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    Edit, March 2016: I rec'd a message from a fellow forum member that the mp3's had disappeared from my posts in this thread. Many (all? I don't know) of them can be found here: https://app.box.com/s/wzeagt2g3ubvo90dwnf75sdiyu0p3gfj

    Rob has already done videos for this book so I'm not sure mine will add much. But I did want to record my way through the book.

    I am adding mp3 backing tracks for the exercises. I'm using the lesson number followed by a exercise number so 2.1 means lesson 2 exercise 1. The backing tracks are at the bottom of this post.

    So here I go, feel free to join in if you want. I think this will take me a while.

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    Thanks Fep, much appreciated. Love the backing track.
    "If I don't practice for a day, I know it... for two days, the critics know it... three days, the public knows it." -- Louis Armstrong

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    Hey fep,

    You do so much for this forum Thanks for sharing and leading the way.
    Find your passion and be hardcore about it.
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    Hi Guys, Thanks for joining in.

    I just figured out it would be much quicker for me to make one BIAB backing track for a whole lesson instead of doing separate ones for each exercise and splicing them together. So just one backing track for the whole lesson. Each exercise is separated by two measures of drums only, the backing track runs through the whole page twice (the video just once).

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    Hey, fep I think this is definitely a better way to do it. How do you create these backing tracks with BIAB, especially with that trumpet solo in one of them. When I try to create backing track with BIAB they sound so lifeless.
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    Hey Smokin, What version of BIAB do you have?

    I have BIAB 2011. Those backing tracks are all done with the "realtracks". I like them so much better than the midi tracks. (However in the 2012 version there is something called "super midi tracks" which are midi played in by musicians so they are not robotic like programed midi. I'm haven't heard or worked with those.)
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    Mickey Bakers 1st chord is G:

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    I'm often going to play it like this:

    3x543x

    It voice leads to his other voicings better.


    On the backing track for this one I put two measure fillers at the end of staves, 1 , 2, 3, 4, 6.

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    Mickey Baker Course 1, mp3's and videos-lesson-5-jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Hey Smokin, What version of BIAB do you have?

    I have BIAB 2011. Those backing tracks are all done with the "realtracks". I like them so much better than the midi tracks. (However in the 2012 version there is something called "super midi tracks" which are midi played in by musicians so they are not robotic like programed midi. I'm haven't heard or worked with those.)
    Hey, Fep I have BIAB 2010. I also have a program that came with BIAB 2010 called realband which feature real tracks. This program was released by the same company that design BIAB. My problem with this program is I've never figured how to get the damn thing working. Do you know about this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokinguit View Post
    Hey, Fep I have BIAB 2010. I also have a program that came with BIAB 2010 called realband which feature real tracks. This program was released by the same company that design BIAB. My problem with this program is I've never figured how to get the damn thing working. Do you know about this?
    You know, I was thinking, it's not just that I have 2011, I have the ultrapluspak that came with all the realtracks at that time. I think they include a few realtrack styles in all versions as a tease. Try to find one and use that just to check out the quality.

    The realtracks are separate from the realband software. I tried the realband software for maybe 30 minutes several years ago to see what it was about. It's a DAW software with an extra feature of importing realtracks into songs or sections of songs. That extra feature is cool.

    Since I have a DAW software I already like to use, I haven't been using the Realband software and am unfamiliar with the details of how to use it.
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    Backing track for lesson 5 is below (it's Lesson 4 but in Bb)

    Lesson 5 instructed us to take Lesson 4 and transpose it to Ab F & Bb. Here it is in Bb:



    And Lesson 6

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    Thanks for sharing! Such videos and mp3s are extremely valuable, I often refer to the similar threads for Leavitt's MMFG, they help tremendously.

    One thing that also helps me for M.B.'s method is to write down transpositions and ideas in a notebook. It's also a great tool to get a better picture of what's going on (imho).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aant View Post
    Thanks for sharing! Such videos and mp3s are extremely valuable, I often refer to the similar threads for Leavitt's MMFG, they help tremendously.

    One thing that also helps me for M.B.'s method is to write down transpositions and ideas in a notebook. It's also a great tool to get a better picture of what's going on (imho).
    Hi Aunt, It's good to see you posting here, thanks for checking in.

    Cool, if it works for you, go for it. After all that is what M.B. recommended. It's a journey of discovery, isn't it? One needs to find what works for them.

    Looking ahead, lesson 17... for me that's when the rubber hits the road. That is where I'll get into doing some analysis of what Mickey is teaching and apply it to some jazz standards. I hope you'll stick around until then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Hi Aunt, It's good to see you posting here, thanks for checking in.

    Cool, if it works for you, go for it. After all that is what M.B. recommended. It's a journey of discovery, isn't it? One needs to find what works for them.

    Looking ahead, lesson 17... for me that's when the rubber hits the road. That is where I'll get into doing some analysis of what Mickey is teaching and apply it to some jazz standards. I hope you'll stick around until then.
    So do I! I'm really enjoying the method so far and intend to finish it to finally be able to play some jazz. Recording and posting sounds is another story, with a full time job this process becomes very time consuming.

