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    I checked the net and chord book but can't find anything on it.

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    The Jazz Guitar Chord Dictionary
     
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    X Bb F Bb C F

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    Sus means suspended... the thing being suspended is the third (either major or minor third), and the way "suspended" is used here it means "moved or replaced" by something else... either the four or the two.

    If the third is moved up or replaced to be a four, it is sus4.
    If it is moved down or replaced to be a 2, it is sus2.

    Sus means there is no longer a third, it has been moved or replaced. Since sus chords don't have a third, they are not major or minor... this means you may use a sus version of a chord to replace either of its major or minor chord types. So if the chord is supposed to be A major you can play Asus2, if A minor you can play Asus2, and if you forget if the A chord is supposed to be major or minor you can always just play Asus2.

    Asus2 - x02200

    Bbsus2 - x13311

    Csus2 - x3x033

    Dsus2 - xx0230

    Esus2 - 024400 (slightly harder but worth it is 022452)

    Fsus2 - 1xx011 (may be easier x33011 and just play the C on the bottom if you want)

    Gsus2 - 3x023x
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    Thanks guys, much appreciated. Now I know the chord.
    But another question.
    If I use that chord , would an F bar chord sound out of place following it?

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    No, not at all.

    if Bbsus2 is a I chord then F is a V chord

    if Bbsus2 is a IV chord then F is a I chord

    Both extremely common root progressions. The sus2 does nothing to change this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bako View Post
    No, not at all.

    if Bbsus2 is a I chord then F is a V chord

    if Bbsus2 is a IV chord then F is a I chord

    Both extremely common root progressions. The sus2 does nothing to change this.
    Thanks bako
    The reason I asked this when I was playing the Bbsus2 at the 2nd fret (wrong fret position) and it sounded funny or out of place, then I went back to where the other poster had it on the first fret. Yes, funny indeed. But after getting it right, it sounded pretty cool.
    The chord progression I'm working on is this:

    C C Am Am
    C C Am Am
    Bbsus2 Bbsus2 F F
    C Bbsus2 F F

    Question now, for the Bbsus2 chord, what notes should I use to do a lead in, can I do "sliding" into them notes?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mississippi View Post
    Thanks bako
    The reason I asked this when I was playing the Bbsus2 at the 2nd fret (wrong fret position) and it sounded funny or out of place, then I went back to where the other poster had it on the first fret. Yes, funny indeed. But after getting it right, it sounded pretty cool.
    The chord progression I'm working on is this:

    C C Am Am
    C C Am Am
    Bbsus2 Bbsus2 F F
    C Bbsus2 F F

    Question now, for the Bbsus2 chord, what notes should I use to do a lead in, can I do "sliding" into them notes?
    When moving from Am to Bbsus2 you’re raising the root and fifth of the Am chord by 1 fret while the third stays where it is. There’s nothing wrong with sliding those notes. It can sound especially nice if you can make the chord change while sustaining the other note (C).

    Also, note that Bbsus2 has the same notes as Fsus4. When making that chord change only one note moves (Bb to A). If you can manage to slide that note down while sustaining the other two, go for it.

    Try playing that Bb as a major chord, then a minor. Sounds good as a major and bad as a minor. So I think of it as Bbmajor9 (since 9 is 2 raised an octave).
    Last edited by KirkP; 04-02-2019 at 04:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP View Post
    Try playing that Bb as a major chord, then a minor. Sounds good as a major and bad as a minor. So I think of it as Bbmajor9 (since 9 is 2 raised an octave).
    A variation on the sus2 chord is the add2, namely a sus2 including the third. This sounds cool in major or minor versions:

    Bb Major (add 2): xx3536
    Bb minor (add 2): xx3526
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    A variation on the sus2 chord is the add2, namely a sus2 including the third. This sounds cool in major or minor versions:

    Bb Major (add 2): xx3536
    Bb minor (add 2): xx3526
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    What tune is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Moo!
    Mu to you too! Did Fagen use minor add 2 chords, as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    A variation on the sus2 chord is the add2, namely a sus2 including the third. This sounds cool in major or minor versions:

    Bb Major (add 2): xx3536
    Bb minor (add 2): xx3526
    I should have said Major (add 2) instead of Major 9th in my previous post. I tend to think of them as interchangeable, but strictly speaking the latter adds a Major 7th. That added note seems to work in that progression though.

