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    first off i like to say hi and how great this site is with a very short introduction about me so i won't annoy anyone.

    im are of a blues rock player who basically flirted with fusion jazz in the past, I've been at guitar 30 plus years, but you all probably guessed what i know based on the music genre, i did study classical but forgot most of it, not embarrassed to say that after meeting Andy Summers and hearing the same during the late 1980s.

    I used to sight read music but ruined it with tab stuff, i have the real pro app on my mac and ipad and fake and real books, yet even with this i stuck for some reason.

    for example, i got the set list from a very good singer who asked me to play with her
    Whisper not, by Benny Golson ANITA O'DAY
    Close your eyes, Bernice Petkee STACEY KENT
    A night in Tunisia, Dizzy Gillespie CHAKA KHAN
    Doodling, Horace Silver DEE DEE BRIDGEWATER
    Autumn leaves, Joseph Kosma DEE DEE BRIDGEWATER
    Four, Mils Davis ANITA O'DAY
    Corcovado, Antonio-Carlos Jobin SARAH VAUGHAN
    It ain’t necessarily so, Goerge Gershwin - Aretha Franklyn JAMIE CULLUM
    I got rythm, Goerge Gershwin
    Cheek to cheek, Irvin Berlin JANE MONHEIT
    Witchcraft, Cy Coleman
    Caravan, Duke Ellington
    Well you needn’t, Thelonious Monk
    Yesterdays, Jerome Kern
    One note samba, Antonio-Carlos Jobin STACEY KENT
    Miss Celie’s blues, Quincy Jones
    Dat dere, Bobby Timmons OSCAR BROWN
    Tangerine, Victor Schertzingr
    You don’t know what love is D, Raye-DePaul
    I’ll wind, Harold Arlen LONETTE MAC KEE
    the list above is are the songs, versions and her fav singers.

    so i whipped out iReal Pro, downloaded all this material both to real pro as well as youtube videos of the original tracks and people performing them on youtube., im still lost.

    i started with "whisper not", in iReal pro the chords are not at all identical to what i hear the app playing...very annoying...not sure what i am doing.
    Then i tried learning the song from the original track on youtube and realized this was not in the same key...very frustrating,

    is there a idiot proof jazz standard song book with the right chords according to the record, i tried fallowing chordify.com versions and those where also out of touch with reality lol

    i got the melody down in my head and on guitar,, i can play the 7th chords but im baffled on how to pull off Whisper not and Close your eyes, im sued to tab books etc.

    lease advise on a route here, very much appreciate it.
    please advise

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    Can't you choose any key you want for the tunes in ireal pro? What's the problem? Are you saying you can't read chords on a lead sheet?

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    To change key just tap on the key signature next to the treble clef.

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    Yes, iRealPro lets you change the key to any other, at will. One thing to keep in mind is that the singer may have a preferred key, perhaps a mandatory key, so you need to learn the songs in any key, or at least get the singer's preferences. Other than that, I don't know of any shortcuts, I just have to practice a song. Once you have much more experience it gets easier, because you learn to recognize progressions, and can more easily hear where the changes go. But that takes a lot of listening and practice. Often you can drop some of the chord extensions and play simpler chords. The chords in iRealPro are not necessarily the correct or best chords, they're just what one player decided to use, based on his own ear and experience. They should get you close, but not necessarily exactly to the best choices. To back a singer in a duo is very demanding, much moreso than just banging out rhythm in a band, and very much moreso than playing blues and rock. Practice, practice, practice. Then practice some more.

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    yeah deffo get the key , tempo
    and style for each tune from the singer herself ...

    plonk them into ireal and off you go

    do ask advice on individual tunes if needed here ...

    this forum is usually very helpful like that ....

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    So yeah, you need to figure out what key SHE'S going to sing in. Just because those are her favorite singers doesn't mean those will be in her "key."

    Then you can use the Real Book or IReal to get you in the ballpark. In jazz, there's few times there's only one right way to do things...


    By the way, if she doesn't know her keys, RUN FROM THIS GIG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    By the way, if she doesn't know her keys, RUN FROM THIS GIG.
    I have a horrifying story about this, and I'm not easily horrified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corpse
    I have a horrifying story about this, and I'm not easily horrified.
    what happened ?

