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I just started lesson 4 this week. I have a little bit of a beef with the last exercise which is the only two line exercise in the lesson and just happens to spill over to the next page. Oh, well. I should be scribing this all to a piece of notation paper anyway!
A quick question: Does anyone have a breakdown of what song examples use the "Standard" lines that we are supposed to be subbing the "New" lines for?
~DB
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08-31-2010 09:59 AM
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The truth is even though I made it through the whole book, I'm still going back and going over past lessons.
There's a lot of stuff in there that makes much more sense once you've gone over it and applied it to actual playing.Last edited by Drumbler; 08-31-2010 at 10:03 AM.
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You'll find those chord sequences in just about every jazz standard out there.
Originally Posted by lindydanny
2-5-1 is in every song:
[Dm] - [G7 ] - [Cmajor] - [%] = [Dm7 - Dm6] - [Dm7 - G13] - [CM7 - Ebm7] - [Dm7 - G13]Last edited by Drumbler; 08-31-2010 at 10:14 AM.
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lindydanny... Originally Posted by lindydanny
You might like to look at the Vanilla Book, wonderfully put into 'web' format by Ralph Patt...
Ralph Patt's Jazz Web Page
...which I find very useful for answering just that question. The Real Books have, for the most part, the subs already in place; the Vanilla Book shows only the base chords, it's up to you to sub as required.
There is, on Ralph's site, a very useful index to 'Tonal Centres', which 'finds' in the tunes the particular shift interesting us, and shows where they are in the tune. For instance, for...
I - IIm7 - IIIm7 - IIm7
... we find...
Foggy Day, IT MIGHT AS WELL BE SPRING...
...for ...
I - IIm7 - IIIm7 - bIIIdim
... we get ...
I COVER THE WATERFRONT, STARS FELL ON ALABAMA
...and so on. The matching passages are high-lit in Yellow, putting the passage in context.
Try it, it may help make more 'sense' when applying the MB substitutions.
Hope this helps (and thanks awefully, Ralph Patt...)
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Thanks for pointing that out. That's a great resource! Originally Posted by Dad3353
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Yeah, thanks for the link to Vanilla Book.
~DB
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Do you have a link to the "Swingin' Jazz Guitar" book by Alfred? Is it: Amazon.com: Just for Fun: Swingin' Jazz Guitar (9780739064689): Alfred Publishing Staff: Books ? Originally Posted by Hernandinho
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Good point; I think I'll go through the songs in the easier book first; then I will go for the Real Book. Originally Posted by Papadoc
Also there is the issue of the Real Book tunes being already re-harmonized. I'm sure figuring out the Vanilla chords for the tunes (either by myself or by comparing the Real and Vanilla books) will be yet another interesting challenge.
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Yes, I just ordered it the other day, thanks Originally Posted by Stylemaster
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I haven't read through pages 3, 4 and 5 of this thread so I'm not sure if someone's already said what I'm about to say (I have seen Michael Joyce's reply though mine will be a little more direct). Originally Posted by DennisW
Basically, this is a classic iii for I substitution. The Gdim was just adding some sense of "movement" to the classic G | G | Am | D7 progression (i.e. I | I | ii | V). Check out the tune "It's Only a Paper Moon" - it uses the G | Gdim | Am | D7 progression too, and again I think the Gdim is just acting as a spiced-up version of G.
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Well I just received Mickey's Book 1 along with Ted Greene's Modern Chord Progressions in the mail yesterday and read through the introductions to both (not much intro in Mickey's book though). My initial thought on Book 1 is that I surely will need to get plugged into the related web site that has been mentioned earlier in this thread. My thought on Ted's book is two fold: 1) "holy cow" look at all those chord diagrams...I know we eat an elephant one bite at a time but this is a heard and I only have a toothpick! 2) very disappointed when I read "the progressions in this book were geared to be played without a flat pick".
Time for a refund. I have tried finger picking which is why I use a pick. Are there any chord progression books out there that are geared to flat picking?
Thanks for the forum...I'll be asking questions I'm sure as I labor through.
Tom
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Hi, Originally Posted by TJLewis
Well I just received Mickey's Book 1 along with Ted Greene's Modern Chord Progressions in the mail yesterday and read through the introductions to both (not much intro in Mickey's book though). My initial thought on Book 1 is that I surely will need to get plugged into the related web site that has been mentioned earlier in this thread. My thought on Ted's book is two fold: 1) "holy cow" look at all those chord diagrams...I know we eat an elephant one bite at a time but this is a heard and I only have a toothpick! 2) very disappointed when I read "the progressions in this book were geared to be played without a flat pick". Time for a refund. I have tried finger picking which is why I use a pick. Are there any chord progression books out there that are geared to flat picking?
Thanks for the forum...I'll be asking questions I'm sure as I labor through.
Tom
I went through Mickey Baker's book decades ago. I especially like the moveability and voicings. I use it a lot on Bossa Nova and find it very easy to apply my own altered chords. I always liked the 1642 grip anyway. The web site using Telview is OK, but I find that the book itself was all I needed and already had before the site was started. Follow the book and you can't go wrong IMHO. Good Luck!