    These seem like chords from a folk or pop tune, but I’m just guessing. How I’d play them would depend on the melody, rhythm, etc.
    Last edited by KirkP; 04-02-2019 at 05:22 PM.

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    I know that no so long ago, all CCM songs seems to have sus2 chord in abundance. I don't know if that is still true, not my tribe
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    What tune is this?
    The reason I ask is that these are usually a particularly specific ACOUSTIC guitar type of VOICING - more than actual "chords". Most of the time, these may as well be add9 chords. It's simply suiting the limitations of voicing open chords on guitar
    Last edited by matt.guitarteacher; 04-03-2019 at 10:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    I know that no so long ago, all CCM songs seems to have sus2 chord in abundance. I don't know if that is still true, not my tribe
    Definitely still true.
    Shows up in rock, A LOT, which is why it is found in CCM.
    The aggravating thing is that many of the chord charts list these chords as "sus," with no number.
    There IS a difference, sus2 vs. sus4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP View Post
    When moving from Am to Bbsus2 you’re raising the root and fifth of the Am chord by 1 fret while the third stays where it is. There’s nothing wrong with sliding those notes. It can sound especially nice if you can make the chord change while sustaining the other note (C).

    Also, note that Bbsus2 has the same notes as Fsus4. When making that chord change only one note moves (Bb to A). If you can manage to slide that note down while sustaining the other two, go for it.

    Try playing that Bb as a major chord, then a minor. Sounds good as a major and bad as a minor. So I think of it as Bbmajor9 (since 9 is 2 raised an octave).
    OK, I'm going to try it and see how it sounds. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickbanks View Post
    Definitely still true.
    Shows up in rock, A LOT, which is why it is found in CCM.
    The aggravating thing is that many of the chord charts list these chords as "sus," with no number.
    There IS a difference, sus2 vs. sus4.
    Sus usually indicates sus4. Some theory folks nitpick and say that sus 4 are the only "real suspended" chords... It's a pretty easily understood shorthand though, especially useful in certain guitar music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    A variation on the sus2 chord is the add2, namely a sus2 including the third. This sounds cool in major or minor versions:

    Bb Major (add 2): xx3536
    Bb minor (add 2): xx3526
    I'm glad I posted this. Learning a lot from you guys.

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    Nice Bb add 2 voicing,

    X5856X, or 558565 gives you the maj 7th...sounds good either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dot75 View Post
    Nice Bb add 2 voicing,

    X5856X, or 558565 gives you the maj 7th...sounds good either way.
    Thanks, I'll try that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    Sus usually indicates sus4. Some theory folks nitpick and say that sus 4 are the only "real suspended" chords... It's a pretty easily understood shorthand though, especially useful in certain guitar music.
    OK, after experimenting a bit, the Bbsus2 chord with a melody chord note on it really brings out the chord.
    My question now from the theory point, does this enlighten the chord progression or is it just natural for it to sound "dominant". Don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    Sus usually indicates sus4. Some theory folks nitpick and say that sus 4 are the only "real suspended" chords... It's a pretty easily understood shorthand though, especially useful in certain guitar music.
    Well thanks matt. I got something soon to post that I recorded, but I might just send a pm to those that posted on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mississippi View Post
    OK, after experimenting a bit, the Bbsus2 chord with a melody chord note on it really brings out the chord.
    My question now from the theory point, does this enlighten the chord progression or is it just natural for it to sound "dominant". Don't know.
    What do you mean by enlighten?

    To me, a sus2 is an alternative to a major triad. Are major triads tonic, dominant or subdominant? Yes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles View Post
    What do you mean by enlighten?

    To me, a sus2 is an alternative to a major triad. Are major triads tonic, dominant or subdominant? Yes!
    Thanks for your explanation BDLH.
    What I was more or less saying is the the chord tone note of Bb gives it a more powerful balance when throwing in a lead melody at the same time.
    I got the recording done now and I'll send it to you with an explanation.
    Again , thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    What tune is this?
    It's not really a tune at all. It's just a chord progression I came across and found it interesting and wanted to do something with it. Experiment with it.