    I can't wait till lesson 17, but my pace is kind of slow - which is ok, that journey into jazz guitar is endless anyway, isn't it?

    Looking forward to watching more of your great videos,

    Aant

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    I wrote up a few examples that I made up as instructed in lesson 7:


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    As the part of the exercise of making up our own, I did the 3rd exercise again but with a bossa rhythm.

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    Thanks, Fep!
    I've been playing some of his 'solo' exercises lately as part of my daily warm-ups. It's time to go back through the chord lessons and pick up what I missed the last time 'round. Thanks for the inspiration.
    "Learn the repertoire. It’s all in the songs. If you learn 200 songs, you will have no problem improvising."
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    Kojo, at this point in the method use the same chord forms throughout the playable range of your particular guitar. I think it's fine to jump down towards the nut if you have to. There is indeed value in trying to play these chords way up the neck but there are certainly limits of what's possible, and as you've observed, that depends on the guitar.

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    Mickey introduces new chord forms later in the book in order to help transposing and finding playable "chord patterns" anywhere on the guitar. IMO, the most valuable part of the entire method, at least the chord part, is that later on one really gets to understand, in practical hands-on terms, the value of drilling all these chord forms and patterns all over the neck.

    For instance, If you've been following along you've no doubt played the Maj7 -- Maj6 pattern (I think chords 2 and 3) e.g. G Maj7 3x443x and G6 3x243x all up and down the neck. Later on new voicings for these chords are introduced with the root on the 5th string, etc.

    The *concept* of taking a simple chord pattern and finding different parts of the guitar to play it, then drilling the hell out of those is really the heart and soul of the method... Not necessarily the actual chords and patterns he chose for his method (though those are fine for now), but the *process* of learning and ingraining them and the general sense of direction the book provides.

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    On this one I tried the Victor Wooten metronome suggestion (not completely successfully). This is where you give yourself less and less metronome so you eventually have to be responsible for the good time.

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    This is great! Thanks for helping us work through Mickey's book.

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    Hi Dijos, I'm glad you're finding these useful.

    Ch 10 - I have nothing to add. He talks about using these chords as extensions or substitutions for other chords. Just read what he has to say.

    Ch 11 - Here he shows the chords actually being used as substitutions.

    I recorded this with the backing tracks playing the "Standard" chords. For each section of proceeding first down and then across. This is a little ragged which just goes to show I need more practice. That's a little discovery, 1) I've been practicing single lines more than chord changes and 2) some of these chords I seldom use.

    Backing track is attached at the bottom of this post.

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    I was playing around with the idea of creating licks following some of Mickey's chord substitution. This can lead to some lines one might not normally think of.

    Here's an example of a line over C to G7. Observe how the line just uses the notes of the chords (except for the 4th note the D).



    Here's what it sounds like. The first two times are over just the C to G7. The second two times the backing track plays the sub chords, C Em7 Ebm7 Dm7 G13.


    Backing track down below
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    Just another chime of appreciation, Frank - for all the extra Internet material you're making available to users of Mickey Baker's Complete Course in Jazz Guitar. Now essential, I'd think.

    Loren

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    Hi Loren, Thanks for checking it out...
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    Chords Mickey should have included, imo:
    Attached Images Attached Images Mickey Baker Course 1, mp3's and videos-mickey-baker-extra-chords-jpg 
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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Chords that Mickey Should have included in his book
    Good evening, Frank...

    Thanks very much for laying these out in this way; very classy (and very useful...).
    Good work; much appreciated.
    Have a nice day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dad3353 View Post
    Good evening, Frank...

    Thanks very much for laying these out in this way; very classy (and very useful...).
    Good work; much appreciated.
    Your welcome, I'm glad you are finding this useful. I just remembered to add a pdf to my previous post. You could print that out and put in your Mickey Baker book if you're so inclined.
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    Have a nice day

    Dad3353 (Douglas...)

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    Frank,

    I'm reviewing Baker's "riffs" and "runs" right now, and as with the chord section, there are mistakes. Has anyone, to your knowledge, put together an "errata sheet" for this popular book? If not, it would be beneficial to very gradually compile a .pdf and post it somewhere, tagged with plenty Google words.

    For example, there's a mistake in the very first diminished run he presents. Page 30, Ex 24. The fingering should be "4 1 3 4" and not "4 1 2 4," as he writes it.

    You seem to have a knack for organizing such projects - so, just a thought. I'll help any way I can, of course. I'll proof the second half as I go through, for one thing.

    Loren

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojo27 View Post
    Frank,

    Has anyone, to your knowledge, put together an "errata sheet" for this popular book?
    The only one I'm aware of is in post #281


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    I have this book. Your example should read Lesson 30, Ex. 24

    Earl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl View Post
    I have this book. Your example should read Lesson 30, Ex. 24

    Earl
    Right. Page 32, Lesson 30, Ex 24


    Thank you, sir. : )

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    Hi all,

    I wanted to add a few more chords that I think we need. I updated post #27 and attached a new .pdf that includes these additional chords.
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    I've been wanting to apply what we are learning to some tunes so here we go.

