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    I am planning to replace my DV Mark Jazz 12 with DV Mark Jazz Micro and one of the Toob Metro 6.5, either BG or FR. I got them 2 for a week to try them out. I tried them a bit and can not decide. FR seems to have more mids, but somehow sounds a bit weeker then BG.
    I need to get one them back soon. Any thoughts, hints from the players that had experience with these?

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    Hi Manda! I was hoping somebody else would reply first. The 6.5BG is the most popular Metro, used by both jazz guitarists and upright bass players. The 6.5FR II is a Swiss Army cab, with so many uses that I can never get the list right. Depending on your amp and tone taste, what may factor in is that the FR II is louder. Its SICA 6D 1.5SL dual-cone speaker has a sensitivity of 94 dB vs 91 dB of the SICA 6L 1.5SL used with the 6.5BG and GP+ models. That alone means it needs half the power for the same SPL. As well, the single port on the FR backplate is covered with 2 mm hard felt, while the BG port has 8 mm of felt to build enough back pressure. If you like the traditional dark, round jazz tone, BG offers it without much tweaking of the amp. If you play bass as well, BG handles it better than FR (which is not bad either.) If you play acoustic flattops or any other instruments, then the versatility of the FR II might win.

    Cheers,

    Markku from Toobville
    Last edited by Gitterbug; 10-13-2024 at 03:30 AM.

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    I use both and they are both great. FR more ‘hi fi’ and has a more “acoustic” quality obviously. Depends on your tonal preferences.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller
    I use both and they are both great. FR more ‘hi fi’ and has a more “acoustic” quality obviously. Depends on your tonal preferences.


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    Great. Now I want one.


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    You can have one for a moderate amount of currency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manda
    I am planning to replace my DV Mark Jazz 12 with DV Mark Jazz Micro and one of the Toob Metro 6.5, either BG or FR. I got them 2 for a week to try them out. I tried them a bit and can not decide. FR seems to have more mids, but somehow sounds a bit weeker then BG.
    I need to get one them back soon. Any thoughts, hints from the players that had experience with these?
    Hi, could you explain to me what you don't like about the DV Mark Jazz 12?

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    Hi, could you explain to me what you don't like about the DV Mark Jazz 12?
    It's not that I don't like. It's more about mobility. I don't have a car and don't plan to have it in the near future.

    I like it's balanced sounding and that specific sound. On the other hand there is some kind of box sound that comes due to 12 cabinet - Little Jazz has somewhat more pleasing sound in that sense. Toob Metro is also in that sense closer to Little Jazz

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    Quote Originally Posted by manda
    It's not that I don't like. It's more about mobility. I don't have a car and don't plan to have it in the near future.

    I like it's balanced sounding and that specific sound. On the other hand there is some kind of box sound that comes due to 12 cabinet - Little Jazz has somewhat more pleasing sound in that sense. Toob Metro is also in that sense closer to Little Jazz
    I thought the dvm 12 with its 12 speaker was better. Isn't the bigger speaker an advantage for jazz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlos
    I thought the dvm 12 with its 12 speaker was better. Isn't the bigger speaker an advantage for jazz?
    Sorry, I can not relate your question to what I wrote about my reasons

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    Thanks to everyone for response. I decided to go with BG version. Might though decide to buy FR II additionally

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    Quote Originally Posted by manda
    Thanks to everyone for response. I decided to go with BG version. Might though decide to buy FR II additionally
    Great will you let us know how it works for you ?

    I use a Metro BG myself (with a BAM200)
    and I’m wondering if a DV micro amp would work even better
    maybe a raw dawg 60
    with its micro tube front end
    with a dash of its on board reverb

    anyone using this kinda setup
    or its big 250 watt brother ?

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    Hi Pingu!

    DV Mark's 1st gen. Micro 50 from 2016 is my first modern micro amp. I also have the 50M (2017), which has the same clean channel but coarser sawtooth in the overdrive mode. I love the pure sound of these amps, but the reverb is famously wobbly. At 2 kg/4.4 lbs and 8"x8" (20x20cm) these amps are rather macro by today's standards and physically too large to rest on a Metro. Forum savvy Nevershouldhavesoldit uses a Raw Dawg 250. I trust he'll comment.

    My latest infatuation its the Darkglass Microtubes 200 bass amp. 1 kg, 16x14 cm footprint, 4-band eq, great sound and feels more dynamic than the BAM. Hair on tap, too. Alas, no reverb. These are made in Helsinki and I've just gotten to know the people, so I'll try to be an amp whisperer.

    Cheers,

    Markku
    Last edited by Gitterbug; 10-16-2024 at 03:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitterbug
    Nevershouldhavesoldit uses a Raw Dawg 250. I trust he'll comment.
    I love my EG250 with a Metro, and I don’t think it’s too big to sit on the little platform. As much as I loved my SBUS, the Metro needs a bigger kick in the pants to handle big gigs. In addition to the 150W it delivers to a nominal 8 Ohm load, the EG250 has a tube front end that sounds much richer than any of the small SS or class D heads I’ve used.

    The 60 has a similar front end, so I’d expect it to have the same great tone. It makes 50W into 8 Ohms, so it should be noticeably but not dramatically louder than a SBUS through a Metro. Then again, your BAM’s hundred watts into 8 Ohms plus MOSFET front end should make very nice sound for a jazz guitar through a Metro. I have very limited experience with a BAM200, so I can’t directly compare it to the EG250 and haven’t played my own guitars through one. My recollection is that the BAM’s sound is not as “alive” as the EG250, and it didn’t have the responsiveness to touch, pick position etc that the EG has.

    The Quilter Tone Block 202 and the OD202 are just about as tubey, and my OD202 sounds great with Toobs. I’ve used mine with Metro 6.5 GP+, Metro BG+, 10, and 12B. The Quilter’s also OK sitting on the Metro platform, but (like the EG250) you have to be sure the Velcro strips are perfectly aligned to maximize grip. The combo is not tippy because the front leg is wide enough to keep it stable. But I suspect that it would be easy to dislodge a head this wide with a minor bump to a corner if the Velcro only has a partial grip. For size reference, that’s my Blu 6 to the right in the picture.

    Toob Metro 6.5 BG vs FR-img_1896-jpeg

    It really sounds great with an archtop. Here’s a track made with my Ibanez AF207 with Benedetto B7 pickup and heavy TI Bensons through this head on a Metro GP+, which has a little less bottom and a slightly more prominent mid to upper midrange than the BG+:



    And here’s a shorter clip from my 7 string Tele with TI JS113s and Lace Alumitones through the same head and the pictured Metro BG+:

    Last edited by nevershouldhavesoldit; 10-15-2024 at 02:59 PM.