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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Maybe another record your way through the book study group?
    I'm in Fep. I wonder if other members would participate in something like this?

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    I'm sure you could get a quorum. I'm out, though. I know when I'm beat. And I like cherries far too much.

    best of luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ten left thumbs View Post
    I'm sure you could get a quorum. I'm out, though. I know when I'm beat. And I like cherries far too much.

    best of luck!
    I'm not sure I'd want to take it on before we finish The Modern Method for Guitar Vol. 1. I'd hate to have folks lose interest in that thread. I never finish method books, and I'm really trying to change that.

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    roger that

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    then there's volume 2.

    But mikey has his own following, and I'm sure there's plenty to be learned from it. I just know I'm not up for it. Having tried.
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    Mickey Baker's Wiki page is interesting:

    Mickey Baker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuff Said View Post
    Mickey Baker's Wiki page is interesting:

    Mickey Baker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nuff
    Yes, it is. I like this quote:

    "At nineteen, Baker decided to make a change in his life. He went back to dishwashing, and was determined to become a jazz musician."

    Very smart move - you can actually make a living at dishwashing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Maybe another record your way through the book study group?
    A study group can run different ways. The MM one works through people starting together and working at a given speed - at least nominally that's how it works, with different threads for each set of pages.

    But, one could have a single thread, where people working at different stages, different starting points, different speeds, still post recordings, encourage and support each other. I belong to such a group here (Join the JOI jazz joint ! - Piano World Piano & Digital Piano Forums) and it works well. We're now about two years on from the start, over 2000 replies (75 pages) and going strong. If you're all singing from the same hymn-sheet, there will be cohesion, in this case, you have the same book to unite you.

    Just a thought.
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    I'd also be interested in a study group.

    I have started going through the book (and the amazing website mentioned above, thanks again) several times now, but got discouraged every time, due to severe incompetence, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markerhodes View Post
    ---he wrote long before play-along recordings, much less BiaB. Heck, when he wrote, cassette recorders were probably pricey.
    When Mickey wrote this (1955), 1/4" reel-to-reel tape was all that was available. Cassette recorders hadn't been invented yet.

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    Hello all - very happy to discover this thread, and am very interested in the study group. Peer pressure works!

    I'm a guitarist with 19 years of playing, but not a lot of jazz. Have squeezed far too many solos out of standard blues pentatonics over the years so I'm going back to humble student mode for a while. I have my copy of Micky Baker 1 and am suitably depressed by the shapes of the chords to fit right in with the forum members here.

    I have several guitars, but the jazz one is an Ibanez Artcore 105. In a few weeks my wife and I are travelling to the USA (Florida) for honeymoon and I'd like to pick up a Gibson ES137 (Custom) while there. If any members can recommend good shops in Miami / Orlando / Ft. Lauderdale that'd be great.

    Look forward to developing my jazz skills alongside you all, and best of luck to everyone with their playing.

    Joel (Argentina)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowshipslinky View Post
    Hello all - very happy to discover this thread, and am very interested in the study group. Peer pressure works!

    I'm a guitarist with 19 years of playing, but not a lot of jazz. Have squeezed far too many solos out of standard blues pentatonics over the years so I'm going back to humble student mode for a while. I have my copy of Micky Baker 1 and am suitably depressed by the shapes of the chords to fit right in with the forum members here.

    I have several guitars, but the jazz one is an Ibanez Artcore 105. In a few weeks my wife and I are travelling to the USA (Florida) for honeymoon and I'd like to pick up a Gibson ES137 (Custom) while there. If any members can recommend good shops in Miami / Orlando / Ft. Lauderdale that'd be great.

    Look forward to developing my jazz skills alongside you all, and best of luck to everyone with their playing.

    Joel (Argentina)
    Maybe you need to work on your jazz skills but you sure have good English skills. I wish I could write that well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ten left thumbs View Post
    A study group can run different ways. The MM one works through people starting together and working at a given speed - at least nominally that's how it works, with different threads for each set of pages.

    But, one could have a single thread, where people working at different stages, different starting points, different speeds, still post recordings, encourage and support each other. I belong to such a group here (Join the JOI jazz joint ! - Piano World Piano & Digital Piano Forums) and it works well. We're now about two years on from the start, over 2000 replies (75 pages) and going strong. If you're all singing from the same hymn-sheet, there will be cohesion, in this case, you have the same book to unite you.