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    Oh man, I can only imagine...

    It's like the time I was told that I had to jam with this "really great drummer who can totally play jazz." Guy gets to my house and starts unloading multiple bass drums.


    Seriously though, OP, do get as much info as you can...I'm not trying to say this as a slight to you, but more as a warning--generally, "really good jazz singers" don't hire guitar players for a duo gig who haven't played a standards gig before...so I just worry that she might not be as professional as she comes off (or as others have built her up to be)

    Or I could be completely wrong...I've just...been burned before.

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    I've been working on playing jazz for a while and I would find that list daunting. Not particularly common tunes.

    She's either awesome or clueless. She should be giving you charts if she's good.

    I don't like to say working with singers sucks, but it sort of does. Usually just no idea of the basics of how music works.

    "Let's just do elect to do the bridge really quickly and now we are 6 measures ahead. Weeee!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    what happened ?
    This was a singer who supposedly has done jazz gigs, but on the gig I learn she practiced by singing along to specific recordings over and over-- some of which were in different keys than the most common. I don't care, I'll play in any key, but we were starting tunes and she can't find first notes, even with intros playing the first note she couldn't match it because she had learned the tunes by rote. She had no idea what key she did them in (and I'm not positive she knew what a key was). So I'm there trying to play these intro things modulating into different keys and looking at her like "how about this one?"

    A lot of singers get the idea they are better than they are (well, most musicians, but singers are a little different) For instance, anyone can sing, but if they're slightly above average at young age they are told how beautiful their voice is, and then they have this god-given talent and never learn anything about music. Gigging isn't karaoke.

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    Your stated experience and present struggle describes a mismatch from what's needed for that set list...
    You could rehearse with the singer to find out.

    It's not clear (and strange no one has asked) if she has a band with which she wants you to play, or wants you to accompany her as a duo. A blues/rock guitarist getting stuck with music beyond 7th chords can't properly accompany a jazz singer as a duo. Chances are a little better if the singer has a band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauln
    Your stated experience and present struggle describes a mismatch from what's needed for that set list...
    You could rehearse with the singer to find out.

    It's not clear (and strange no one has asked) if she has a band with which she wants you to play, or wants you to accompany her as a duo. A blues/rock guitarist getting stuck with music beyond 7th chords can't properly accompany a jazz singer as a duo. Chances are a little better if the singer has a band.
    changing the key is not the problem, its hearing totally different chords from the guitar chord chart i am seen., including odd timing.

    for example i have Whisper Not on jazz-ballad swing at 100bpm, the chords i hear the piano playing are not at all the same as the guitar, i tried Guitar Trio instead of jazz ballad swing and the guitars i hear are not at all playing those chords im seen...its hard to learn a while new genre when you cant even hear the right chords or exact chords in the chord charts.

    if you guys have iReal pro try it., compare it to the original track or a decent recording, on top of this iReal pro claims they can not allow lyrics because of copyrights...really? there i another program that is just a program which allows ne to import pdf and other format of music, no matter who wrote it.

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    Are you going to rehearse? How long do you have to prepare for this?

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    Well, the piano player in iReal pro sucks, I fired him a long time ago and just work with the bass player and drummer.

    Kidding aside, don't try to learn the rhythm of the comping from iReal, it's god awful. But the chords you're hearing are right. iReal plays inversions, not just root position chords. It also defaults to "embellished" chords, which means it might thrown in some extensions where they are not specifically written. That's kinda what jazz playing is...so if you're looking for a set "part" to play, you're not going to find it.

    It'd be helpful if we knew a little more about what your skill set is now. Do you know your drop 2 and 3 voicings and inversions for maj7, m7, 7, m7b5 and some altered dominant chords?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    just work with the bass player and drummer.
    Funny, that's what I do as well.

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    My advice is to carefully consider whether you can make this gig successful.

    To be honest, and maybe a little too blunt, I'd bet against it.

    This doesn't strike me as an easy gig. You'll be playing unfamiliar tunes, and the singer is going to be singing along with the recording in her head, not what you're looking at. Or maybe not what you remember from the recording.

