Best dirty sound . . .

**Marcel_A** · 01-30-2022, 03:05 PM

This forum is pretty much about jazz in a traditional sense. That is a round, warm and clean jazz sound.

But what is you favorite dirty sound? Ik used to own a R55 and the OD channel of that sounded like steel. I really loved it. Pretty much like Prince in the solo of 'I hate you'. Starts at 3:55. But my chops were worse.

What is you favorite heavy and dirty sound?

**emanresu** · 01-30-2022, 04:02 PM

both. but the tele is n.1.

**fep** · 01-30-2022, 04:09 PM

At about 3:40 of this, I like the round tone high gain.

**BigDaddyLoveHandles** · 01-30-2022, 04:13 PM

**Danil** · 01-30-2022, 04:46 PM

Initially I thought no way I can point to anything singular after all that years of listening of heavy music. But a minute later I remembered:

Some proper untamed highly propulsive dirt there

**balthazar** · 01-30-2022, 05:04 PM

Hi,

ZZ Top - Rythmeen album

**Peter C** · 01-30-2022, 06:43 PM

Without straying from jazz, Rosenwinkel, Nir Felder, Sandra Hempel, Julian Lage, to name a few, get some great "unclean" sounds.

**A. Kingstone** · 01-30-2022, 06:47 PM

Dusty's voice.

**BigDaddyLoveHandles** · 01-30-2022, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Peter C

Without straying from jazz, Rosenwinkel, Nir Felder, Sandra Hempel, Julian Lage, to name a few, get some great "unclean" sounds.

True. I love Kurt's sound on this.

**citizenk74** · 01-30-2022, 07:31 PM

My '86 PRS CU24 through my '72 50 watt Marshall Plexi on my solo album UTONIA. linked in my sig below; literally every other track*, more or less:**

Standout tracks:

04 BORN TO SING THE BLUES

10 PARTY PARTY PARTY

08 ME AND LITTLE EGYPT

14 THINGS IN THE SKY

Critique is always welcome. Have at it!

* The gainy leads are the '86 PRS, the gainy rhythm parts are the '89 Cu24 Paul picked out for me. Note: Guitar parts are doubled and hard-panned left and right. There is at any moment, a single guitar part, merely double for stereo interest.

**The exceptions are the acoustic pieces, and The Blues Place, which features my '64 Gibson ES-345 TDSV through the Marshal and my '64 Vibroverb, both set to clean tones, again in stereo.

**kris** · 01-31-2022, 03:13 AM

A bad sound is the best dirty sound.

**Christian Miller** · 01-31-2022, 06:29 AM

This comes pretty close

**Christian Miller** · 01-31-2022, 06:31 AM

Oh also this of course.

And not so much this

**Christian Miller** · 01-31-2022, 06:34 AM

But then we can’t talk about Eric and not talk about Freddie can we?

**Christian Miller** · 01-31-2022, 06:36 AM

But I suppose those are light drive tones really.

I’m not sure I like modern, heavy gain. It squishes everything. Also, if you can’t chop with low-medium gain you don’t got chops.

**Christian Miller** · 01-31-2022, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by fep

At about 3:40 of this, I like the round tone high gain.

I like Eric’s tone a lot. I don’t think he absolutely guns it on the gain in the way Vai does.

Live I have to say I found Vai’s tone to be indistinct and mushy compared to players like Clapton, Trux and so on. TBF I did hear him in quite a bad room, but the latter sound great even in questionable acoustics. Holdsworth too actually; I could hear every note.

I haven’t seen Johnson live. I do wonder how well his sound would come over in a live mix; a lot of treble roll off there (but then you could say the same of Clapton c1968)

**kris** · 01-31-2022, 07:27 AM

**Marcel_A** · 01-31-2022, 07:32 AM

Eric Johnson sounds delicious. I really like it, but when dirty I like it a bit more brutal myself.

**kris** · 01-31-2022, 07:40 AM

Little Wing's guitar solo played by Hiram Bullock from Sting album "Nothing Like The Sun"

**Peter C** · 01-31-2022, 08:20 AM

Another Dusty Springfield fan here, but anyway...

Great tone on Star of Jupiter, Big Daddy-o.

As for Clapton, it was this playing and tone that quite rightly earned him a reputation early on. He rarely got near it afterwards, IMHO.

**Danil** · 01-31-2022, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by kris

They say an aspiring one should transcribe masters to get into their mindset.
Below is my humble attempt from ~0:15 till the melody, for the sake of brevity reduced to one char per measure ('R' -- meaning 'Right' and 'S' -- well, Scofield).
I wondered if there is a system in the harmonic rhythm when you play outlandish staff and still sound great. No, I don't think I discern one

RRRRRRRR
RRRRSRSS
RRSSRRRR
RRSSSSSR
SSSRSSSR
SSSSSSRR
SSSSRRRR
SSSSRRSS
RRSSRRSS
SSSRSSRR
RRSSSSRR

**grahambop** · 01-31-2022, 10:06 AM

Albert Collins (ice pick with feedback):

**Christian Miller** · 01-31-2022, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Danil

They say an aspiring one should transcribe masters to get into their mindset.
Below is my humble attempt from ~0:15 till the melody, for the sake of brevity reduced to one char per measure ('R' -- meaning 'Right' and 'S' -- well, Scofield).
I wondered if there is a system in the harmonic rhythm when you play outlandish staff and still sound great. No, I don't think I discern one

RRRRRRRR
RRRRSRSS
RRSSRRRR
RRSSSSSR
SSSRSSSR
SSSSSSRR
SSSSRRRR
SSSSRRSS
RRSSRRSS
SSSRSSRR
RRSSSSRR

Theres a sort of an arc here in that there is more and more S in the R as it goes on, but it never goes completely S for a full 8 bar section, but the S peaks 6 - 8 lines down out of 11.

maybe you could plot S against R and find some correspondence with the Golden section lol

Never go full Scofield. Not even if you are in fact Scofield.