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    That's great Greg, well done! You're getting those chords nice and clean with the pick starting and stopping in the right spots. Definitely time to move on.

    Don't worry about the occasional hiccup - you just keep going without missing a beat and no one cares.

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    Thanks for the encouragement TLT, I'll press on. I'm so happy to be playing guitar again after such a long break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    I don't really know. The first lessons I had (I was about 10 years old), those lasted for maybe a couple months, I was taking lessons from a neighbor who was about 13 years old, he played well but he didn't have any teaching experience. It was Carl Verheyen! Google him and check him out.

    Here's a tune, I've seen him play this, a trio with him singing and playing this at the same time: Carl Verheyen at Music Max on Tue Jun 12

    Then at about 13 years old I took lessons from an 'official' guitar teacher, who was a classical guitarist. He taught me to read and that's when my reading started. I took lessons for maybe a year. So from the start I was reading music notation. Tablature was something I already didn't like, my initial experience made it easier for me to read notation.

    I played guitar through my college years and then for the most part didn't play from about 25 to 42 years old. I'm 53 now.

    So, I've spent a lot of time reading music, but most of that time I was not making an effort to be a "sight reader". I suppose I could sight read real simple music when I was 14 years old.

    It was 2011 when I made a conscious effort to practice sight reading. Since then I include 10 to 15 minutes a day sight reading. That's really all it takes for me to show some improvement over time.
    Thanks very much, Frank. I *thought* I posted a similar response (similar to this) right after your post, but apparently it didn't take.

    So if I work hard, six months of sight-reading (given that I read okay now) might get me up to speed, I think. I'll go back to the beginning with the most rudimentary stuff I can find.

    Interesting, Frank, that you "put it down" for a good stretch of years, too. I didn't know that.

    Also, I like your idea of reading through the Real Books. It's a rich multi-task, isn't it? Becoming acquainted with new tunes, searching out versions on YouTube, the reading, the metronome practice....

    BTW, your childhood teacher is very talented. LOVE that kind of earthy, groove music, hits you in the stomach and makes you grunt.

    Thanks again.

    kj

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregfriedrice View Post
    Here we are - my version of Sea to Sea. A few duff notes but I wasn't striving for perfection! After the 10th take definitely started to feel I was playing from memory rather than reading the notes but I guess that's unavoidable. Recorded with the built-in mic on my laptop hence the noise. I've got a USB interface coming in the post so subsequent recordings should sound a lot cleaner I hope. How is everyone else getting on?

    https://www.box.com/s/d76ef5d2cc9ff225d201
    Hey Greg, good going. Very enjoyable, nice chord attack (smooth) - just a good performance all 'round.

    Echoing what TLT said about boo-boos: the great roots musician and musicologist, David Bromberg (a virtuoso guitarist), said, "I've found that an audience will forgive mistakes completely as long as 1) you stay strongly in the groove, and 2) nail the ending. F. up the ending real bad, and you've f.ed up."


    Great job, Greg. Give us another one!

    kojo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojo27 View Post
    BTW, your childhood teacher is very talented. LOVE that kind of earthy, groove music, hits you in the stomach and makes you grunt.

    Thanks again.

    kj
    For me he has a very recognizable style. On the other hand, he plays a lot of different styles being a first call Hollywood studio musician. But I usually can still recognize his playing.

    He's also the guitarist for Supertramp. And he has his own band.

    Once in a while he does a cover. My favorite is his cover of "My Back Pages" by Dylan. I couldn't find that. Here's a Mingus cover, check it out:

    B+
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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    For me he has a very recognizable style. On the other hand, he plays a lot of different styles being a first call Hollywood studio musician. But I usually can still recognize his playing.

    He's also the guitarist for Supertramp. And he has his own band.

    Once in a while he does a cover. My favorite is his cover of "My Back Pages" by Dylan. I couldn't find that. Here's a Mingus cover, check it out:

    Holy Moly! That's my favorite Mingus tune, too -- but this guy is wa-a-a-a-a-y beyond good. I wonder did he study formally...