    So, if you can play along, capably, with all those recordings, you'd be fine. But, with this singer, if anything goes wrong, like she forgets where she is in the arrangement, how are you going to recover?

    Also, that's a lot of material to memorize. Most people would make their own charts if they were forced to play this sort of a gig. And, if errors creep in, it's a potential trainwreck. I think you'd have to transcribe all the changes from all her recordings. Otherwise, if you play the usual changes (and IRealPro has them, no problem there) but if you play IRealPro's version, you take a risk of throwing the singer off when she doesn't hear what she's expecting.

    Whole thing sounds like trouble.

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    Are you going to rehearse? How long do you have to prepare for this?
    i already backed out of one rehearsal a week ago because the singer confused me about wether i should commit to this set or not, then she offered to come and drive me to rehearsal together, i said i was busy and hung my les paul on the wall, now she wants to meet Sunday and i did not listen to anything for 3 days.

    im confident that i love jazz fusion guitar, come on, John Scolfield? Mike Stern?, Frank Gambali, Joe Pass, Martino etc, i love these players, i think im ready to invest 10 hours a day including buy a a nice 335., i wish i did this when i was younger because the way i think now as a producer and rock guitarists is probably mediocre to a jazz musician,

    example:, if there is a piece music that never had a guitar part or the parts are very complex for me to play, like a set of difficult chords, a transition or adding music to a accapela i would slow the track down and record myself playing to it,

    But i had no luck with Whisper not etc, i found a few videos on youtube now after 2 weeks...do you guys have recordings of guitars played to the originals vinals versions of these tracks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavriel
    changing the key is not the problem, its hearing totally different chords from the guitar chord chart i am seen., including odd timing.

    for example i have Whisper Not on jazz-ballad swing at 100bpm, the chords i hear the piano playing are not at all the same as the guitar, i tried Guitar Trio instead of jazz ballad swing and the guitars i hear are not at all playing those chords im seen...its hard to learn a while new genre when you cant even hear the right chords or exact chords in the chord charts.

    if you guys have iReal pro try it., compare it to the original track or a decent recording, on top of this iReal pro claims they can not allow lyrics because of copyrights...really? there i another program that is just a program which allows ne to import pdf and other format of music, no matter who wrote it.
    I have never heard of Jazz-Ballad Swing or Guitar Trio and have never used iReal or the Real Books, or lead sheets or charts, but I would suggest that lead sheets and charts are not meant to be authoritative, definitive, comprehensive, complete, or consistent with respect to corresponding song recordings. They are more like stick figures rather than photos or portraits, more like outlines, schematically simple like IKEA assembly instruction graphics, abbreviated bare form progressions, so only serving as the "same page" everyone is supposed to be on, but not meant to be taken literally as "the right chords or exact chords".

    I'm still confused... if she offed to drive you to rehearsal, that sounds like a band rather than a duo, which she could have done at your place. Is this thing a band or a duo? Not clear if you declined rehearsal because of a legit conflict or just put it off. What do you mean you didn't play your guitar for three days?

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    Do you know how to play the standard jazz guitar chord shapes, and the typical comping rhythms used? Do you realise that a jazz lead sheet or chord chart is just a skeleton, the player is expected to use their stylistic knowledge to flesh it out and sound right?

    If not, I think you are in over your head, frankly. People spend years learning how to do this stuff properly.

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    This is the chart for Whisper Not in iReal pro, these chord changes look and sound perfectly ok to me. I know how to play all these chords with suitable jazz voicings on the guitar. If you don’t already know how to do this, I think you will struggle.

    Given a set of standards to learn and I need help!-fb94b826-17f5-4c31-aa00-48dabf8d927f-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone Deaf Tony
    OP, do you hear song form in Key centres and Roman numerals? If so, you have a decent chance. If not, it's going to be a big shift from jazz fusion from a chart and these songs from a singer where you'll not just be expected to hit the chord, but voice in a way that makes her feel and sound good (think playing by ear while listening to her and not the chart). If you can't do that much for her, that's a lot of work for one gig; you probably won't get called back.
    Too, if you're reading a chart, it's hard to "lead and prep" the singer in an inspiring way. I've worked a lot with singers, some of whom would call a tune and start in a different key any given day. It was my job to prep each change with fragments, or turnarounds that announce shifts that the singer could ease into easily. If you're not on top of a key change, or modulation and you don't put up a gentle warning chord for the singer before you hit the bridge, and she misses the note, it'll be her fault for sure, but you'll get the blame...for sure.
    Excellent insight and advice!

