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    We have a local distributor of Eminence speakers and I am considering a new speaker for my '74 SF Princeton Reverb. The existing speaker is a replacement and is very inexpensive.

    Which of the Eminence line of 10 inch (8 ohm) speakers would you suggest for jazz?

    Many thanks.

    Dave
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    The DELTA DEMON is very good.
    I know it's not an Eminence but you should also consider the WEBER 10F150T.
    I tried it in a SF Princeton and it was fantastic.


    Which 10" Eminence Speaker for Jazz ?-eminence-delta-demon-jpg

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    Thanks Kawa.

    Great playing on both videos...you play the jazz style I like the most !! Congratulations.

    You wrote this as a response to a question:

    Quote "thx! Yes, the copperhead is much louder than the stock jensen, and much fuller in the mids. It's just a bit nasal (in a good way, you can hear that little peak in the mids in my tone), and I've since replaced it with a weber 10F150T that stands between the jensen and the copperhead." END of Quote

    Does this indicate that you prefer the Copperhead over the Weber? Just want to clarify.

    Thanks

    Dave

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    I bought many 10" for my '67 Vibrolux Reverb Jensen C10NS replacement units, but finaly the best result was reconning.

    I think '74 Silverface is also good and most sweet.

    Please try to set T1?2, B3?4 for Jazztone.

    Ted Weber know about the C10NS well, also ask him.
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    The "Lil' Buddy" (8ohm, 50Watt) has a hemp cone, which removes all shrillnes and "icepick" from the top. It is mellow and smooth. I put one in an old Cube 40 I have for practice, and it was a sigificant improvement over the stock speaker as well as a 50 years old Jensen speaker. I think it's the most mellow 10" speaker from Eminence.

    One could say that the "Lil Buddy" is the 10" equivalent of the 12" "Cannabis Rex".

    If you want to go with a hemp cone speaker, you can also check out those from Tone Tubby (they are more expensive than the Eminence speakers, though).

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    Hendriksen ( Jazzamp) used to use the Emi ragin' cajun in their Convertible amp. It is very loud @ 100Db SPL. They now use the Emi beta 10. These speakers both have ''jazz'' credentials, as the OP seems to want a ''jazz'' speaker. Otherwise the deltalite 10" is a good, neutral-sounding and efficient speaker. I have used a EV force 10 and it's wonderful for jazz, but it's no longer made and pretty heavy.
    To state the obvious, any replacement speaker will need to fit into a princeton cabinet -often upgrade speakers are deeper than the OEM original.

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    The Delta Demon is a fantastic sounding speaker. Sounds like much more $$ than it costs.

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    Eminence speakers are great for jazz!!!

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    Anyone else use eminence Copperheads? I have 2 on their way for use in a Bandmaster cab.

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    Has anyone tried the Eminence Lil Buddy?


    Which 10" Eminence Speaker for Jazz ?-eminence-lil-buddy-jpg

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    I have one in an Avatar cab, nice warm speaker. I couple it with the Wizard in a separate cab.

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    It's a hemp cone speaker - the 10" cousin to the 12" Eminence Cannabis Rex.

    I put one in a 30 years old Cube 40 amp. It warmed up the sound a good deal and removed the shrillness from the highs. IMHO it's a good speaker for a traditional jazz tone (like Jim Hall, Tal Farlow in the 1950s). It's reasonably priced.

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    I have one in my Roland 30x and it sounds fantastic. I plug my students in and the all ask why their Roland's don't sound as nice... It is the Buddy!

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    Oldane, Did the lil'Buddy fit in alright your Cube 40 without much trouble? Just ordered one for my orange cab Cube 40.
    Thanks!

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    No trouble at all, it's a direct replacement - no surgery needed. The Lil' Buddy fits nicely inside the amp.

    You just unscrew the back cover, pull off the leads from the terminals on the speaker (they are not soldered on mine), loosen the 4 nuts holding the speaker on the bolts, lift out the old speaker and put in the new one, fasten the 4 nuts, connect the leads to the new speaker, put on the back cover and you are up and running. It took me less than 5 minutes.

    Mind you, my amp is 30 years old, and I don't know anything about the internal cabinet dimensions of the newer Cube40 amps.

