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My right hand picking and strumming were always weak points.
I'm going through book 1 as a refresher: part 1 to practice different right hand rhythms to the more or less familar chord progressions, and part 2 picking technique and riffs.
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08-06-2018 09:03 PM
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Sorry to hear about the leukemia. My nephew Adam was diagnosed with that just before his 3rd birthday. He's in his 40s now, thanks mainly to St. Jude's research hospital in Memphis. He spent a lot of his childhood there. He had a teddy bear and everything the doctors did to him, he would use the bear to demonstrate to his family what he'd been through. That bear had some tough times!
Originally Posted by goinbaroke
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Wow, sorry to hear about the little guy, I've at least lived to near 80, I have Myleoidplastica Leukemia, white blood platlets are the problem. I try to stay upbeat!
I wish I'd learned more music theory, I'm just using tabs and going thru MBs book, keeps me occupied and love to hear you guys playing on the forum.
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Hi folks. Is there a mistake in lesson 16? In the first two columns ( G7 to C7 ), the sixth staff from the top shows
| G11 / G7b5 / | Cm7 / C7b5 / |
Should the third chord there be Gm7 not Cm7 as written? It makes more sense positionally.
thanks again
Rob
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I agree with you that it should be labeled Gm7. Cm7 doesn't make any sense to me in this context. Originally Posted by w3stie
On another note: I much as I love this book (I'm going thru the 1st half for the 3rd time) I still get confused by the way Mickey names chords - naming them for the chord they're substituting for.
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i don’t think it’s a mistake
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1st clue is we have the G11, we have sus sound.
The Cm is an Eb6
The Eb6 is F7 sus
The F7 comes from the biii dim
which pulls to your ii or V7 (or even the 1)
It’s like that progression that goes ii-V7-iiim7b5-VI7
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Joe, I was just about to ask you to elaborate a little. Originally Posted by joe2758
However, the way it's written in the book has you jumping from the 9th fret down to the 3rd fret and back up to the 9th. A Mickey's Form 18 of a Cm7 is at the 3rd fret. A Form 24 C7b5 is at the 9th fret (this is actually a Gb7, the Tritone sub of C7). That doesn't make sense to me from a voice leading point of view. Additionally, it simply doesn't sound good to me either (I'm looking at it as if the next chord would some sort of F).
I know just enough music theory to be dangerous, so any further explanation from you would be very helpful.
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Well yeah that voiceleading is garbage. however, when comping sometimes a big leap like that is cool (if it’s the exception). The next chord is actually Dm7 to D dim, and I think of this whole thing as being in C maj Originally Posted by Jack E Blue
Joe, I was just about to ask you to elaborate a little. However, the way it's written in the book has you jumping from the 9th fret down to the 3rd fret and back up to the 9th. A Mickey's Form 18 of a Cm7 is at the 3rd fret. A Form 24 C7b5 is at the 9th fret (this is actually a Gb7, the Tritone sub of C7). That doesn't make sense to me from a voice leading point of view. Additionally, it simply doesn't sound good to me either (I'm looking at it as if the next chord would some sort of F).
I know just enough music theory to be dangerous, so any further explanation from you would be very helpful.
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Joe, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Using Occam's razor (much sharper than a Gillette Originally Posted by joe2758
) the simplest explanation is that it's a typo - "C" instead of a "G".
I understand what you're saying about voice leading. You may want a big jump for effect, but in this case the voicing is simply not logical when you look at Lesson 16 in it's entirety.
Additionally, you're being forced to jump through hoops to explain why a Cm7 is correct when my ears tell me otherwise. To quote Groucho Marx, "Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"
You, undoubtedly, have more knowledge of music theory than I do and your young ears are probably much better than mine. However, I'm going with my own ears and my own sense of logic on this one and say that it's a typo in the book.
Oh, and one more thing, the next chord is not a Dm7. That Dm7 is a separate example under the column G7 > Cmi. It has nothing to do with the 1st column, G7 > C7. Each example is 2 bars long. I think you're looking at it as a continuos line of music. There are 3 columns of examples - G7 > C7; G7 > Cmi; G7 > Cmaj.
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i need to start just keeping my trap shut on these questions haha
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Ah, come on man. I always read and enjoy your posts. Originally Posted by joe2758
Now, for the big question. Do you now think it's a typo in the book or are you sticking with your story? I won't be able to sleep until I see your answer.
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Thanks for the replies. I know from previous comments that the book has numerous typos, which leads me to believe it is more likely a typo. The preceding progression on that lesson is | Dm7 / Dm6 / | Gm7 / C13 / | So in the context of the rest of the lesson, he is playing positionally, that is showing progressions which group close together on the fretboard. So in that context, the Cm7 jump to the third position from the tenth stands out. I'm not saying the Cm7 is wrong, but was that MB's intent?