    Having backed female singers, I would only add that you have to keep aware of their position on stage if they like to move around - if you are behind them and they wear high heels, watch out for your toes and cords!

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    By the way I listened to Anita O’Day’s version on YouTube, she is doing it in F minor so the chart for that would be as below. But do you even know what key your singer wants to do it in? Could be anything, singers will choose a key that suits their vocal range.

    Given a set of standards to learn and I need help!-b26d98fd-dd12-4bd8-b85f-21efd520abad-jpg

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    Hello, to answer the curious about this singer, its a band and she wants to meet together with or with out the band to start working and we cant do this in my place because of my kids are off from school.

    She gave me charts, they look identical to iReal or Fakebook charts, but we are talking about learning versions from a record sung by someone she likes,


    the first chart
    Given a set of standards to learn and I need help!-whiper-not-jpg

    second in another key
    Given a set of standards to learn and I need help!-whisper-not-i-jpgGiven a set of standards to learn and I need help!-whisper-not-ii-jpg
    the 3rd looks like a print out from ireal pro, its identical.
    Given a set of standards to learn and I need help!-whisper-not_resized-jpg


    What i think would speed up my situation is if i had guitar versions with exact chord charts for example the version of "whisper not" with Anita O'Day
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    so far the closest i found is this video
    , i played classical in the past so i picked up some allot from the video already, i can play this version along with the Anita O'Day recording but wish there where exact chord charts because i have to write them out myself, im surprised they are not ut there for this version but i understand that the jazz genre thrives from inversions.

    i hope this gives you guys an idea of how mediocre i am with learning songs , its like learning a Beatles tune from a record or tabs.


    so with all that said i tried setting up iREAL to sound as close as possible to the recorded versions of the songs the singer will be performing, the closest i got to "whisper not" with Anita O'Day was by using the "Jazz-Medium Swing" feel, i add a screenshot showing the other options.
    , Given a set of standards to learn and I need help!-2020-02-21-22-38-57-jpg


    as for understanding the drop chords, inversions and the great info on this site i need to invest more hours everyday and i will as i go,

    i also use several other OS X and ios apps that are sort of like the guitar grimoire, the apps help me get a birds eye view of the guitar neck, everything you can think of from scales, modes, chords arps etc etc the solution in the long run is hard work and i know it.

    i hope this post gives you guys a better idea of what's going on, it is trouble or a challenge which is how i see it, i think this will push me to play jazz like always wanted and enjoy what i can learn from this site and more.

    P.S. the chordify version starts with Gm7 not Fm7
    Whisper Not-Anita O'Day Chords - Chordify
    Last edited by Gavriel; 02-21-2020 at 07:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    By the way I listened to Anita O’Day’s version on YouTube, she is doing it in F minor so the chart for that would be as below. But do you even know what key your singer wants to do it in? Could be anything, singers will choose a key that suits their vocal range.
    yes, its the version we agreed to do, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone Deaf Tony
    A humorous aside here. Stan Getz worked with Astrid Gilberto and they were often at odds on and off stage. Stan would take a solo, take it into a different key, lead the band into the modulation then LEAVE IT THERE for Astrid's return. She'd come back in singing totally off key.
    Yes, he'd play behind her, aim the bell of his horn into her behind and let loose a resonant low Bb. She'd be singing into the mic and the audience would only hear her shriek.
    By the way, this not the way to support your singer!
    astrid couldn't have minded too badly...she left her husband joao after half dozen years marriage to be with getz!

    cheers

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    If you go to instrumental solo part, you will hear chords more clearly. That is what you should play all the way. Forget about "proper voicings", nobody* gives a shit about those, just stay (roughly) in same register (octave) as what is heard on record , get the feel of rhythm and stabs (nobody* expect it to be the copy of record) and kerp the thing going.