    As for the sound, the Lil' Buddy improved the sound of the Cube significantly, but I still prefer the sound of my Redstone RS10ER cabinet with either my Mambo amp head or an AI head + a Sansamp Paradriver DI preamp pedal. And of course it can never replace a Blackface Twin Reverb (which still - after 45 years of guitar playing - is the best sounding amp I never owned).

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    Without a doubt the downfall of the Roland Cube amps is their stock speakers. They're great amps with subpar speakers; an Eminence upgrade makes a huge improvement.

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    I haven't played one amp with stock 10's that I liked and never bought one with speakers that weren't blown. All my amps (4) with 10's have upgraded speakers and I think more people would shy away from 12's if they knew what a good 10 sounded like. But, alas that would make the chiropractors very unhappy.

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    Lil' Buddy installed ... very noticeable difference, and as Oldane said, no hassle fitting it into my vintage (orange cab) Cube 40. I also noticed (what I think is) a slight increase in gain, but with that has come a higher noise floor. Anyone else notice this, or maybe I hooked up something wrong? It's not unbearable, and the improved tone is worth it, but it could be a problem for recording.

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    Quite interesting! Anyone experienced it in a SuperChamp XD?
    Would this Eminence speaker be a worth upgrade (tone wise) if compared with the stock speaker?
    Would it physically fit in the cabinet (I mainly think about speaker depht and mounting screws)?
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    People have done it mostly in the blues/rock context. Ragin Cajun is more popular.

    SoundClick artist: Kyle Ashley - page with MP3 music downloads

    from BillM: "Just echoing a couple of other Super Champ XD threads that have popped up lately, the Eminence Lil Buddy looks like another good choice--not as raw-sounding as the Ragin Cajun can be.

    Also, regarding loudness, a couple of people have experimented with replacing the 12AX7 with a 12AY7 or even a 12AU7. It has minimal effect on the tone, but cuts the maximum volume way down. It's a useful tip for apartment dwellers. And if you play out, you can pop the 12AX7 back in for a big volume boost."

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    Any other advice regarding the mounting screws? Are the screws positioning standard? I don't want to drill additionnal holes, since I'm not sure about mechanical robustness of the cabinet design.

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    Yes, same size is same mounting specs.

    Points ; 10" 8??25W (minimum)
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    I mounted and tested the lil Buddy in my Fender SuperChamp XD this morning.
    The change in tone is far more than subtle: bolder, smoother and really full bodied, perfect for clean jazz, almost matching a Princeton at far cheaper price! Power handling seems better as well.
    It's a quite different amp and I like it even more now.
    This Lil Buddy is providing this sort of classic "smoky jazz club" tone I was looking for, which should'nt be a suprise from a hemp cone...

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    I have recently made the same swithc in my Roland 40xl. I found the change of tone to be very positive, more warmth and smoothness, which gave the mod amp functions a boost as well, while i had previously only used JC and Tweed setting, now the Black Panel setting has become interesting as well.I have noticed a slight increase in noise level in the amp itself, something people have explained as the result of putting in a more efficient speaker. I dont offer this info as a criticism of the change, merely a note of it, the sound quality increase is well worth the few € i cost!

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    That's the main problem about upgrading, eventhough the specs seems promising, there's a risk of mismatch between the new component and the rest of your equipment chain; quite common in HiFi!
    In your case, I'm sure Roland optimised the perfect match between amp + speaker in their design, in order to obtain the best possible performance vs price; for instance (just a supposition), they optimised the balance between speaker frequency range and amp bandwith, signal to noise ratio and overall performance, hence the audible hiss you never noticed before with the Lil Buddy installed; as soon as you change a single component, this balance could be altered and upgrading won't therefore bring the expected improvment.

