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    Anyone know about this learnjazzstandards.net?

    Jazz Guitar Mastery: Enroll Now

    Looks like its hyped up and pure salesman strategies, which I would know. But would like to know if anyone ever tried this. I've seen his YouTube channel Jazz Guitar Lessons - YouTube
    Its $497 year or 6 monthly payments of $119 which works out to 714 a year.
    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cris1xy
    Anyone know about this learnjazzstandards.net?

    Jazz Guitar Mastery: Enroll Now

    Looks like its hyped up and pure salesman strategies, which I would know. But would like to know if anyone ever tried this. I've seen his YouTube channel Jazz Guitar Lessons - YouTube
    Its $497 year or 6 monthly payments of $119 which works out to 714 a year.
    Any thoughts?
    Five bills or point seven large for a year of jazz guitar lessons? How many Popiel Veg-o-Matics does that work out to?

    Uh - I think I'll pass.

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    he's not very good, is he? if you must enroll to an online course check out courses by real players like rodney jones, or get some skype lessons from grasso, mike stern, or whoever floats your boat. why settle for less? this is the beauty and also the bitter truth of our jazz economy. you can interact with the top players in the world for peanuts. try offering roger federer 200 bucks for a tennis lesson...

    or apply the dick onstenk method, which is actually proven to work and has the extra benefit of being free.

    i'm sorry, but from a professional perspective this is almost a scam:


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    Well I would have to agree with djg.

    As for what I would recommend I think a lot depends on your level. If you are a beginner, signing up for a course with a well known jazz guitarist might be a bit hit and miss, unless you know that person has a proven track record with beginners.

    The impression I get is most people use courses much like I think they use books; take what they want and are ready for. That’s the way I’ve always done it. And for advanced students, one lesson with a world class player can keep you in stuff to work on for months and months.

    Jazz learners have always been self directed and tbh that’s the best way.

    But for those who need a bit more weekly or fortnightly focus, it’s good to find someone who teaches a lot of beginners and is available for regular contact. There are many experienced teachers who are also pretty burning players out there. I can name many from my own circle for example, who are not big on YouTube or anything but are really really good players and experienced educators.

    Just being on YouTube opens up a lot of doors though. It’s kind of a completely separate thing. I don’t count myself as any kind of success on YT but people seek you out when they know your face. LJS is capitalising on this and I would expect him to have some uptake, like it or not. I’ve used his backing tracks for example, I think everyone has. He had a good YT business model.

    There’s a generation for whom the primary music stars will not be players on the live gigging scene but big music YouTubers. It’s a mixed bag, but I think there’s some amazing aspects to this (and some crappy ones.)

    Anyway, I’m planning to possibly do some serious research into this sector at some point as it’s become so
    important to many on this forum.

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    youtube is the pornhub for music

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    youtube is the pornhub for music
    I don't think I know enough about the latter to make the comparison. Perhaps you can go into greater detail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    I don't think I know enough about the latter to make the comparison. Perhaps you can go into greater detail?
    yeah, i read about this guy in london

    well, maybe, as you say, the next generation of famous jazz musicians will basically be camgirls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cris1xy
    Anyone know about this learnjazzstandards.net?

    Jazz Guitar Mastery: Enroll Now

    Looks like its hyped up and pure salesman strategies, which I would know. But would like to know if anyone ever tried this. I've seen his YouTube channel Jazz Guitar Lessons - YouTube
    Its $497 year or 6 monthly payments of $119 which works out to 714 a year.
    Any thoughts?
    The operator of this site has a podcast. Listen to a couple episodes and it will give you a feel for his skill and teaching style.

    Personally I feel there is greater value in an unlimited subscription to Truefire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    well, on YT you do offer yourself up for anonymous consumption. what used to be a social event is now a depressing one-way street where the consumer does not have the least bit of responsibility. they don't even have to show up physically. if they get tired of you they just hop to the next player of the minute. the only one who gets filthy rich is your pimp. and you better behave because not only is he the only pimp in town, there is just one town...
    The same (anonymous consumption) could be said of records and books.

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    I have no opinion of either site but I think there is a difference between
    the link in the original post and the site named in the thread title, which is here:

    Learn Jazz Standards - The Ultimate Jazz Musician Resource

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    he's not very good, is he? if you must enroll to an online course check out courses by real players like rodney jones, or get some skype lessons from grasso, mike stern, or whoever floats your boat. why settle for less? this is the beauty and also the bitter truth of our jazz economy. you can interact with the top players in the world for peanuts. try offering roger federer 200 bucks for a tennis lesson...

    or apply the dick onstenk method, which is actually proven to work and has the extra benefit of being free.

    i'm sorry, but from a professional perspective this is almost a scam:

