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    Time to get your Pat Martino on?

    I thought it had a 25 1/2" scale. Oh well, not that interesting -- you think they could have put on some more interesting humbuckers...


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    (*) Or get your Carlos on...


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    Was there a demand for this? I mean this has GOT to be the answer to a question nobody asked...

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    heh my friend has an l6 S that he stripped the paint off and hot rodded up a bit. Thin strings, low action, coil tapped...great rocker...

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    Had one for about a year back in the 70's - never bonded with it.

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    Having sold my Les Paul a couple of years ago due to its weight, I don't think the solid maple L6 is going to replace my 335.

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    I have a student with one of these (an original).

    He prefers (as do I) his $200 Ibanez Superstrat.

    Just sayin.'

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    I also had one back in the 70s . The only good thing about it were the pickups , designed by Bill Lawrence . Other than that , like Tom Karol said , " could never bond with it " . Cracks me up that you can buy an original on E-Bay for a fraction of what these new ones cost . I heard their over two grand . To each his own .

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    I had a friend who bought one in the 90s, I tried it. It wasn't nothing to write home about, he had it about a month. He had a hard time getting rid of it, he took a loss on it. Traded it for accoustic guitar I think.

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    I had an L5-S back in the late '70s. Cherry sunburst. Really pretty. Heaviest d*mn guitar I ever owned. Didn't keep it long.

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    I played an L6s for while in the late 70's. Worst case of neck dive ever!

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    Just to add to the confusion, here's my Warmoth version of an L5S:


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    I like maple fretboards. That's pretty much the end of the nice things I have to say about that guitar.

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    Now.. if they had taken a les paul.. tobacco sunburst.. one HB in the neck.. es175 parallelogram inlay on the FB.. maybe they would have something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamBooka View Post
    Now.. if they had taken a les paul.. tobacco sunburst.. one HB in the neck.. es175 parallelogram inlay on the FB.. maybe they would have something.
    Nice idea! They've done a Les Paul version of the ES-295, so this doesn't seem too far fetched. Make it a single CC in the neck position and I'd be interested.

    Maybe the L6S is not a coincidence at the moment: Those wood raids probably left them with a lot of maple to spare.

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    Too funny. I also had an L6-S back around 1982. For about year.

    My first electric. Didn't last. Sold it and bought a 1957 ES-225. Which I still have...

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    So why is it that you guys don't like this guitar? My friend is into his, though he's much more of a hobbyist.

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    It was my first solidbody. And I was staunch Gibson guy at the time. It had some really good sounds, but it just didn't feel right. I was never comfortable playing it. I thought I just wasn't a solidbody kind of guy. Then 20 years later, I got my second solidbody - an ash 'Tele' with a maple fingerboard (Hamer T-51). It's been my main axe for the past 20 years since then. Go figure!

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    I thought it would be sorta halfway between a Strat and a Les Paul--in terms of both tones and weight.

    I thought it would land right in the middle, best of both worlds.

    Instead, it kinda fell right through the gap and kept going. Splat.

    I remember it as just kind of cold and brittle and thin. None of the gravitas or ballsiness of a good Les Paul, and not much of the chimey twang and cut I love in a Strat or Tele.

    I'd played only flat-top acoustics with ebony or rosewood fingerboards before I got the L6-S. I couldn't get comfortable with the maple neck. Too slippery, too hard for me, at least back then.
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    Without the Bill Lawrence designed pickups, I doubt this guitar will sound like the original.

    Neck dive aside, it had a great selection of tones, and fantastic sustain.

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    I liked the one I played for metal...really fast neck, good tone through the right amp...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Karol View Post
    Had one for about a year back in the 70's - never bonded with it.

    same here, had the black one with ebony fretboard..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    Here are some of the earlier, original, versions, with a L-5 (ish?) neck and tailpiece.

    i dig those especially that natural! i wish they would remake 'em, this time chambered, so not so heavy.

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    I need some help finding an expert.

    I have been using my nephew’s solid body for the last several months because it was collecting dust on the floor of my in-law’s (his grandparents) home, unprotected and gathering dust. It is rough but the first time I picked it up it felt “right” and very instinctive. It had an unusually wide lower bout and the contours were like nothing I’ve ever seen from Gibson. So I suspected it was a fake from the beginning, and a guy who has quite a collection said he’s never seen anything like it before from Gibson, so I ended up peeling off the vinyl logo (already peeling off, and another HUGE reason I have had doubts) and taking it home, with his permission.