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    Mambosun, I would be interested in hearingwhat you think of the speaker change on your Superchamp xd after a few days of experimentation. Wheather you experienced any of the noise increase, how you evaluate the tonal qualities fo the change etc.
    Best regards 0zoro

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    Quote Originally Posted by mambosun View Post
    That's the main problem about upgrading, eventhough the specs seems promising, there's a risk of mismatch between the new component and the rest of your equipment chain; quite common in HiFi!
    In your case, I'm sure Roland optimised the perfect match between amp + speaker in their design, in order to obtain the best possible performance vs price; for instance (just a supposition), they optimised the balance between speaker frequency range and amp bandwith, signal to noise ratio and overall performance, hence the audible hiss you never noticed before with the Lil Buddy installed; as soon as you change a single component, this balance could be altered and upgrading won't therefore bring the expected improvment.
    Well, maybe it's not that complicated. Speaker swaps in guitar amps are very common, because what sounds good to one player doesn't sound so good to another - tastes differ. Actually, the stock speaker has more emphasis on the highest freqencies than the Lil' Buddy has, so more hiss is not to be expected a priori. And like I wrote in an earlier post, I myself never noticed any increased hiss with the Lil' Buddy in my 1980s Cube40. When the OP hears more hiss, it can be because he listens more intensely to each and every sound of his amp than he has ever done - now that he has swapped the speaker. And yes, the Cube40 hisses a bit - both with the original speaker and with the Lil' Buddy.

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    Dane, that's really it. Being a recording hobbyist, I do tend to listen for those kind of things, especially when the change is new. In fact, at this point the background noise is not very noticeable at all. I'm also playing at a lower volume. And though the Roland is a little hissy, it's a dang great little amp, esp. with the lil'buddy upgrade. $100 for amp + $79 for speaker ... can't beat that!

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    Eminence Legend 1058 is real good choice for the Fender Super Champ x2. It retains the blackface tone of the channel 1, and also keeps the different voices on channel 2 - but it sounds significantly louder (75 watts, 99 Db), making this practice amplifier ready to gig.
    However, the amplifier is still usable at bedroom level in apartment.

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    I love the Eminence Legend 1058. I took one out of a Fender 80's Concert (it is labelled as a Fender speaker) and put it into my Princeton Reverb. That amp/speaker has the best Fendery tone, which I think IS the "jazz" tone in my head, and not an expensive speaker!

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    Check the thread #2.
    I baught many 10" for testing.
    Eminence The Copperhead is the best.

    Tone guide
    Eminence Guitar Speaker Tone Guide - Classic British and American Guitar Tone | Eminence Speaker

    https://www.eminence.com/pdf/Copperhead.pdf

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    My Evans amp has a 10" Eminence Delta, which I'm happy with. It produces a very smooth range of frequencies and stays clean at high volume. Good jazz speaker with no noticeable frequency spikes. If I use pedals to get some crunch, it does that well, but it doesn't overdrive easily.

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    I also own a Fender the Twin, (red knob, early 90's series), which sounds fairly good, and came out with Eminence legend 12" , stock.
    The eminence legend 1058 on a small amplifier, such as the super champ x2, puts you in that territory.
    Its high power rating helps to brings out the low and midrange frequencies from the archtop, keeping however the classic "fendery" tone.

    The copperhead seems to break up a little earlier, isn't it ?
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    The Delta Demon is very good. I have it in my Cube 30x and it was a significant tone upgrade although I don't use the amp much anymore.


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    Lil Buddy 10" great warm, efficient punch, no harsh tops, as Old Dane in my 1979 Cube 40w

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    I have a small Cube 40 (1985) for practice and small gigs. Sounds good, but problems with dialling in the right EQ in another room or position and especially with changing guitar. I replaced it a some 1? year ago with a Eminence Cannabis Rex, and it sounds so much warmer, cleared and easier to dial the EQ (I play all my instruments at almost the same setting), great for jazz/fusion. This is so much better than the stock Roland 10'' and much more fun to play!
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    +1 on the Lil’ Buddy. A great speaker.

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    I recently made a "sound-enhancer" from an old cupboard (plastified chipboard), not a masterpiece but it works! Had to replace the back plate of the Cube (with larger and centred sound hole) and added some padding in the Cube. Much tighter sound! Got the basic idea from internet: sound...enhancer... DIY... etc. *Measurments in the plan (below) are not for the Cube 40 ! Which 10" Eminence Speaker for Jazz ?-03-jpgWhich 10" Eminence Speaker for Jazz ?-02-jpgWhich 10" Eminence Speaker for Jazz ?-04-amp-stand-jpgWhich 10" Eminence Speaker for Jazz ?-01-jpg
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