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I agree with you 100% that this was a typo. I don't think this book had an editor. If so, he was the worst editor in music book history. The word "course" is used for "chorus" in several places. The v (minor) is referred to as the relative minor. These are just the errors I found with my limited knowledge. There are probably others. Originally Posted by w3stie
Anyway, that was a good catch, Rob. I'm working through this book for the 3rd time. If there's anything else in this book that you'd like to discuss I'm ready, willing and able.
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Somewhere around here I found a link to a pdf correcting errors in Mickey's book.
That ringing a bell with anyone?
I can't find it just now.
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Thanks Jack, I'm also working through for the second time, but I'm taking pains to do everything he suggests, e.g. writing everything out, transposing etc. Just plodding through at the moment and not worrying if things don't make perfect sense. Except for these typos! I'll keep on posting here if I hit a snag or get a bright idea :/ Originally Posted by Jack E Blue
Rob
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That would be very useful thanks Mark Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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I admire your self-discipline. This is my 3rd time through the 1st half and I'm still not doing it as Baker suggests. Coincidentally, I happen to be on Lesson 16 which is why I jumped on your question. I'm going to take a crack at applying this stuff to some standards as per Lesson 17. Frank Pratte (a forum regular) made a video using MB's chord substitutions on "All of Me." If you haven't seen it just do a search on YouTube for Frank Pratte. It was very helpful see to someone actually apply these concepts to a real song. Now I just need to buckle down and try it myself. Originally Posted by w3stie
As far as the 2nd half of the book goes I never got past lesson 30. (Standard notation is a struggle for me). I set some goals for August. One of those is to complete lesson 34 by the end of the month while reviewing the 1st half. Half the month has gone by and I haven't even started. I need to get moving and learn some "Hot" guitar.
BTW, every time I go through the book things make more and more sense. The pieces of the puzzle are slowly coming together.
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I'm determined to finish this book. I realised when we had a clean out recently that I have never finished an instruction book or method book, and I had quite a few. So I picked on this one and decided to finish it however long it takes. I find if I get stuck on something, I can always ask someone like on this forum, or put it aside for later. I read a good quote from Wes Montgomery, which I have printed out and stuck to my music stand. He says Originally Posted by Jack E Blue
I admire your self-discipline. This is my 3rd time through the 1st half and I'm still not doing it as Baker suggests. Coincidentally, I happen to be on Lesson 16 which is why I jumped on your question. I'm going to take a crack at applying this stuff to some standards as per Lesson 17. Frank Pratte (a forum regular) made a video using MB's chord substitutions on "All of Me." If you haven't seen it just do a search on YouTube for Frank Pratte. It was very helpful see to someone actually apply these concepts to a real song. Now I just need to buckle down and try it myself.
As far as the 2nd half of the book goes I never got past lesson 30. (Standard notation is a struggle for me). I set some goals for August. One of those is to complete lesson 34 by the end of the month while reviewing the 1st half. Half the month has gone by and I haven't even started. I need to get moving and learn some "Hot" guitar.
BTW, every time I go through the book things make more and more sense. The pieces of the puzzle are slowly coming together.
"When you find guitar players who are playing, you'll find that at one time they never cared if they never played, they were going to keep on until they did. After a period of time, the beginning player will hear a little difference in his playing, and that little inspiration is enough to go further, and the first thing you know you won't back out. The biggest problem is getting started." (emphasis mine)
So I just keep on getting started. For now at least
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I have a copy of that pdf somewhere I will try and dig it out. I know I have it on a disc someplace. Age affecting memory the usual story.! Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
I remember there were quite a few errors listed. Back when I've located it.
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Would be nice to have an erratta sheet in our books.
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Anyone have this on Kindle?
I have the book. Had it for years and it's a little worse for wear. Not that I'll get rid of it. But---because it's such a cheap book---I thought I might buy another copy and work through it again.
Then I saw the price for the Kindle version was under 7 bucks (US). I haven't bought any music books on Kindle. Thought the screen would be too small for practical use on a music stand. But someone gave me a Tablet recently and that's a larger screen; who knows? I don't, obviously, but I suspect someone around here does... ;o)
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Here we go boys and girls the Errata for Mickey Baker Enjoy! Originally Posted by goinbaroke
Would be nice to have an errata sheet in our books.
Last edited by Cabbycabbage; 08-25-2018 at 02:40 AM. Reason: spelling mistake
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Thanks very much for that, very useful and will save a lot of head scratching! I think I can add another one to the already extensive list though. As discussed earlier in this thread, page 16 six lines down second measure, I think the Cmi7 should be a Gmi7 using Mickey's chord 18. Originally Posted by Cabbycabbage
Thanks again
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You're welcome anything to make life easier!! Originally Posted by w3stie
Agree with you on the Cmi7 - Gmi7 debate! Same fingering pattern used on the same page third line down bar three over the G7 makes sense to me.
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