    So the other day I was reading an article and I saw THIS GUITAR, except the photo had a stoptail and rotary switch. It was a Bill Lawrence designed Gibson L6-S. But a little digging helped me see there are three different models, including the Deluxe with the same string-through body plate on this. A little reading and this guitar was designed to have a wide tonal range, and used custom pickups, also designed by Bill Lawrence.

    Bill Lawrence Website

    1976 Gibson L-6S Deluxe

    It has a “MADE IN U.S.A.” stamp on the back of the headstock, and the volute is correct. The serial number is 656895, it it is somewhat faint.

    Obviously the pickups, bridge, and from the photos I’ve seen the tuners are all changed out. So either someone got an Ibanez copy and did a horrible job at modding it, or they a total idiot and ruined a very unique instrument to get close to a Les Paul clone. I am still wanting to buy it off my nephew and fix it up, or restore it for him if he won’t sell it (he’s undecided), but I don’t know if it’s authentic or not. And if not, how do I tell an Ibanez from some other manufacturer?



    FULL ALBUM: Real or Fake Gibson L6-S Deluxe? - Album on Imgur
    Attached Images Attached Images The Gibson L6-S-dc8e0efc-60d7-4c60-92ae-d69731ea0350-jpg The Gibson L6-S-86d1f9dc-c4c2-4de5-9919-e7320e67a13d-jpg 
    Last edited by zcostilla; 05-19-2019 at 04:56 PM. Reason: Include pictures and not just link to album

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    Looks like an L6S

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    Looks like an L6-S....how exactly was it “ruined”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by customxke View Post
    Looks like an L6-S....how exactly was it “ruined”?
    By removing the very rare and unique Bill Lawrence super-Humbuckers and tone shaping circuitry. Plus the harmonica bridge and Kluson tuners are gone, and there’s an extra hole in the top. While it isn’t in cherry condition, it certainly isn’t collectible in the state it is in. If I can’t score replacement pickups, I’ll probably change in Duncan P-Rails, use push-pull knobs for the coil splits, and use the hole for a DPDT switch to give different tone caps or fill it in. That way while it won’t be original, it will at least be versatile and keep the spirit of what Bill Lawrence was shooting for when he designed it.

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    It looks right to me. The tuners are probably original. They are the same type as those on the L6-S Custom, and on many examples of the Deluxe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zcostilla View Post
    By removing the very rare and unique Bill Lawrence super-Humbuckers and tone shaping circuitry. Plus the harmonica bridge and Kluson tuners are gone, and there’s an extra hole in the top. While it isn’t in cherry condition, it certainly isn’t collectible in the state it is in. If I can’t score replacement pickups, I’ll probably change in Duncan P-Rails, use push-pull knobs for the coil splits, and use the hole for a DPDT switch to give different tone caps or fill it in. That way while it won’t be original, it will at least be versatile and keep the spirit of what Bill Lawrence was shooting for when he designed it.
    The L6s Deluxe didn't have the 6 way switch. So that aspect of it is not modified. My guess is that the hole was drilled by a
    previous owner for a coil splitter or phase switch. The Schallers could be original. I don't see Kluson holes in the pics and Schallers were stock on lots of Gibsons ca. 77-80 These guitars were pretty common late 70s/early 80s, and I tried them many times. I never heard of them being cloned, and doubt this is a copy. The details that usually give away a copy look right on this. If you want to restore it, the pups are the main thing that made that model distinct.

    John

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    I wouldn't be in a hurry to change anything, other than get it properly set up. Your expectations concerning ornamentation may not be entirely correct.

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    At a minimum it needs new saddles because several of the have more than one slot, presumably because of the unique wide bridge/skinny nut taper, and the new slots weren’t filed in correctly. It also needs a correct bridge pickup because the single coil is really weak in comparison because I had Pite Biltoft at Vintage Vibe Guitars Dustin make it for a lap steel project and I wanted something beefier than a traditional lap steel single coil at the time. The tuners and string ferrules are nickel and the aftermarket pickups have gold covers to match the cheap bridge that was swapped in. The neck pickup is mushy sounding and inarticulate as well and the bridge pickup it had installed was dead when I got it from him, so that should also be resolved. Those would be my minimum changes. But since it’s not really mine, I’m only going to do what my nephew wants me to do,

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    I understand that Kluson is now making a replacement harmonica bridge. In case that's relevant.