    Just a thought.
    Hey 10 Thumbs:

    I've posted on that thread as well, a couple of years back. I've been considering re-visiting the whole JoI thing (with piano, not necessarily guitar) in a month or so after I get out of school - one of the things I want to be able to do in a few years is to comp and improvise capably on the piano so I can sit in on jam sessions around town. Have you worked directly with Dave Frank, or are you just using the thread for your assistance? I've considered becoming a Skype student or Mr. Frank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatJeff View Post
    Hey 10 Thumbs:

    I've posted on that thread as well, a couple of years back. I've been considering re-visiting the whole JoI thing (with piano, not necessarily guitar) in a month or so after I get out of school - one of the things I want to be able to do in a few years is to comp and improvise capably on the piano so I can sit in on jam sessions around town. Have you worked directly with Dave Frank, or are you just using the thread for your assistance? I've considered becoming a Skype student or Mr. Frank.
    Hi Jeff, Dave is busy but he does look in on the thread from time to time and keeps an eye on us. We have on occasions had 'intergalactic masterclasses' with him altogether on skype conference or googleplus. (By the time we work out the time zones it does feel intergalactic.) He is an excellent teacher.

    So the JOI 'method' assumes about grade 3 skills at piano and takes it from there. The book teaches the underlying skills for improvisation, but doesn't give any guidance in improvisation or comping themselves. For that I take guidance from the students ahead of me in the process, one of whom is a student of Dave's. So I basically get Dave's system for free. There is a step by step system and you can't miss or rush a step.

    Happy to chat more, here or privately if you prefer.
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    I did go through the first 3 or 4 lessons on guitar, and I liked it - but at the time I was taking private lessons through school and had to drop it, just from a time perspective. Maybe a fun thing for me to do would be to do the lessons on both guitar and piano at the same time!

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    I did try the first lesson on guitar, but it was just too difficult for me. One day I'll go back and try again. I really wanted a bit more spoonfeeding with guitar - maybe not tab, but at least a nudge in the right direction with the chords.

    So the point with the lessons is to sing while you play, and see it as your job to internalise the line, be able to sing it acapella. And not to neglect the 'singing with solo' which is a really important part of the process.

    So I could probably do the singing part fairly well on guitar - as long as I didn't need to play!

    Anyway, if you want to come back to it, you know where to find us.
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    Yep, won't be too long - one of the things that my instructor at school was always hammering for me to do (and which I never did) was to play the lines as I sing. It will be one of my main focuses now.

    I can still scat the solo to Struttin' With Some BBQ!

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    Hi all, first post on this forum and like many I am delighted to find a continued interest in MB's awesome intro to jazz guitar. I came across it at a jumble sale some 30 years ago and it was an old copy then! I have always had a great fondness for the publication as it has always evoked a warm and comforting feeling when going to it. (If that makes sense) as it reminds me of the excitement one gets when discovering something for the first time.

    At first I did "cherry pick" alot of the lessons and still learnt a great deal from it, in fact this books content is responsible for my learning to read music. After spending years fumbling around with scales and modes and a whole load of other stuff (which can be useful in theoretical guidance) a recent return to this book has once again rejuvenated my appetite for effective and attainable bop material.
    I have not had time to read through much of the posts on this thread but would only like to add that, the book, if kept as a source of information and logical practice, will certainly steer any person keen on learning to play jazz in the appropriate direction. It is unique in its effectiveness and utter success as a course of study. 57 years is a long time!
    Hope to discuss more about all of your findings and results with MB's (CJGC)

    Just one other thing springs to mind (before I bore you all to death!) only a couple of weeks ago during an open mike day at a local haunt we used the second intro on page 20 (transposed to Bb) for a uptempo blues figure repeated occasionaly between the guys solos, after a couple of numbers a couple of other guys from another band came over to the Sax player and said that the groove of that number was really "cookin!" and was the slickest number played that afternoon. I should mention that Benny (The Sax player) is one hell of a blower and interstingly enough as it turns out has had MB's book for nearly as long as I have. Obviously he has been more thorough in his use of it than I!
    Oh must mention a huge thanks to MJ for the site I can only imagine the time that you have spent on putting together this huge aid and tribute to one of Jazz's all time best sellers. You clearly love this book as much as one can. Lets be honest it's about as much fun as one can possibly have with their clothes on!!!
    Take care all and hope to speak to some of you soon.
    Just keep at it!
    Chris

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    Browsing through the shelves in a thrift store the other day I found a first (only?) edition of MB Book 1 in great shape. I thought it was a great score until I took a look at Lesson 1 and began to understand the challenge ahead. I'll have to reread this thread from the beginning. Yikes!

