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    Quote Originally Posted by Alder Statesman
    Here is a slight twist on the idea. I almost weakened, but finally decided to pass when no one could let me know how much shop rash the guitar had after 9 years on display.
    It's good to be cautious, but I wouldn't put much stock in what a GC employee says about condition. Did anyone actually say this guitar was on display for nearly a decade (I couldn't find that info from the ad)? Of course, you could buy it and have it shipped to you, then return it to your nearest GC if you don't like it. Easy-peasy.

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  3. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzshrink
    It's good to be cautious, but I wouldn't put much stock in what a GC employee says about condition. Did anyone actually say this guitar was on display for nearly a decade (I couldn't find that info from the ad)? Of course, you could buy it and have it shipped to you, then return it to your nearest GC if you don't like it. Easy-peasy.
    I hold zero trust with them. I “chatted” about a half dozen times with them regarding condition and terms, The best I got was I could exercise my right to return it within 45 days if dissatisfied. I probably would have moved ahead if I could have gotten a couple cell phone pics, but none were to be had. Shop rash did come up in the discussion.

    The model itself is not bad. I played two of these when Gibson introduced them and really liked them, but I had blown my guitar budget at the time. This one is cheaper than most new Epiphone 335’s and with Classic 57 pups it should be a deal for those who like to gamble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entresz
    Thanks everyone for the replies, they make for enjoyable reading!
    Nobody has talked me out of buying one though . ...
    Dog-hater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzshrink
    It's good to be cautious, but I wouldn't put much stock in what a GC employee says about condition. Did anyone actually say this guitar was on display for nearly a decade (I couldn't find that info from the ad)? Of course, you could buy it and have it shipped to you, then return it to your nearest GC if you don't like it. Easy-peasy.
    I've been checking GC fairly regularly for es-335's (semi-toying with the idea of trading in my D'A semi for some flavor of gibson semi); this is the first time I've seen that one listed. I doubt it's been sitting in a GC store for 9 years. There's something off/incomplete in the description.

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    I bought a few from GC based on a phone description. I had them ship it to my nearby GC and unboxed it there. Once the condition was less than described. The manage at the store saw this at the unboxing and returned it for me. I had an instant refund.

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    How about a banjo? You could amass a real collection at the drop of a hat!

  8. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by ewall
    How about a banjo? You could amass a real collection at the drop of a hat!
    Haha! Already have two banjos for trad gigs.

    Many would say that is two too many...

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    So disrespectful. I have a new 335. Go somewhere else! And far away from my lawn!

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    There are a lot of 335s out there. Take your time.

    The two things I liked about distant GCs is that I can have it shipped to my GC, which is about five miles away, and open the box there. My local GC will ship it back on the spot if it isn't as described. No hassle. The other is that GC commonly takes reasonable offers.

    The last guitar I got from GC was a Heritage Super Kenny Burrell. I got it for a great price and they threw in a pack of strings.

    Super Kenny Burrell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Grass
    There are a lot of 335s out there. Take your time.

    The two things I liked about distant GCs is that I can have it shipped to my GC, which is about five miles away, and open the box there. My local GC will ship it back on the spot if it isn't as described. No hassle. The other is that GC commonly takes reasonable offers.

    The last guitar I got from GC was a Heritage Super Kenny Burrell. I got it for a great price and they threw in a pack of strings.

    Super Kenny Burrell
    Yup. In the last couple of years I've bought a used Les Paul, Quilter amp, and Eastman acoustic guitar from non-local GC's and and had them shipped to the local one. All for reasonable prices (they accepted an offer on the Quilter). I've had many problems getting things shipped to my home (lost shipments, packages stolen from the lobby, damage), and this method of buying removes that risk entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgBone
    What kind of amp were you using that you found 57's muddy? I found Seths slightly too bright but it's cause my amp is a Twin with the treble cranked and I wasn't messing with my EQ to cater to the pickups, I just replaced them with 57's and all was well (long story involving two different semis). I think with a darker amp the Seth's would be more ideal but I am still able to dial in the 57's with height and pole pieces adjustments and there is def no mud.
    (…)
    This is interesting: playing the Twin ”treble cranked”. Most of us adjust the amp according to the guitar (and the room), but You adjust the guitar (& pickups) according the amp?

    Does Your twin sound better or different when treble cranked? How?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie
    This is interesting: playing the Twin ”treble cranked”. Most of us adjust the amp according to the guitar (and the room), but You adjust the guitar (& pickups) according the amp?