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    These were the basic model sans extras,like 6 way switch, ebony or maple fingerboard.
    Actually a fun little guitar !

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    I get that the Deluxe did not have the 6-way switch, and the custom had the switch, stopbar tailpiece, and a different pickguard. So maybe it isn’t as ruined as I first thought.

    Now I need to find a replacement Gibson decal that is time-period correct. I found one original pickup used online but the owner doesn’t know if it was a bridge or neck position.

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    I spent some time on eBay looking at L6S models. Man oh man there were so many variations... Way I see it if it makes your heart flutter when you play it that's all that matters...

    Big

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    There are at least 3 or 4 on ebay right now that look identical (except the pickups) including the switch/knob configuration. Looks legit to me but without better photos. . .

    Still seems like the doormat of the Gibson line in terms of collector pressure (in High School I would have murdered for one of these).

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    If it helps, the specifications can be found here. I have a Custom, which is an endless source of joy to me. I think some time spent putting right this Deluxe would be worthwhile.

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    Back in the 70s Santana did a few ads for them, here's one. It sorta made them desirable. I thought an ebony 'board was the final touch needed, both visually and tonally.

    The Gibson L6-S-l6s-santana76-jpg

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    The only guitar I sort of regret not buying was one of those. I found it in a pawn shop in the early '90s, on one of my frequent searches for a deal I couldn't refuse. It had been rode hard and put away wet, with a bent tuner, a string missing, and a price a little higher than I was willing to pay. I should have bought it.

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    These are great guitars, I have a 2011 Reissue in maple and used to have a 1977 Custom. The 1977 Custom had the ebony board and a beautiful tobacco burst finish. The Reissue has been rewired to the same specs as the 1977.
    Ended up selling the 1977 Custom, the 2011 Reissue after being rewired was better sounding and more comfortable to play.

    The 'Super Humbucker' pickups are great too. The bridge pickup of my 1977 L6-S custom was like a very ''angry'' doubled-up Tele in sound. The neck pickup was very nice for jazz sounds, even with the 24 fret neck.

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    And they only weigh 15 lbs!

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    I have played a bunch of different versions of the L6S. IMO, the Deluxe is far and away the best one, in terms of sound.

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    I had one. Rotary switch, maple board. No jazz tones that I could find.

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    I reached out to Pete Biltoft at Vintage Vibe Guitars (my go-to for custom work) and he’s willing to make the pickups to any specifications I want. So I may end up making this sort of a hybrid Deluxe/Custom with DPDT knobs for coil splitting and a switch in that mini hole for series/parallel. Just waiting to hear from my nephew who hasn’t replied back to me yet.
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    I had an L6-S Custom (Black), one of the last ones made. I found out by looking up the serial number. It was made in late ‘80 and sold new in ‘81 after they discontinued it. The shop I bought it at was a new Gibson dealer, so they made him take it with his initial stock order. It was my workhorse for 25 years. The pups were good but not as hot as sometimes advertised, and you couldn’t remove the chrome covers. No pole pieces either. I usually just used the bridge pup alone or the neck pup alone. It did okay for the Jazz I played, but it wasn’t a “jazz guitar”. It wasn’t a “rock guitar” or any other genre either. It was a jack of all trades, master of none.


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    This is great feedback. Follow up question for you, IF you were going to change out the pickups, what would you go to? (It’s an all-maple guitar, so brightness needs to be factored in).

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    I stayed with them, as they had better reviews than the guitar itself. If I were to change right now I’d be looking at something like Seymour Duncan SH-2.


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    FWIW,

    If you can get your hands on a 1974 L6S Midnight Special, it has a mahogany body. I have played all of the 6s, and this is THE one. Great sound.

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    I’m actually thinking about letting the Gibby go if I find a willing trade partner. It’s nice but not exactly what I was looking for. And while my nephew was on the fence about selling it I went and got a Hamer Monaco Special Korina, and I get some sweet jazz tone out of the dual P-90s. It does really well for classic rock/R&B tones too.

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    Martino, Di Meola, Mclaughlin are consistently listed as Gibson L6-S players but I've never been able to find any evidence of when or where they used the guitar.

    I know Di Meola endorsed the guitar in an advertisement, but I have never found any other photo, footage or reference to him actually performing or recording with it.

    Anyone have any insight or anecdote?

    Particularly interested in Martino.