    Joe

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    Could someone look at this Amazon page for me. There's a "Frequently Bought Together" section showing 3 books. MB Jazz Guitar: Book 1, Book 2, then another book called "Jazz Guitar Micky Baker". The first and 3rd books look alike based on the table of contents and the first page discussing chords.
    Does anyone see a reason to buy the 3rd one? I would think the first 2 would suffice.
    Thanks for your opinions,
    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by naccoachbob View Post
    Could someone look at this Amazon page for me. There's a "Frequently Bought Together" section showing 3 books. MB Jazz Guitar: Book 1, Book 2, then another book called "Jazz Guitar Micky Baker". The first and 3rd books look alike based on the table of contents and the first page discussing chords.
    Does anyone see a reason to buy the 3rd one? I would think the first 2 would suffice.
    Thanks for your opinions,
    Bob
    Good afternoon, Bob...

    The first book shown on the Amazon page (blue cover...) is the later, revised edition of the third (original...) book (yellow cover...). They are almost the same contents, with a few corrections in the blue one.
    I use only the yellow one, but that's only for nostalgic reasons (I'm going through my third copy in 40 years...). I have the revised edition, but I'm old and stubborn.
    The second volume (red cover...) is a kind of 'sequel' to the first, and is considered rather an 'optional extra' more than 'must have'. The methodology differs, and there is even less in the way of explanation (as if that were possible..!) than the volume I. useful, and instructive, but not to the same degree as Vol I.
    If there is one to have, it should be the blue one. If you want both, get the blue and red. The yellow one (older edition...) is for sentimental old codgers like myself.
    Hope this helps.
    Have a nice day

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    Hi Guys

    I have yet to order this book. The reviews on amazon look good but I am slightly hesitant because when I look for videos of Mickey's playing on youtube it doesn't impress me that much. I watch and listen to players like Morten Faerestrand, John Scofield, Andreas Oberg, Joe Pass and George Benson. I want to be aiming at that kind of level. Maybe Mickey was that good but I don't see it/hear it in his playing.

    Am I looking at the wrong videos? Is this book going to be good for me in my quest to become a session level player?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennybeebop View Post
    Hi Guys

    I have yet to order this book. The reviews on amazon look good but I am slightly hesitant because when I look for videos of Mickey's playing on youtube it doesn't impress me that much. I watch and listen to players like Morten Faerestrand, John Scofield, Andreas Oberg, Joe Pass and George Benson. I want to be aiming at that kind of level. Maybe Mickey was that good but I don't see it/hear it in his playing.

    Am I looking at the wrong videos? Is this book going to be good for me in my quest to become a session level player?

    thanks
    Good afternoon, Benny...

    I made the same mistake, luckily several decades after having obtained the MB method books. I agree totally that there is no (as far as I am aware...) listenable stuff out there of Mickey playing anything decent (to my taste, at least...). I say 'luckily', as his playing or otherwise are not really the point. 'Are his books any good..?' is more the question, and the answer is a resounding 'Yes..!' (imho, of course ,but many others concur...).
    Don't try to play like Mickey. Just go through his books (after all, they're damned cheap enough..!), and play your stuff. It will almost certainly sound better than MB, judging from what I've heard of him.
    Hope this helps...
    Have a nice day

    Dad3353 (Douglas...)

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    I'm sure it was a great book when it was first published in the 1950's. Probably the first of its kind.
    Nuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuff Said View Post
    I'm sure it was a great book when it was first published in the 1950's. Probably the first of its kind.
    Nuff
    I'm sure that it was. I'm also sure that it still is. There are several treaties (some over a thousand years old...) that are still relevant (to some...) today. '50's..? I was there. It's not that long ago, really.
    Certainly, there are others, and many are excellent. MB still holds his own, imho; perhaps even because of it's age.
    Have a nice day

    Dad3353 (Douglas...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dad3353 View Post
    Good afternoon, Benny...

    I made the same mistake, luckily several decades after having obtained the MB method books. I agree totally that there is no (as far as I am aware...) listenable stuff out there of Mickey playing anything decent (to my taste, at least...). I say 'luckily', as his playing or otherwise are not really the point. 'Are his books any good..?' is more the question, and the answer is a resounding 'Yes..!' (imho, of course ,but many others concur...).
    Don't try to play like Mickey. Just go through his books (after all, they're damned cheap enough..!), and play your stuff. It will almost certainly sound better than MB, judging from what I've heard of him.
    Hope this helps...
    I had exactly the same experience finding stuff on Youtube of MB's playing. It really does not resemble much of the content in his book. I was expecting to hear pretty much st,andard bop type mellow neck pickup stuff and was wide eyed with the twangy (and if I could use a phrase forgive me all) "scratchy" sounds that I heard.
    I did head off to the book and compaired the picture of him on the inside page of the book to the computer screen. It was him alright!