    Does Your twin sound better or different when treble cranked? How?
    I recall the days of toting a Twin Reverb or a Super Reverb to gigs.

    Here's an old Gibson catalog (1966). I had an Atlas amp shown in there. That was heavy also. https://archive.org/details/gibson-g...e/n25/mode/2up

    My big amp is a Fender Concert, which is small in comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie
    This is interesting: playing the Twin ”treble cranked”. Most of us adjust the amp according to the guitar (and the room), but You adjust the guitar (& pickups) according the amp?

    Does Your twin sound better or different when treble cranked? How?
    I play blues not jazz but those settings are the Freddie King-BB King settings though BB would turn mids and bass to about 2 or so. So any ES should sound good that way without adjusting EQ . I removed a set of Seth Lovers because it was a little too shrill. Dialing down the treble didn't really change it enough whereas a 490r or 57 classic was ideal at those settings. I adjust it that way every time unless there are volume restrictions or the room is exceedingly bright, this way I get the same sound every night, eliminating variables and guesswork.

    It doesn't make sense if you were in a room playing alone, it'll sound slightly shrill, but as soon as you have a really loud band behind you it makes sense. It's just bright enough to cut through the mix. At lower volume it'll sound more bright with the treble cranked but as the volume rises everything warms up and it sits in the mix quite well.

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    Back to the 335. McCarty's team designed this with a lot of thought. It needed to look like a real guitar, not like the solid bodies Gibson made, be relatively light, and not feedback. It's brilliant. It also dazzles with a lot of finished wood to dazzle an audience compared to a Tele.

    For most, the 335 does an excellent job. I have had a lot of experience with the 345, 355, and the Lucille. Given the same pickups, my ears can't tell the difference unless you go stereo or take the Varitone off of 1.

    I get the notion of ebony affecting the attack. I'd like to see frequency-amplitude-time data with a blinded study to prove it. If that's so, the block inlays may also affect the output. It makes more sense that ebony affects the violin tone in that there are no steel frets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alder Statesman
    Here is a slight twist on the idea. I almost weakened, but finally decided to pass when no one could let me know how much shop rash the guitar had after 9 years on display.

    Open Box Gibson 2015 ES-335 Studio Semi-Hollow Electric Guitar Ginger Burst 888365508153 | Guitar Center
    I had the red version of that guitar, same model year. I loved almost everything about it. Workmanship was good, neck was good, the sound was perfect; it was the only humbucker-equipped guitar I ever owned with which I could get a decent sound from the bridge pickup (usually i sound like I’m playing rubber bands; it’s me, not the guitars. I played a Tele for forty years). The one thing I didn’t like about it was the baked-maple fingerboard, and I really hated that. I eventually sold it to finance my Epiphone Devon. The newer versions had rosewood and four controls. I probably would have kept one of those.

    But I’m still jonesing for a 335. The perfect Gibson for me. I’ll pick one up one of these days. But I have played little electric for the last five years, and not at all on stage.

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    Efforts to talk me out of buying a 335 were utterly fruitless.

    Put a deposit down on this today. It's a 2018 model.
    It sounds fantastic and I love the beefy neck. The shop were willing to sell it to me at a very modest price, and I particularly liked the combination of small blocks and the ebony finish.

    Talk me out of buying a Gibson ES-335-4-jpg

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    His name was Fido.
    You have blood on your hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    His name was Fido.
    You have blood on your hands.
    I will play a song dedicated to Fido's memory

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    Quote Originally Posted by entresz
    Efforts to talk me out of buying a 335 were utterly fruitless.

    Put a deposit down on this today. It's a 2018 model.
    It sounds fantastic and I love the beefy neck. The shop were willing to sell it to me at a very modest price, and I particularly liked the combination of small blocks and the ebony finish.

    Talk me out of buying a Gibson ES-335-4-jpg
    Congrats big dawg that is a beauty now let's hear those BB King licks! No more excuses now that you have a semi heh heh....

  21. #70

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    335s have the pickup selector in a horrible place, and the whole guitar is small and cramped. Not fun to play at all. That help?

  22. #71

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    Buy a 335, if you like it, it's all good. If not, sell it, that's fine too.


    I once bought a very old ES 330. Great guitar, but not for me.
    After a few gigs I had to admit to myself that the guitar wasn't for me.
    I sold it and bought a small Yamaha, which I still enjoy today.

    The good thing about the Yamaha is that if I leave the guitar on stage and go
    into the break, the guitar is still there when I come back.