    I'd trade hands with him any day. Super music, Frank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojo27 View Post
    Holy Moly! That's my favorite Mingus tune, too -- but this guy is wa-a-a-a-a-y beyond good. I wonder did he study formally...

    I'd trade hands with him any day. Super music, Frank.
    Carl is my older brothers friend. We all went to the same small catholic grade school and high school. Carl was in my brothers class. I was just the younger brother so I didn't hang out with them. Carl does still calls me 'brother Frank' to this day when I go to one of his shows and say hi. And it was real cool that he sent me well wishes when I was in the hospital and in recovery.

    I recall Carl going to college back east somewhere. I don't even know if that was to study music and I don't know if he finished. But I do know that he taught at GIT.

    He was a bit of a legend back in his high school days. A hot shot guitarist in high school was a big deal back then.

    Edit: Jeez, I just realized I'm breaking my own rules, I'm hijacking our thread. Oops
    Last edited by fep; 06-13-2012 at 03:59 PM.
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    What's the name of the Mingus tune?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edh View Post
    What's the name of the Mingus tune?
    "Goodbye, Pork Pie Hat"
    Last edited by Kojo27; 06-14-2012 at 02:39 PM. Reason: misspelled "pork pie"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojo27 View Post
    "Goodbye, Pork Pie Hat"
    I saw the title staring me in the face after I had asked the question.

    Thanks for responding.

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    I didnt wan't to make a new thread for this and it's completely unrelated to this topic, but you guys have been quite helpful and I hope you can help me save some forum space by letting me ask here

    I wrote a pretty sweet hook and I'm playing around with the theory, and not surprisingly, what I came up with on the guitar far exceeds my knowledge of theory, well maybe not by much. But I can't figure out this chord.

    It's played on the G/B/E strings. 4th fret G string, 3rd fret B string, open E. So the chord notes are B - D - E.

    It's a minor 3rd and a perfect 4th, and I have no idea what this type of chord is. The second chord is the same except B - D - Gb which I believe is just Bminor.

    Thanks for any help you can offer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_small_coyote View Post
    I didnt wan't to make a new thread for this and it's completely unrelated to this topic, but you guys have been quite helpful and I hope you can help me save some forum space by letting me ask here

    I wrote a pretty sweet hook and I'm playing around with the theory, and not surprisingly, what I came up with on the guitar far exceeds my knowledge of theory, well maybe not by much. But I can't figure out this chord.

    It's played on the G/B/E strings. 4th fret G string, 3rd fret B string, open E. So the chord notes are B - D - E.

    It's a minor 3rd and a perfect 4th, and I have no idea what this type of chord is. The second chord is the same except B - D - Gb which I believe is just Bminor.

    Thanks for any help you can offer!
    Without and more information than you porvided:

    The first chord is a Bm(add11) chord.

    And the second chord is a Bm, spelled B D F#

    Note that the fifth of a chord can often be omitted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Without and more information than you porvided:

    The first chord is a Bm(add11) chord.

    And the second chord is a Bm, spelled B D F#

    Note that the fifth of a chord can often be omitted.
    Thanks for the speedy response. I feel like kind of an idiot now because I worked those chords out at work, away from my guitar and from memory, of course I was wrong.

    The chord I was wondering about was actually G - D - Gb the first note being open G. I was hoping to figure out what chord this was so I can understand a little better what I'm playing here and why it sounds so damn good.

    I'm thinking it's an inversion but I can't quite figure it out. Thanks again for helping!

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    Hi coyote, it could be a Gmaj7 chord, but without knowing the context it's hard to say.

    I did do a couple of videos on the subject of chords, you may find this helpful. They are posted later on in the MM threads, but no harm in watching them now.