    The book though is just brilliant and no amount of free beer/gogo dancers and foot rubs could change my view on that!!!

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    Hi, is there a list of the typo errors in the yellow book 1 ? i think i've found a couple, not sure though. That would be a big help to people learning from that edition , and if there is not any list of the errors, we could start one .

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    Quote Originally Posted by blindjimmy View Post
    Hi, is there a list of the typo errors in the yellow book 1 ? i think i've found a couple, not sure though. That would be a big help to people learning from that edition , and if there is not any list of the errors, we could start one .
    Damn fine idea! I did come across one today that I had not previously noticed, I will have to try and remember where it was.
    Big thumbs up for the suggestion!

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    Yeah found it here is a starter for 10!

    Lesson 12 paragraph 3.

    Mickey states that we should write out all the relative sub minor 7ths for all the dominant 7th chords in a list and quotes "that the 5th of Db7 is Bbm"

    This should either read "the 5th of Eb7 is Bbm"or "the 5th of Db7 is Abm"

    Probably the latter is correct as the previous reference was relating the sub minor of C7

    Oh by sub I mean "substitue"
    I know there are many others!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blindjimmy View Post
    Hi, is there a list of the typo errors in the yellow book 1 ? i think i've found a couple, not sure though. That would be a big help to people learning from that edition , and if there is not any list of the errors, we could start one .
    Found this list of corrections online. Not sure how complete/accurate...

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    Nice one! I think that pretty much covers it, some useful stuff in it too.
    Thanks for sharing.

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    Apologies if this has been asked before - just a minor point to clear up.

    Lesson 4 goes through different exercises w/ substitutions below. All well & good, I played through and was sounding jazzy, tho not necessarily unerstanding why the substitions were chosen, but that will come.

    Lesson 5, we have to go back and transpose the lesson 4 exercises to new keys.

    My question is - there are key signatures missing on page 9 right? The entire Lesson 4 is in G? Page 10 has the G signature, I'm going to assume Page 9 is simply missing it, as C major wouldn't make sense here.

    Couldn't see it in the errata or notes so just thought I'd run it by the experts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz Bug View Post
    Just a note for other beginners.

    You will be much better off knowing the note names on the neck when you begin using the book. I have some prior knowledge so I'm ok with the book, but if this was my first buy, I may be feeling lost already.
    I hadn't noticed this thread before. Cool. I'm just starting. On lesson 1 and 2 now.

    The rootless chord(s) that he throws in are particularly snarky. So far I've noticed D13b5b9 (thought there was a mistake at first) - not sure if there are other rootless chords in the 1st lesson.
    Cheers,
    Evan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Joyce View Post
    I've added some insight to help other fingerstylists without affecting what Mickey wrote for the plectrum artists.
    Nice site. I'll be visiting often.

    When I read this quote from the first lesson, I assumed Mickey was going to advocate finger style over pick playing.

    "The old style of strumming chords for guitar will never do in modern playing, so we will have to work out a complete system." Mickey Baker
    Cheers,
    Evan

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    I think he is just referring to folky-style strumming of C, F, G etc.

    At first he gets you strumming four to a bar, but later on the timing gets more complicated, with off beats all over the place.

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    Does anyone know if Mike Joyce's files will open with "Notion" or "Progression" on the iPad? The price on that app just dropped.

    I recall some saying that "guitar Pro" would open his files, but that hasn't worked for me on the iPad.
    Last edited by Evan; 06-10-2012 at 12:30 PM.
    Cheers,
    Evan