    What are we saying here? That Sequin is not a professional, 'qualified' jazz musician? That he does not offer value for money? Is your assessment based on a thorough-going review of all his materials ( not just YT clips )? 50,000 visitors to Welcome to JazzGuitarLessons.net must mean something. Are you familiar with his academic credentials: Marc-Andre Seguin - About Does : ".....................from a professional perspective this is almost a scam." indicate that you are a fellow/competing professional, or simply a hobbyist like a large proportion of members of this forum? What's the problem here? Admittedly, the chosen clip did seem a bit 'lightweight' but to deem his entire offering as 'almost a scam' is perhaps a bit over the top. What's the grouse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat
    What are we saying here? That Sequin is not a professional, 'qualified' jazz musician? That he does not offer value for money? Is your assessment based on a thorough-going review of all his materials ( not just YT clips )? 50,000 visitors to Welcome to JazzGuitarLessons.net must mean something. Are you familiar with his academic credentials: Marc-Andre Seguin - About Does : ".....................from a professional perspective this is almost a scam." indicate that you are a fellow/competing professional, or simply a hobbyist like a large proportion of members of this forum? What's the problem here? Admittedly, the chosen clip did seem a bit 'lightweight' but to deem his entire offering as 'almost a scam' is perhaps a bit over the top. What's the grouse?
    I do not believe his intention was to call this out as outright scam. The wording in my opinion looks like a lot of sales pitching. That and a few other things. He is right that there are big well known names out there that that do cost less than what this system is calling for. Fact of the matter is, while I can't say that he is not a professional, I know nothing of him before finding the site to say that he is. So before I would dish out that amount of money I would have to get good recommendations. Hence the reason for posting to find out if anyone have ever used it and any recommendations. I do find you are overly optimistic so if you have used his lessons I would like to get your thoughts because I am looking for a long-term program. Got a lot of good recommendations from another post but then I ran into this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alder Statesman
    The operator of this site has a podcast. Listen to a couple episodes and it will give you a feel for his skill and teaching style.

    Personally I feel there is greater value in an unlimited subscription to Truefire.
    Good idea. I already established that Truefire long term is not for me though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cris1xy
    I do not believe his intention was to call this out as outright scam. The wording in my opinion looks like a lot of sales pitching. That and a few other things. He is right that there are big well known names out there that that do cost less than what this system is calling for. Fact of the matter is, while I can't say that he is not a professional, I know nothing of him before finding the site to say that he is. So before I would dish out that amount of money I would have to get good recommendations. Hence the reason for posting to find out if anyone have ever used it and any recommendations. I do find you are overly optimistic so if you have used his lessons I would like to get your thoughts because I am looking for a long-term program. Got a lot of good recommendations from another post but then I ran into this site.
    Pretty close run thing. Easily said. Nothing wrong with 'sales pitching' if the product is sound. People like Jimmy Bruno were right up there in this sense. The guy is Canadian and if you check his CV has one if not two CDs to his name, lots of subscribers and a degree in classical music +++ I understand that he gigs regularly and plays festivals in his home country. He is certainly a working professional :

    Does he have to be a 'name' in order to market his knowledge and skills? Not sure that I see the relevance. I declare an interest in that early on when he was just starting out I had something of a dialogue with him ( for free ). I guarantee that he knows his stuff!

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    Here's another clip - probably gives a better idea.............


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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    youtube is the pornhub for music
    What about Apple Music and Spotify?

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    Time to see if I can remember my onlyfans password.

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    Well since YouTube is free,why would you pay unless it's one on one private lessons?. Not putting the guy or his ability down, but there are tons of guitar tutorials for nothing from way more known players.

    I really hate players have to be Amway Sales people to survive anymore!

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    I think if you know what you want to learn you will find a way to teach yourself. But if you are a bit lost, or a true beginner, or just looking for a different perspective then paying for one of these programs may be ok. The price in the op's post seems steep for most of us though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcat
    Pretty close run thing. Easily said. Nothing wrong with 'sales pitching' if the product is sound. People like Jimmy Bruno were right up there in this sense. The guy is Canadian and if you check his CV has one if not two CDs to his name, lots of subscribers and a degree in classical music +++ I understand that he gigs regularly and plays festivals in his home country. He is certainly a working professional :

    Does he have to be a 'name' in order to market his knowledge and skills? Not sure that I see the relevance. I declare an interest in that early on when he was just starting out I had something of a dialogue with him ( for free ). I guarantee that he knows his stuff!

    Fair points made, but he instantly loses credibility for playing a blue sparkly glitter telecaster.

    I keep seeing his commercials on YouTube. I’ve tried a few of his free lessons and they didn’t work for my learning and playing style. I use a host of other free youtube channels, Facebook jazz forums, this site (JGO) and going to live jams (when they return at least) for my jazz guitar lessons. I’d love to make a video comparing me in 2014 to now, my progress and playing without a formal teacher has developed remarkably so there is truth to the idea of self teaching. I know I’d have reached my goals faster with a teacher but I don’t have that kind of time or money. This site (JGO) was critical in getting my first few years together.

    and I’m just joking about the blue guitar credibility thing!