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    Quote Originally Posted by a_small_coyote View Post
    The chord I was wondering about was actually G - D - Gb the first note being open G. I was hoping to figure out what chord this was so I can understand a little better what I'm playing here and why it sounds so damn good.
    Stand alone that is a D/G, spoken as D with a G bass (although context could change how you name a chord). It is more properly spelled G - D - F#. It is real nice with an A on top like this:

    XX5775

    another way is:

    x10.12.11.10.10

    Steely Dan uses that chord quite a bit. Check out the chords to their song 'Josie'.
    Last edited by fep; 06-17-2012 at 09:48 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Stand alone that is a D/G, spoken as D with a G bass (although context could change how you name a chord). It is more properly spelled G - D - F#. It is real nice with an A on top like this:

    XX5775

    another way is:

    x10.12.11.10.10

    Steely Dan uses that chord quite a bit. Check out the chords to their song 'Josie'.
    Ah ok thank you for the help!

    I'm not sure what you guys mean by context in this example, there's not a lot of context because it's such a short hook. I guess you mean which key or scale? I'm still working that part out lol.

    The only two chords in the run are XXX432 and then XXX032, which sound really great together. But I'm thinking the theory of why they sound so good and what else to throw in there is gonna be just beyond my theory reach right now haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_small_coyote View Post
    Ah ok thank you for the help!

    I'm not sure what you guys mean by context in this example, there's not a lot of context because it's such a short hook. I guess you mean which key or scale? I'm still working that part out lol.

    The only two chords in the run are XXX432 and then XXX032, which sound really great together. But I'm thinking the theory of why they sound so good and what else to throw in there is gonna be just beyond my theory reach right now haha.
    By context I mean one of two things:

    1. If playing with a band you have to consider all the notes being played at the time you are playing that chord.

    2. You have to look at what came before and after that voicing. I'll sometimes play several quick chords as all being part of one chord and I'm thinking Gmaj7 stuff. For instance:

    xx5777

    xx4455

    xx3344

    xx3343

    In that context, I'm thinking Gmaj7 and embellishments the whole time.

    Here's a cliche:

    xx354x

    xx333x

    xx131x

    That's a blues F7 chordal lick. One kind of hears it as a related group and I just think F7.
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    That's pretty interesting, and still a little out of my reach. But the good thing is that a little over a month ago I would have no idea what you're talking about, and now I'm actually beginning to make sense of it!

    Also I just reached Page 8 haha. I'm moving glacially slow through this book, but I'm actually ok with that. Creating some pretty cool melodies of my own as well.

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    Cool, why don't you share your compositions here?

    https://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/getti...-material.html

    Only if you'd like of course.

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    I dunno...they are incomplete, and don't always go along with the lesson plan.

    The last composition I made was a few bars of fingerpicking that sounds really good, but in reality has not much to do with the Modern Method heh.

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    Just a quick note to say 'hello' to all. I'm really glad I found this site, it helped clarify a few questions as I begin working my way through the course. So much good feedback and insight. And away we go...

    JM

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    Hello Jimmy!

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    Hi everyone, I just started the Modern method and am having a great time. It took me over a week to get comfortable with everything up to page 17 but I think that I am ready to move on today. I do plan on reviewing the previous material a lot as I move on though.

    I am really impressed with the book so far. So much so that even though it will be a long time before I need them, I ordered books 2 and 3 and the Jazz Songbook I. My only problem/regret is the DVD-ROM that comes with Volume I doesn't play on any of my Macs running Mountain Lion (OSX 10.8.1). I contacted Berklee Press and it looks like they will not be updating/supporting the DVD any more (See quote that follows).

    Hi Anthony,

    Thanks for contacting us. No updates are planned for the Modern Method DVD at this time. Unfortunately, this decision is up to our distributor, Hal Leonard, and we have not heard any word that they plan to update the format. I apologize for this inconvenience. Please feel free to let me know if you have any further questions.

    Sincerely,
    Rob Fusco
    Senior Customer Service Rep
    Berkleemusic


    The only way for me to use any of the DVD material is to navigate to the subfolder holding the little video clips and open each one individually. It is a pain in the butt but it is better than nothing at all. And here I was hoping that they would make a DVD for books 2 and 3. Oh well, what can you do....