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    Is this thread dead? I would be interested in attempting to work through book 1 again. I tried a few times before and always gave up because my fingers just didn't seem to be able to do some of the chords. Even the Am7 chord with the a on the 1st string hurt an awful lot. Other chords that seem very difficult are the Am7(G6) on the 1st 4 strings and the C69 with the 3rd finger on the 1st 2 strings. And of course the Fmaj7 with the big stretch (although I just manage it as the Gmaj7 on the 3rd fret)
    Last edited by frankmaurer; 10-01-2012 at 09:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankmaurer View Post
    Is this thread dead? I would be interested in attempting to work through book 1 again. I tried a few times before and always gave up because my fingers just didn't seem to be albe to do some of the chords. Even the Am7 chord with the a on the 1st string hurt an awful lot. Other chords that seem very difficult are the Am7(G6) on the 1st 4 strings and the C69 with the 3rd finger on the 1st 2 strings. And of course the Fmaj7 with the big stretch (although I just manage it as the Gmaj7 on the 3r fret)
    Same for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slmsloslider View Post
    Michael, took a quick look at your Baker lessons.looks great, just gotta figure out the computer stuff.
    Maybe I can get past lesson three now!, thanks George

    Hey you guys,Im 62 and only getting serious about this the last year.Although I practice alot progress is slow.My question is this, my fretting hand, not finger tips but hand, gets sore after playing several hours.Do you recomend a day off a day on like at the gym, or just pushing on through the soreness.
    I'm 65 and I play 2-3 hours minimum every day. Perhaps the approach would be to play fewer hours each day but maintain continuity by playing every day.
    Yesterday I was at a session that lasted 5 hours and had no issues. Sometimes I've seen people get sore hands from playing on a neck that's too small (really important IMO) , or using strings that are too heavy, high action etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz Bug View Post
    Hopefully anyone that has this set of method books, or is interested in buying them will check in here.

    I received books 1&2 today. I plan on using this thread as a type of online blog, questions I have using the book, maybe something that I find helped me using the book. Anything, and everything.

    Hopefully more experienced players, or people who use the book can stop in and help when needed. I think this will be a great tool for any other beginners that come along like me...

    Ok, page one....

    26 chords to learn...ouch!...

    This is my first thought, all of this can be overwhelming!! How am I going to be able to do this?? I can tell you first thing, I have no clue...

    I'll start with the first chords, move on from there. I really want to play Jazz guitar. I have wanted to for a very long time, today I begin, come see me in a year....

    Joe
    This is a great Jazz Course. I have been working on the first group of chords in Book 1. I an already enjoying some nice progressings and working them in with scales and doing some improv's. I wasn't getting anywhere with jazz until I started this course. My problem is remembering the root and shapes on the keyboard. This course sure beats a couple of CD guitar courses I bought. I am a violin player and can hear the chord changes I need and am now having fun practicing. I have had books 1 and 2 for many years and did not realize how good they are. About two years ago I decided to learn to play jazz guitar after putting the idea away for many years. I guess I'm nuts to try this as I just hit 90. However my fingers are still nimble and the chording is doing ok so far. I would be happy to exchange thoughts about using this course, if you are interested. Good luck. I hope you are enjoying your playing as much as I am.

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    Ok, so I finally bought Mickey Baker's Complete Course in Jazz. Ill begin from page 1 so I hope to get feedback from you guys (I know you're proberbly way ahead).

    Im excited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz Classic View Post
    This is a great Jazz Course...
    Good afternoon, Jazz Classic (or may I call you Jazz..?)...

    This was my first guitar method 45 years ago; I still use it a lot, most especially the first few pages. From those initial chords, and with a bit of imagination, one can do a hell of a lot (modestly, in my case..!) already.
    I'd love to compare notes with you over the next 45 years or so, although, as I'm slow (you guessed that, perhaps..?), you are most likely to surpass me quite soon. I 'chickened out' when getting to the 'meat' of the course, where reading from a staff becomes required, purely by my own indolence, as there is nothing intrinsically difficult to read if one takes one's time.
    Good luck with the adventure; there's more than a lifetime of knowledge in that one book alone, at least for amateur 'players' such as myself. I'm looking forward to retirement soon; with some luck I'll make time to get towards the end of the book soon..!

    Quote Originally Posted by chancho View Post
    ...I know you're proberbly way ahead...
    Good afternoon, chancho...

    See above; some are speedier than others..! Take your time, do exactly what MB indicates, and you'll be fine. I'll be asking you for tips soon, I expect..! Keep us posted as to your progress, and ask away if you need to...
    Have a nice day

    Dad3353 (Douglas...)

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    Hi all.

    am just wondering how to proceed..

    i can play the changes well but it's been only two days since i started the lessons and am wondering what i am suppose to take from them.

    should i get to a point were if i see the standard chords i will automatically be able to play his suggested new chords?

    show i just understand that i can play a minor7 on the 5th of a dominant chord etc..?

    any tips on when is it ok to move on to the next lessons..

    thanks!