    *Nobody important, that is. Other musicians are not important. Should you feel like it, if they ask for something specific, you can yield to band members, for the sake of making (false) appearance of a considerate person.

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    So is every one of these chords foreign to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    So is every one of these chords foreign to you?
    no not at all, what's foreign is that there is not a single tab to a recorded version of a song...most of what i see out there for jazz is basically sheet charts, a skeleton version, this is for musicians only, its great but im looking at this set as songs, i more less want chord charts closest to the recorded version the singer will perform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavriel
    no not at all, what's foreign is that there is not a single tab to a recorded version of a song...most of what i see out there for jazz is basically sheet charts, a skeleton version, this is for musicians only, its great but im looking at this set as songs, i more less want chord charts closest to the recorded version the singer will perform.
    That just isn't how jazz works, that's why you're not finding it.

    Most of those recorded versions don't have guitar anyway.

    So this is a band situation, not a duo? Is there a piano player? That's a whole nuther can 'o worms to open...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    That just isn't how jazz works, that's why you're not finding it.

    Most of those recorded versions don't have guitar anyway.

    So this is a band situation, not a duo? Is there a piano player? That's a whole nuther can 'o worms to open...

    its what i have been saying and iam surprised no one put out a idiot proof method for hybrid musicians like myself who wants to learn guitar versions of specific recorded JAZZ standards with vocals the same way one would learn any song, maybe someone here can cash in on this.

    And i know that there are no guitar parts on most of these recordings the singer picked but i was hoping for a idiot proof step by step guitar chart slash even tab like version existed out there.

    the band will alter between 4 and 5 piece,
    3 piece is me, the singer and a pianist
    5 piece will include a bass player and drummer.
    Last edited by Gavriel; 02-22-2020 at 03:12 AM.

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    Well, you can play em like pop tunes, assuming everybody else is.

    So its assumed no leads for you, just backup? And there's a piano...ok.

    Here's the cliff notes version for you surviving this gig. On anything that swings, play 4 to the bar, fret the whole chord but really only play the 3rd and 4th string.

    The piano player will either dig or shoot eye daggers at you. If you get eye daggers, play a chord once every few bars, smile a lot, shake everybody's hand and make sure you get paid before you leave.

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    You can assume that the bass and piano will cover the root and the 5th, and probably the extensions. So all you need to do is play vanilla chords, and forget about the rest. If you can play major, minor, minor 7th, dominant 7th and diminished chords, that's enough. 3 or 4 note chords will get the job done. Don't worry about the rest. If you're the only instrument it's a whole 'nother ball of wax, but with a bass and piano it's a lot easier. You're part of the rhythm section, so as long as you have really good time, you'll be ok. You don't show much eagerness for this gig, what with refusing rehearsals, but that might be because of apprehension. I can understand that, but you have to s***t or get off the pot, to quote a standard phrase from down here. Rehearse or refuse the gig. And do it quickly, so they can find someone else if you don't want to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavriel
    hearing totally different chords from the guitar chord chart i am seen
    Perhaps you can edit the chord charts in iRP to suit the charts you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavriel
    its what ive been saying and i dont know why anyone has not offered dummy proof methods for hybrid musicians like myself who is at the moment trying to learn guitar parts of specific recorded JAZZ SONGS like one would learn pop songs.,

    And i know that there are no guitar parts on most of these recordings the singer picked but i was hoping for a idiot proof step by step guitar chart slash even tab like version existed out there.

    the band will alter between 4 and 5 piece,
    3 piece is me, the singer and a pianist
    5 piece will include a bass player and drummer.
    The answers you refuse to accept just raise more questions. But at this point I think your course of action depends on whether this is a one off gig for you, or if you would want to learn to play jazz playing with them ongoing and they would accept that - willing to make musical accommodations for you.

    If it's a one off gig for you, then you should decline immediately so they can find someone that plays jazz.

    If you are interested in learning to play jazz with them ongoing, you should rehearse with them immediately so they may decide whether to take you on and what adjustments would need to be made for you.