    Back to practicing....

    Anthony

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    Hello there Tony!
    Ima mac user too, what I did was to install VMWare Fusion and Install Windows XP inside it. (in simple terms, it's as if you have a windows xp operating system inside your mac osx mountain lion). Or you can buy, Parallels for Mac.
    Just run/open the dvd inside your windows xp virtual operating system.,

    Welcome to JazzGuitar.be! I'm a new member too and still on the book 1. Glad to have found some classmates here. ^_~

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    Hi there Anthony - Hi there Jan (hope the names are right). You are embarking on a wonderful journey. I hope to jump in with you guys and finish all (most) the parts I didn't post.

    Are you two planning to post your work? It's the big motivator -- video is better than audio, as Frank said somewhere.

    Cheers!
    Kojo

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    Hi Tony, post questions as you go through the book it you have any, and post some recordings if you want any critiques.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by janryc View Post
    Hello there Tony!
    Ima mac user too, what I did was to install VMWare Fusion and Install Windows XP inside it. (in simple terms, it's as if you have a windows xp operating system inside your mac osx mountain lion). Or you can buy, Parallels for Mac.
    Just run/open the dvd inside your windows xp virtual operating system.,

    Welcome to JazzGuitar.be! I'm a new member too and still on the book 1. Glad to have found some classmates here. ^_~

    Hi janryc:

    I started to buy parallels today but then I came up with the bright idea to take an external hard drive, install snow leopard on it and to boot from there. So when I boot from the external drive into snow leopard, I can then use the DVD no problem. Technology - sheesh!

    Anthony

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    Better late than never?

    Page 4!

    Some string rattling here: this guitar has very small string spacing (unlike most Eastman archtops), and I'm probably picking too hard.

    Me first video ever:


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    Hey Kojo, it's good to see you posting a recording.

    You showed a lot of discipline working through that at a slow tempo. I find it can actually be more difficult at a slow tempo.

    Thanks for posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Hey Kojo, it's good to see you posting a recording.

    You showed a lot of discipline working through that at a slow tempo. I find it can actually be more difficult at a slow tempo.

    Thanks for posting.
    Thanks, Fep. Some of my other (audio) posts were too speedy, so I wanted to make sure this one wasn't, and it can be tricky playing slow! Years ago, during my "first phase," I played scales at a ridiculously slow tempo for hours, so that helps, I suppose.

    Man, I'm excited about maybe getting to do this thing. More soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jam66es View Post
    I was trying to figure out how to do a video like that using my audiobox for the sound but couldn't get it to work.
    James - doesn't your computer have a web cam? Almost all laptops do these days, w/built-in microphone. My external built-in mic is screwy so I had to plug one in and let the mic hang suspended inside the guitar - it works quite well, actually.

    If you don't have a laptop, you can get a great web can for your desktop at Walmart. Mics are cheap, too. Probably for $25 you could be in business. Maybe less - check eBay.

    I'm an old school guy, so I don't even know what an audio box is; maybe you can tell me?

    kojo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrienne480 View Post
    Looks like you guys are off to a great start with this thread! So for this week, we are going up to the Sea to Sea duet?
    Are you jumping in Adrienne?

    About "this week"... you know, I'm not sure whether we'll do one week per lesson, or two weeks per lesson. The original group (yes, The Founding Fathers: ) began with weekly lessons but somewhere around Section Two of the book, went to 2-week-long lessons. I've worked with this book a bit already and I can tell you, the material becomes almost palpably harder with each lesson. Lesson one is ridiculously simple. Wait till lesson four!

    The way I'm feeling about it now is that we don't have a "group" yet. If a couple of us bound forward, then a couple more want to join, then another and so on, it'll be staggered. I'll let you guys & gals figure out how you want to handle it. I'm thinking Sea to Sea ends the first lesson. Maybe we can coast up to that (pun intended) but go no farther until a few people have completed the duet -- it might be three weeks from now. But we'll have a bigger group that way.