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    Don't know if I should have started a new thread for this question but: page 2 in Mickey Baker's book the 6th chord is named D13b5b9 is that correct? if so, damn! that's a stretch on the fingers, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chancho View Post
    ...6th chord is named D13b5b9 is that correct?...a stretch on the fingers, no?
    Good evening, chancho...

    Yes, it is correct; the question has come up many times, although it can, apparently, be analysed in other ways. The key that 'unlocks' it is when one realises (or is informed...) that it's a 'rootless' chord, there being no 'D' in there. It's a variant of D7 in this context, which will lead us to the G chord (GMaj7...) in the next pages.
    As for the stretch: you're right, of course; it's a stretch for a while, but one gets used to it. Don't over-do it, or hurt yourself at first. One 'trick' to try would be to not play from the 'D' position at first, but rather further up the neck. Try it from the 12th fret (that would be a 'B', I think...), and work down the neck progressively. Stop descending when it becomes too much of a stretch. Rinse and repeat, day after day, and it will become easier to get to the 'D' (or even down to 'C'; why not..?).
    In the 'real' world (or at least, in mine..!), one doesn't have to religiously make each note ring out clearly. I find that, most of the time, having the top 3 strings and the 6th well in place suffices to get the effect. That's how I use it, anyway, when I'm in 'cheat' mode (but then again, I'm not a good, clean, player...).
    Hope this helps.
    Have a nice day

    Dad3353 (Douglas...)

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    Chancho, it is correct, as Douglas said. Lets break it down:

    This is a D7 x5x57x
    This is a D13 x5x577
    This is D13b5 x56577

    Now put that b5 on the sixth string, an octave lower

    45x577

    Now we add the b9 - which is like adding a b2 (as the b7 is already there from the original D7 chord)

    46x577

    Which is the famous or infamous Mickey Baker Chord :-)

    In other words, we can spell it this way from the bass upwards:

    b5 b9 (4th string muted) b7 major3rd 6th

    By the way, note that it has a 6th and a 7th. Now add 6+7, and what do you get? 13. So, it's a 13th chord in which the 5th and 9th have been flattened. The root is absent because we have run out of fingers (the more balletic among us might try playing the root as that 4th string open...)

    Anyway, it's a great chord to place between Am7 and Gmaj7, with a chromatically descending bass line - A Ab G.

    Hope that made some kind of sense?

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    I have a general question.
    I would like to try playing the chord exercises in more than one tempo. What would a good tempo setting be for slow, medium and fast?
    Also what does MB mean with Bounce?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dad3353 View Post
    Take your time, do exactly what MB indicates, and you'll be fine. .
    Such sound advice. I think if I ever become a guitar teacher, I'll assign exercises to be played as SLOW as possible. Not everything and not always, but starting slow and getting things right is the best way to get really good. I think it was Troy Stetina who said, "If you make a mistake, you're playing too fast."
    "Learn the repertoire. It’s all in the songs. If you learn 200 songs, you will have no problem improvising."
    Frank Vignola

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    Good evening, Frank...

    Quote Originally Posted by frankmaurer View Post
    ...What would a good tempo setting be for slow, medium and fast?...
    Looking at previous posts here from you, may I suggest that, if you're finding it difficult to finger the chords, that speed should be, in any case, rather more 'slow' than 'fast'..? I never use a metronome, myself (yes, I'm a drummer..!), and would be hard put to give you bpm tempos to work to. I would, however, recommend that you choose your tempos (tempi..?) yourself. Whatever you're already considering as 'slow', take 20 bpm less as being 'slow'. Then add 10 bpm to the original speed, and consider that as 'fast'.
    The idea, certainly in the early stages, is not to play fast at all. The slower you do your practicing, the quicker you will become 'fast'. I realise, of course, that 'all work and no play makes MB a dull boy', so you may break out now and again into recreation mode, and try any speed you like, but this is really only for relieving frustration..! Don't look for speed, and it will come. Trust me, I'm a drummer..!

    Quote Originally Posted by frankmaurer View Post
    ...what does MB mean with Bounce?...
    Not the prettiest, not most eloquent explanation, I'm sure, but the last link on the page linked below is to a short audio of George Benson illustrating nicely what 'bounce' can mean (better than I could do in words, for sure..!).

    Make Your Notes Bounce

    It often helps to think in triplets, or 12/8, to get the feel. Listening to swing music should give you the idea, in general.

    Hope this helps (but not really sure of that...)
    Have a nice day

    Dad3353 (Douglas...)