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    wow thanks for all the great advise!

    i will finger pick some fills and melodies along with the singer, its why she wants to meet alone at first,

    As for a leader of a group there is none besides the singer, she is like the rock star here, there are only two singers in the town where i am, both are very good,

    This singer is also a music teacher at a university, she told me that she can find over 10 drummers, 20 pianists and the lord only knows how many guitarists are out there roaming around and we are talking other teachers and students., i seen her perform several times and there where different musicians each time so she also does pop covers with one group, i jammed with her 5 months ago on several Sade songs and she liked the way i play., we sounded nice together, its why she proposed we try jazz standards and play shows together,

    She made it clear that we will work together on the set then bring others as we go to try out different people.

    so far i can pull it off like in this video
    Last edited by Gavriel; 02-22-2020 at 03:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavriel
    wow thanks for all the great advise!

    i will finger pick some fills and melodies along with the singer, its why she wants to meet alone at first,

    As for a leader of a group there is none besides the singer, she is like the rock star here, there are only two singers in the town where i am, both are very good,

    This singer is also a music teacher at a university, she told me that she can find over 10 drummers, 20 pianists and the lord only knows how many guitarists are out there roaming around and we are talking other teachers and students., i seen her perform several times and there where different musicians each time so she also does pop covers with one group, i jammed with her 5 months ago on several Sade songs and she liked the way i play., we sounded nice together, its why she proposed we try jazz standards and play shows together,

    She made it clear that we will work together on the set then bring others as we go to try out different people.

    so far i can pull it off like in this video
    So just move that to Fm? That's probably more than you're going to need/want to play.

    "Fingerpick some fills" okay, based off what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavriel;

    so far i can pull it off like in this video
    if that is you in the video ...
    you’re on it man !
    sounds great
    you’ll have no problem !

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    if that is you in the video ...
    you’re on it man !
    sounds great
    you’ll have no problem !
    I don’t think that video is the OP, the YouTube channel says it is jbernstein91, there is someone who posts here with that handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    I don’t think that video is the OP, the YouTube channel says it is jbernstein91, there is someone who posts here with that handle.
    yes ...if the OP could play like that .... he wouldn’t need the TABs ...

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    All the OP really seemed to be asking was if he could get tabs for the specific recordings his singer wanted to imitate.

    The answer, I think, is that tabs for jazz are a lot less prevalent than tabs for pop music. But, I seem to recall seeing, for example, some tabs for Sinatra recordings.

    And, we've all seen transcriptions of solos, chord melodies and, sometimes, (there's a current thread on here about Wes' changes for Body and Soul).

    But, not like pop, where you can get a tab for almost anything.

    Maybe, that's because pop usually has a definitive recording - usually the original. Jazz standards, not so much. In jazz standards the original recording's changes are often long abandoned. Everybody has their own take and only a few emerge to the point where a lot of players are interested in the details.

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    I have nothing to add to what has already been said, except that those are all great tunes. Best of luck with the gig!

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    All went well, i cant thank you all enough, i have more time now to sort out a daily routine, im gonna invest a few hours a day in scales, chords then work through the songs one by one., looking into this more as well.

    this site is seriously important to me now, gonna be checking more stuff out and read more through this thread, its been very hard to do all this on my ipad pro because iam using The 4g from my phone as a wifi hot spot and it cuts off, but ill be around day in day out now, thanks again!

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    That's great .... good man !

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    Glad things are working out for you, and welcome to the forum. Great folks here with great insights and lots of help to offer.

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    That's one good list of tunes !!!

    ' Doodlin' made me search for a fav from the old days !



    And if that singer is consistently getting work singing those songs good for her !!! And if she wants you around - I'd stay at it and good luck ! I am sure there are a lot worse gigs !!

    And welcome !

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    It's too late now but I think I'd have met up with the piano player to see what he was doing. Quick and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    It's too late now but I think I'd have met up with the piano player to see what he was doing. Quick and simple.
    Why would OP do that? To let piano player know how incompetent OP is, so to denounce OP to singing bush (nothing sexist, just a Three Amigos hint)?

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