    I see nothing wrong with promoting the group on other forum sites. Acoustic Guitar, Just Jazz Guitar - I don't know the names of them, but announce a study group for serious-minded players of any level, though rank beginners will have a hell of a time with this! Let them know it's a several-month-long commitment. Recording the homework is the whole motivational point. If a person doesn't want to do that, audio or video, hmm. It's still an open forum and a free country....

    I don't know -- somebody else talk now.

    kj

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    The timing in this thing won't win any awards, but I'm sleepy and wanted to do a video, but I'm not sure of the best way to overdub while doing that. I'll figure it out. Meanwhile, the audio still works. A stepping stone though: I want this to be video all the way, if possible.

    I'm playing a new (to me) guitar with very close string spacing, and I get a lot of string rattle against the pick, but I'm adjusting.

    This was fun!


    https://www.box.com/s/j70wc4z5l0iq6evcrl14

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    Here are the final exercises for Lesson 1.

    Ex. 2
    https://www.box.com/s/96e1xajof568gw08b4d5


    Ex. 3 & 4


    https://www.box.com/s/min1tynjlme1r3zk52wy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojo27 View Post
    The timing in this thing won't win any awards, but I'm sleepy and wanted to do a video, but I'm not sure of the best way to overdub while doing that. I'll figure it out. Meanwhile, the audio still works. A stepping stone though: I want this to be video all the way, if possible.

    I'm playing a new (to me) guitar with very close string spacing, and I get a lot of string rattle against the pick, but I'm adjusting.

    This was fun!


    https://www.box.com/s/j70wc4z5l0iq6evcrl14
    Good job, it sounds like you are using rest strokes.

    Your timing is good. My approach was to almost always use a metronome (often times you can't hear it on my recordings as I was recording direct without a mic, but I was using a metronome). For me it eventually got to where it felt easier for me to play with a metronome as I started feeling I was 'groovin' with it. And, all this metronome practice has helped my timing when playing without a metronome, which is the goal.

    Using rest strokes was the challenge for me at this point as I hadn't used the technique before. But to get through this piece, it sure seems necessary as you have to mute the previous notes and you have to play chords on the inside strings.

    _____________________________

    Off topic, have you tried recording with a more traditional mic placement (about a foot away pointing at the fret where the neck joins the body of the guitar).

    Great Acoustic Guitar Tone ? Mic Placement: Mono (Part 4 of 7) | Home Studio Corner
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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Good job, it sounds like you are using rest strokes.

    Your timing is good. My approach was to almost always use a metronome (often times you can't hear it on my recordings as I was recording direct without a mic, but I was using a metronome). For me it eventually got to where it felt easier for me to play with a metronome as I started feeling I was 'groovin' with it. And, all this metronome practice has helped my timing when playing without a metronome, which is the goal.

    Using rest strokes was the challenge for me at this point as I hadn't used the technique before. But to get through this piece, it sure seems necessary as you have to mute the previous notes and you have to play chords on the inside strings.

    _____________________________

    Off topic, have you tried recording with a more traditional mic placement (about a foot away pointing at the fret where the neck joins the body of the guitar).

    Great Acoustic Guitar Tone ? Mic Placement: Mono (Part 4 of 7) | Home Studio Corner


    Thanks for all this, Frank -- I was using all rest strokes, and that brought about some of the string rattle as I'd rest on a string and then, when lifting the pick off, I'd hit a string above it that was, with chords, still vibrating. Need to work on that, but rest strokes are great. I'm sold on the whole idea, esp. for acoustic guitars, or big archies.

    Thanks for the mic-placement tip! I have no idea what I'm doing with this recording business. Need all the help I can get. Much of the problem is my inexperience with Audacity; I still have to learn about input levels and how to "mix down" stuff, if that's possible. I have Pro Tools, but haven't make heads or tails of it so far.

