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04-19-2014, 11:36 AM #1Dutchbopper Guest
New Blog entry.
Dutchbopper's Jazz Guitar Blog: 1959 Gibson ES 175 VOS versus 1982 ES 175
Have fun.
Regards,
DB
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04-19-2014 11:36 AM
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I'm still haunted by the VOS I played several months ago at Dave's Guitar Shop. It was identical to the one you tried. And, it's still there. <sigh>
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I think the VOS 175 is a great guitar. Like Dutchbopper, I have compared one to my original vintage 175's and the VOS was very close to the original.
Keith
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And also very close in price as well!
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Laminates, meh.
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04-19-2014, 01:22 PM #6Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by Broyale
DB
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
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04-19-2014, 01:46 PM #8Dutchbopper Guest
Because I can't take a reply like that seriously.
DB
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I don't take plywood guitars seriously, which is why I asked.
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04-19-2014, 02:14 PM #10Dutchbopper Guest
Well, one thing is for sure. I will never take you seriously again. Your ignorance is stunning.
Ciao.
DB
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Originally Posted by Broyale
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Originally Posted by Broyale
Sigh...This place just gets worse and worse....
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Originally Posted by Broyale
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Originally Posted by jzucker
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Originally Posted by Broyale
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04-19-2014, 03:40 PM #16Dutchbopper Guest
I never participate in discussions here for this exact reason. But your replies are so outrageous that I will make an exception. I was so stunned by your latest reply that I went through some of your earlier replies in other threads to get some grip of where they came from. And then I found out you started playing guitar 4 years ago when you were 30. Mmmmm .... in real life opinions (content) is often valued within context. Well, we have that now.
No disrespect meant but ... is there a slight, remote chance that you may be just a tad ... little bit ... inexperienced?
DB
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
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04-19-2014, 04:03 PM #18Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by jzucker
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
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04-19-2014, 04:16 PM #20Dutchbopper Guest
Read this for starters. It is not written from a buider's view and won't give you all the answers but it's a start:
Dutchbopper's Jazz Guitar Blog: carved versus laminate archtops
DB
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Again?
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
Laminates have their place, I cannot debate that fact, BUT, I still wonder how people can place the 175 (from any year) on a pedestal when clearly Ibanez has the laminate thing down cold. I mean, for chrissakes, is there any legit reason for the gimped pickup placement on the 175? That was my initial turn-off to the 175. Ibanez puts 'em under the fingerboard, even on their lowest of the low end models. And yeah, I know Ibanez makes 'em in China.
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Originally Posted by Broyale
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04-19-2014, 06:01 PM #24Dutchbopper Guest
High quality laminate guitars (I do not call them plywood) are built by the best of builders. Ibanez' top archtops are all laminates. Holst, Sadowsky, Heritage, Benedetto etc. .. they all build laminate guitars. Even more expensive ones than the 175.
For me, it's not about construction, feedback resistance or price only. All my favourite archtop sounds were simply made on laminate guitars. The list of world class players preferring laminate guitars is endless (Charlie Christian, Tal Farlow, Joe Pass, Jim Hall, Herb Ellis, Barney Kessel, George Benson, Pat Martino, Jimmy Raney, Doug Raney, Pat Metheny, Jonathan Kreisberg, Martijn van Iterson, Jesse van Ruller). I have owned two carved top guitars and traded them in because I actually prefer the sound of laminates.
I have played carved tops that I think sounded really horrible. Tinny, plinky and trebly. Some of them were useless in a practical sense even (feedback monsters). I do not need a guitar that sounds great on the couch only. There is no way a laminate guitar is inferior to a carved one only because it is ... laminate. Many people actually prefer the way they sound.
DBLast edited by Dutchbopper; 04-19-2014 at 06:30 PM.
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Your inexperience gives you the same clarity of an inexperienced doctor. Sure, you can render an opinion, but it's worth about the same. Actually, if you aren't regularly gigging jazz dates, you're more like a medical student.
Grant Green, What is This Thing
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