    The chords are from the Mickey Baker book Lesson 1 plus the chords I added at post #27. There are three choruses, each with more chord changes than the previous.

    There is a backing track and a .pdf of the changes at the bottom of this post.

    https://app.box.com/s/lyk6bj1meyrgwa1mkb0k5mb8t999om8l




    Here's a sample of what the .pdf looks like, just the first bit:
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    My hat is duly doffed, sir. Warm thanks.
    Have a nice day

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    Lesson 12. I'll just restate what Mickey wrote in perhaps and easier to understand and more concise way... When you have a dominant chord, try turning that one chord into 2 chords, a ii V of some sort.

    Lesson 13: Mickey asked us to also try these vamps with the bass style and arpeggio styles from lesson 8. I mixed those in. The arpeggio style was the challenge for me. Since this is a swing you need to swing the arpeggio. Sometimes there are five note chords but only 4 eighth notes to play them in, so when doing the arpeggio you have to decide which notes to play. Sometimes I played two notes on the last eighth note.

    Backing track attached.

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    So, is this thead dead? I hope it isn't, I'll soon reach lesson 14...

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    I have just found this and hats of to you for putting the vids together. I have finally got hold of a copy of mickey's book and will now begin my journey. I do hope you will continue putting the remaining lessons to vid as this is such a valueable guide to all of us jazz guitar player wannabes. Cheers and much appreciated

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    I hope to get along with this as well..

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    Chord #29 is giving me a bit of trouble. I'll have to try to start using it so my fingers can get use to it.

    I'll be working on the transposing, you should too. I've attached the mp3 backing track I made with BIAB.

    Each example takes the repeat as indicated on page 14. The first repeat I play as written, the second repeat I change the rhythm (four to the bar except on the 2nd stave where I do a different rhythm that came to me)

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    Hi,

    Sorry to revive this older thread, but I was thinking I might begin working through the Mickey Baker book and found these great videos (as well as Rob MacKillop's). One question - are the BIAB files (not the MP3 backing tracks from those files) available anywhere? Would this include the soloist option similar to the trumpet playing in the video several posts up? It think having these files would greatly help the learning process.

    Thanks!!

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    @bharris22

    No problem reviving this thread.

    I'm not aware of anyone who has put out BIAB files for Mickey Baker. I hadn't thought of that. It's a good idea.

    I hope to continue this project at some future date and when I do I'll attach BIAB files.
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    OK - thanks!

    One question additional question, please - could you tell me what style and settings you used for the backing track in Exercise 13 above?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Your welcome, I'm glad you are finding this useful. I just remembered to add a pdf to my previous post. You could print that out and put in your Mickey Baker book if you're so inclined.
    Done and done. Thanks for this thread Frank, I missed this, so I'll be spending some time absorbing this stuff.

    Rob

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    I pretty much gave up guitar playing for a while. Trying to get back to it. So, back to this Mickey Baker thread, this gives me a project to work on.

    Here is Mickey Baker's lesson #15... I played each line twice, the backing track is that way too.

    Some notes on his lesson; 1) On the 3rd stave, measure 4, the chords should be Emi7 A13 (not Ami7 A13), 2) on the 5th stave, measure 2, the chords should be Gmi7 C7#5b9 (not Gmi7 C13#5b9)

    Backing track attached.

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    Frank, good to see you back. Nice guitar - what is it?

    Good backing track too.

    I disagree about the Am7 in bar 4 being a mistake. He could easily have written a repeat sign, as he does elsewhere, if that is what he wanted. It sounds fine to my ears as a parallel harmonic substitution for two beats, resolving to the A13...But I won't lose sleep if you insist otherwise

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    Hi Frank,

    Glad to see you're back at this and playing again, and thanks for the new lesson. Is it possible for you to post the backing tracks you have used thus far in BIAB format? If not, could you please let us know the style and settings you used for these?

    Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop View Post
    Frank, good to see you back. Nice guitar - what is it?

    Good backing track too.

    I disagree about the Am7 in bar 4 being a mistake. He could easily have written a repeat sign, as he does elsewhere, if that is what he wanted. It sounds fine to my ears as a parallel harmonic substitution for two beats, resolving to the A13...But I won't lose sleep if you insist otherwise
    Thanks for checking in Rob. That is an Eastman Guitar (503ce I think, I'm at work and don't have access to it right now).

    I won't disagree with that, instead I'll just say... either one of use could be right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bharris22 View Post
    Hi Frank,

    Glad to see you're back at this and playing again, and thanks for the new lesson. Is it possible for you to post the backing tracks you have used thus far in BIAB format? If not, could you please let us know the style and settings you used for these?

    Thanks!!
    That is a good idea. I tried to upload the BIAB file this time, those file types aren't allowed on this forum so it wouldn't upload.

    I just put up some at my box.com box. This is all I could find, I must have wrote over some of them or something. Let me know if there are any problems with them. Overtime I'll try to get everything I do on this project (except the videos) in this folder.

    https://app.box.com/s/wzeagt2g3ubvo90dwnf75sdiyu0p3gfj
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