Sorry to hear that he's passed. I always wanted to find out if Ibanez made that for him,or if it was a European issue only. Nice guitar!
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    Ted, (I presume)

    Recently picked up a pre owned gb10. Needed fretwork. Got it back and the intonation was off.

    Found a post where you mentioned using a tune omatic bridge on your gb10se.

    What part was that and did it fit right onto the stock bridge posts? The tech suggested a tune omatic.

    Thanks.

    Daron

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    Never did get a TOM. The wood one that came with is cut perfect. There are a few GB10 experts here that can recommend a TOM that might fit.

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    I would be very grateful if someone could tell me what TOM bridge could fit on the Gb10 se?
    Maybe a Gotoh I presume?

    Has anyone compared with the Gb10 se with the Japanese one?

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    Gotoh tunomatic will fit fine I believe.


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    I received the Gb10se today
    I'm not that overwhelmed
    I find the hardware to be quite cheap feeling, the volume knobs go from 0 to 10 with very little progression.

    I had to fix the pickguard with superglue, the little mounting plastic thing was loose.. On of the grips on a knob is moving..
    The tailpiece is in cheapo metal, the bridge pickup is very very weak in volume (and close to the strings so no solution here)
    The ebony fretboard is dry and does not have that oily aspect.. Doesn't look of very good quality
    Playability is very good, but the fretboard feels somewhat "light" and plasticky.. Hard to describe

    I'm a 100% sure, obviously, that the Japanese model fixes every bit of what I don't like on the Gb10 se..
    So it's going back tomorrow..
    This one, by the way, is from March 2019, and built in Indonesia
    Weren't the first ones built in China?
    And maybe better?
    Don't, it's not a "bad" guitar, but absolutely very much sub-par from what I 'm used to from my Japanese AS50

    Well, you get what you pay for. Ibanez are honest in a way, a 1150€ guitar cannot reach a 2500€ one, which is not always true with the big names in the guitar world

    I' ll be picking a used Japanese Gb10 in a very near future because I love the feeling of this particular model

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    Mine was made in China and is from the first batch of the current SE incarnations to reach the U.S. Sorry to hear yours is of such poor quality. Mine is not. Returnable?

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    Yes I can
    I do not say it is bad, it is a pretty good guitar, but I suspect it will not age very well
    The hardware and electronics seem not to be very durable, and the guitar has a very strong smell of fresh glue..

    I'm not very confident to be honest, it feels somewhat not like a high end instrument, which is logic regarding the price.

    The playability on the other hand is very very good


    I have a deal on 2009 Gb10 at 1650€, and I think that the 500€ gap is very much worth just returning this one and getting "the real thing" once and for all

    I was telling myself today, I would have had this Gb10se 20 years ago I would have been totally crazy about it.. But, I'm a more experienced player now, I have more financial ease, and I know what a very good instrument is.. And life is short, I just want the high end one..
    And the return policy the store I purchased it from made me buy it knowing that I could send it back just in case.

    But in all honesty, I feel that this more economical model is cheaper for a good reason.. It does feel a little cheap undeniably

    Maybe the Chinese ones are better, I suspect

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    I agree with the previous poster about quality. I got an Indo SE in the post and there was a metallic twang on F# and related notes. The instrument had had clearly zero QA Inspection. Anyone playing it for more than a few moments would spot the issues. The setup was also not great. The neck had a lot of relief and a low medium action, making fretting hard work around the 8th. I spent a while trying to trace the source of the twang, and suspect something in the wiring was vibrating on the body. My luthier couldn't find the problem either. In the end, I chose to send the SE back rather than pulling it apart on the first day. Oh, and the frets are poorly finished: vibrato gives a rough rubbing noise!

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    Exactly my experience
    I'm pretty sure that the Chinese 1rst run weren't in the same league, much better I think
    The Indonesian build relocation should have been with a price drop or new name or something
    In my opinion the guitar is not worth the 1200€ asked
    I'm getting a 2009 Mij Gb10 tomorrow by the way.. 6 hour road trip to get it, but I hope it'll be worth it

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    I bought the 2009 Gb10 yesterday
    It's in mint condition, natural color, and plays fantastic, I mean... Wow!!
    What an astonishing guitar, I'm blown away
    Just for others here who compare it with the Gb10se..
    The Indonesian Se is NOT the same guitar
    I remember very well each detail of the Gb10se since I had it a few days ago and inspected in every corner possible..
    Nothing is comparable (hardware, woods, pickups, set up, finish, neck profile..) to the MIJ
    The Gb10 Se looks like a Mij, but that's it
    Guys, just find a used GB10 for 600 bucks more.... Just DO It!!