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I've had Mickey Baker's book for somewhere between 30-40 years and I still haven't gotten past lesson 2. I'm pathetic. I subscribe to this great thread and I still can't get it together to commit to this. However, I also bought another book a long time ago that I also saw mentioned on this thread that would be perfect for you (and me if I'd bother to open it). It's "Jazz Rhythm Guitar - A systematic Approach to Chord Progressions" by Roger Edison published by Alfred. I just did a search and found it's out of print but you can buy a used one on Amazon for $9.50. Originally Posted by TJLewis
Well I just received Mickey's Book 1 along with Ted Greene's Modern Chord Progressions in the mail yesterday and read through the introductions to both (not much intro in Mickey's book though). My initial thought on Book 1 is that I surely will need to get plugged into the related web site that has been mentioned earlier in this thread. My thought on Ted's book is two fold: 1) "holy cow" look at all those chord diagrams...I know we eat an elephant one bite at a time but this is a heard and I only have a toothpick! 2) very disappointed when I read "the progressions in this book were geared to be played without a flat pick". Time for a refund. I have tried finger picking which is why I use a pick. Are there any chord progression books out there that are geared to flat picking?
Thanks for the forum...I'll be asking questions I'm sure as I labor through.
Tom
There's also a thread on here: Roger Edison Jazz Rhythm Guitar - Help
Let me know what you think. Maybe it will help me get off my arse and do something.
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Typo.....Should be 6432 grip...DUH!!! Originally Posted by pauljoey
Hi,
I went through Mickey Baker's book decades ago. I especially like the moveability and voicings. I use it a lot on Bossa Nova and find it very easy to apply my own altered chords. I always liked the 1642 grip anyway. The web site using Telview is OK, but I find that the book itself was all I needed and already had before the site was started. Follow the book and you can't go wrong IMHO. Good Luck!
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TJ,
As it has been stated before, take it one lesson a week. Obviously, you can probably get by with skipping to lesson two in MB's book for the first week, but keep putting your fingers around those chords on that sheet every week!!! Eventually, they will catch up with you.
I'm up to lesson 6 and the chords used there for chord melody are killing me. I didn't keep my fingers around the chords in the first lesson throughout and now I am paying the price.
~DB
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A lot of Ted's chords can be played with a flat pick, or with a combination of pick and fingers (hybrid). Originally Posted by TJLewis
Well I just received Mickey's Book 1 along with Ted Greene's Modern Chord Progressions in the mail yesterday and read through the introductions to both (not much intro in Mickey's book though). My initial thought on Book 1 is that I surely will need to get plugged into the related web site that has been mentioned earlier in this thread. My thought on Ted's book is two fold: 1) "holy cow" look at all those chord diagrams...I know we eat an elephant one bite at a time but this is a heard and I only have a toothpick! 2) very disappointed when I read "the progressions in this book were geared to be played without a flat pick". Time for a refund. I have tried finger picking which is why I use a pick. Are there any chord progression books out there that are geared to flat picking?
Thanks for the forum...I'll be asking questions I'm sure as I labor through.
Tom
The best advice anyone can give you for getting into Ted's stuff is this: click here!
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Giving up on Ted's material would be doing yyourself a major disservice. Ted is one of the greatest teachers of all time, and if you stick with it you can learn the material in his books. Think about it this way, if you are able to pick up one thing, one new chord voicing, one new technique than your efforts are worth it! I have three of Ted's books (Chord Chemistry, Modern Chord Progressions, and Single Note Soloing Vol1) I know they seem like a lot (Because they are) but the work you put in there will be well worth it!!!
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My suggestion with the Baker book is to have a few standards that you are familiar with the tune of and relate the lessons to the songs. I know he has those rote-learning things like "Gma7 Gma6 Am7 Am6, then Abma7 Abma6.......etc" A song like Out of Nowhere, or I'm Confessin', or Aint Misbehavin' will incorporate all those changes and can be played with the first half-page of chords.
I just find that a more interesting way to learn. There are others which can produce a pretty good chord melody with even the most basic Mickey chrods: Darn that Dream, As Time goes By, Do nothin' till you hear from me. I'm beginning to see the Light.
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Thanks guys for the helpful info and personal experiences. Wish I had seen Edison's book sooner...downloaded a handful of initial pages to go through. Thanks again...I'll be keeping up with the forum.
Tom
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I confirm two points.
*the book Jazz Rhythm Guitar - A systematic Approach to Chord Progressions" by Roger Edison is a great book.
*The lesson 6 is terrible .
I can play the sequences, but I just can memorize them all.
Personnally, I am stuck on the lesson 10, just because I don't practise enough with the method. I also have fun doing some improvisation with pentatonic scales with blues backtracks and my looper JM4.
Blues is also Jazz after all !
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I'm downloading it and priniting it off as we speak. It would be great if it came with a cd to hear the progressions etc. I'm going on the search for Mickey's course now that I've got my credit card sorted out Originally Posted by manu68
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I concur. It doesn't help that I'm on hold with playing for house repairs and for a bluegrass jam weekend coming up! Originally Posted by manu68
~DB
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Worry not, lads-it becomes easy. You're just learning the chords, getting those shapes into your fingers,remember? When you go back over this in a few weeks time you'll say "Man-can't believe I strugggled with this". Keep at it. Originally Posted by lindydanny
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That's how I feel about lesson two now!!!
~DB
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New here...glad I found this place!
Started on Mickey's book 1 a couple of months ago...I am going through the book all the way first (currently at Lesson 39) to get the idea and practice reading, and now I am going back and starting the 'homework' (I have the transpositions done for Lesson 5, and finishing Lesson 6)...but, I had a question:
Everything makes sense in the book so far except, does anyone know why he would have us know the examples in Lesson 4 "by heart"? (I understand memorizing the melodic chord examples, chord substitution theory, and the runs and riffs in later Lessons, and sight reading the chords are not a problem)...just curious on this Lesson...
By the way, I took private lessons from a teacher once, I asked him to teach me Jazz Harmony and he taught me a bunch of songs, but I never learned the harmony. This book is exactly what I wanted to learn--the chord subs, the run motifs--I am really happy with this find. Finally learning Jazz! (beyond just running modes over chords)...
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