    Appreciate the feedback.

    kj

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    kOJO,How the hell do you get your leg to bend like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECHOPLEX View Post
    kOJO,How the hell do you get your leg to bend like that?
    Ha - and that's my stiff side - I'm not even telling where the other foot is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojo27 View Post
    Ha - and that's my stiff side - I'm not even telling where the other foot is...
    Some things are better left unsaid.Good luck with the book.

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    ok, I've done a bit of recording and playing today.
    this video is the intro to the C major scale. I play it at 90bpm once as written followed by twice through as if it was quarter notes and then once more as half notes!


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    Hi Clamps,

    Sound pretty much perfect... But, hey I don't remember that last part.

    Time to move on.
    B+
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    here it is again, a little bit slower. I played at 60 bpm, if anyone would like to jam along at a slower speed!


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    hi again! I recorded exercises 2, 3 and 4. I did a quick and a slow version of number 1, but my macbook has 23 mb of space on it, and I think it got lost in the shuffle somewhere....

    anyay, here's 2,3 and 4.


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    All sounding good - keep up the good work -- the really easy stuff doesn't last long.

    Kojo

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    hi! exercise 5 from pg 8 @ 120 bpm.




    and here is exercise 6!

    Last edited by Clamps; 10-04-2012 at 12:47 AM.

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    Hey - good work again. You have excellent musicianship; right with the metronome and good note clarity. As I said earlier, enjoy this simple stuff now, because it escalates REAL fast.

    Also, just to say, no biggie: Leavitt intends this Modern Method thing to be a study in *pick style* guitar, and the etudes and exercises are for building facility with a pick - strength and coordination in the right hand.

    I'm *very* tempted sometimes to fingerpick these things - check out Endurance Etude for a good example! Wow, with a pick, that's a killer. With fingers, it's simple. Fep fingerpicked one of the duets in the last group, playing both parts simultaneously; it was beautiful, of course, but still an exception.

    Basically, do your own thing. I'm not anybody's boss - just saying for what it's worth.

    Keep posting - I'll have up some stuff soon. : )

    Kojo

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    Hi, thanks for listening! I'm glad to start doing recording project!
    I will enjoy this 'simple stuff' now.
    Last edited by Clamps; 10-04-2012 at 10:02 AM.

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    Ps
    I've recorded and posted for pages 8-11, 12-14 and 15-19. Kojo I'm not sure you're in those threads or not.

  50. #299

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clamps View Post
    Ps
    I've recorded and posted for pages 8-11, 12-14 and 15-19. Kojo I'm not sure you're in those threads or not.
    Not yet - preparing to record 8-11. My recording capabilities suck so bad. I've gone beyond the $4 flea market mic, got a condenser, but still having trouble with mic blare. These Loar guitars (and Eastman) are LOUD. Heh. Maybe I need to learn to play softly.

    See you there. Great playing, btw. Mr. Smooth, you are.

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    I just realised my post belongs here and not in the sticky on the beginner's thread
    Here is me doing to the first exercise of vol 1 at 80bpm. Click not audible.


    Please let me know if the group is still going here. If so, I will definitely post more videos of myself going through the course. I have a couple on my hard drive ready to go.

    Self critique:

    • 80 bpm not a spectacular speed but so far the max speed I've been able to execute with both a metronome and no mistakes at the point of making the video. I could probably do it faster, but reading Ten Left Thumbs, 80 bpm might be good to move on for now?


    • Volume could be definitely more even


    • Can't say I was a 100% relaxed


    One question I have: I've been trying to read the whole thread but is there a mark set for when it's time to move on to the next chapters/excersises? A certain speed combined with no mistakes at all or 1-2 mistake slack?

    As of now I'm working on sea to sea duet. 80 bpm was ok and have that recorded but I figured I will only post sea when I have it down at 120 bpm?
    Last edited by Langs; 08-15-2013 at 04:30 PM.