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    A good friend of mine has been using the website and has had great success. YMMV.

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    If you are looking for online lessons, I cannot recommend Matt Warnock's site enough. He has over 2000 lessons on the site, he does 3 weekly hour-long live group sessions on YouTube in which you can ask questions and he replies, he responds to e-mailed questions incredibly fast (sometimes within minutes), has week-end challenges, weekly challenges, and you can put a video up on a private Youtube channel, send him the link and what feedback you are looking for and he checks it out and gets back to you. I have no idea how he does it all, but he is a great teacher, patient and fun to watch/interact with. When I signed up with him it was $20 a month for all of that, plus all the new content he keeps coming up with; I don't know what it is now, perhaps $30(?) a month... He may even have an annual rate that is cheaper, now that I say that I should probably check that out as I've been with him for a year, and plan on doing another year. I believe that this Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday are free (9 am PST, ugh) so folks can check him out. I can't recommend him too highly, I have really learned a lot from his sessions and camps and personal responses. You can probably go to his website to register for the free sessions this week, but I'm just guessing.

    EDIT: This is the link for the free access to the office hours: Easy Jazz Guitar Chords | Matt Warnock Guitar - you supply your email address and then Matt sends out an email with a link to the live session 15 minutes before it starts (8:45 AM PST). I would guess that there are generally 40-50 regulars every week, so a lot of good stuff comes up. Tuesdays Matt goes over one of his written courses, Thursdays are an office hour for any questions, Saturdays are whatever on-going formal course is happening.

    Other than being a member of his classes, I am not affiliated with him in any way. I also belong to Frank Vignola's Jazz Studio, but I really get a lot more out of Matt's classes. Just my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ah.clem
    If you are looking for online lessons, I cannot recommend Matt Warnock's site enough. He has over 2000 lessons on the site, he does 3 weekly hour-long live group sessions on YouTube in which you can ask questions and he replies, he responds to e-mailed questions incredibly fast (sometimes within minutes), has week-end challenges, weekly challenges, and you can put a video up on a private Youtube channel, send him the link and what feedback you are looking for and he checks it out and gets back to you. I have no idea how he does it all, but he is a great teacher, patient and fun to watch/interact with. When I signed up with him it was $20 a month for all of that, plus all the new content he keeps coming up with; I don't know what it is now, perhaps $30(?) a month... He may even have an annual rate that is cheaper, now that I say that I should probably check that out as I've been with him for a year, and plan on doing another year. I believe that this Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday are free (9 am PST, ugh) so folks can check him out. I can't recommend him too highly, I have really learned a lot from his sessions and camps and personal responses. You can probably go to his website to register for the free sessions this week, but I'm just guessing.

    EDIT: This is the link for the free access to the office hours: Easy Jazz Guitar Chords | Matt Warnock Guitar - you supply your email address and then Matt sends out an email with a link to the live session 15 minutes before it starts (8:45 AM PST). I would guess that there are generally 40-50 regulars every week, so a lot of good stuff comes up. Tuesdays Matt goes over one of his written courses, Thursdays are an office hour for any questions, Saturdays are whatever on-going formal course is happening.

    Other than being a member of his classes, I am not affiliated with him in any way. I also belong to Frank Vignola's Jazz Studio, but I really get a lot more out of Matt's classes. Just my experience.
    You sound like you're pitching something too, especially as a lot of the things you said are like 100% so you weren't really guessing. But you are right. I have a membership on mwgcourses with Matt and it is one of the best I've tried if not the best online instruction. I also have Frank Vignola's Jazz Studio which is good too especially the songs section but will not renew so I can focus on Jazz single note soloing. I have Jimmy Bruno which is not very impressive imo. A lot of stuff out there but unfortunately not everyone is meant to teach

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSanta
    A good friend of mine has been using the website and has had great success. YMMV.
    How so? Everyone defines success differently

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_Jazz
    Fair points made, but he instantly loses credibility for playing a blue sparkly glitter telecaster.

    I keep seeing his commercials on YouTube. I’ve tried a few of his free lessons and they didn’t work for my learning and playing style. I use a host of other free youtube channels, Facebook jazz forums, this site (JGO) and going to live jams (when they return at least) for my jazz guitar lessons. I’d love to make a video comparing me in 2014 to now, my progress and playing without a formal teacher has developed remarkably so there is truth to the idea of self teaching. I know I’d have reached my goals faster with a teacher but I don’t have that kind of time or money. This site (JGO) was critical in getting my first few years together.

    and I’m just joking about the blue guitar credibility thing!
    I wish I was like you in that regard but I lack discipline to learn on YouTube. Too many cat videos I guess