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    I'm guessing most of you don't have the time for this, but if you're bored here is 12tone disagreeing with the statement that today's music is bad


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    He starts with a sigh
    so therefore, must I.

    "Le sigh"... the ubiquitous "doodle dialog" style of presentation, where you know going in that you will be subjected to fast talk with quick drawing distraction accompaniment. The presenter will read a script of continuous verbal blather and draw inane images that obliquely relate, all at about twice as fast as an actual thoughtful deliberative presentation.

    Hearing the clips of the three 2021 tunes released by Grammy winning artists he admits he cherry picked, ("that all of them are doing something interesting"), was my point to bail. I consider his shining examples not only boring, not only uninteresting, but repulsive and unmusical.

    I'm not really being overly harsh. Much of the music I dearly love would be considered absolutely unlistenable to the vast majority of people. I would never try to convince them otherwise; it's still OK to "get it" or "not", no?

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    So my take is technology has replaced professional musicians, arrangers,etc...
    Try that same formula with any other business, and see how fast it gets stopped.
    With this also comes less leople involved in the proccess hence less creative input along the way.
    But if someone gets a hit this way, it's sure a lot cheaper!

    Pop Music compared to John Coltrane is basically like comparing McDonald's to 4 Star Michelin restaurant. So bad choice for comparison maybe use The Beatles early period as well as Sting and The Police early recordings.
    Both of those groups went way beyond normal Pop Music and sold albums,not so much singles.

    Today's music does SUCK! And even if it doesn't lack harmonically ,melodicly, etc.
    It lacks Synergy of musicians recording together, and or playing without a Click Track and Pro Tools sanitizing the warts,mistakes that make us relate to great musical performances.

    Rick Beato was way too kind in his critique! So for the rest of you especially in a Jazz Forum. My suggestion is first go back and listen to the great performances of Louis Armstrong up to say Weather Report. And then try listening to today's music,LOL !

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    Well that Bryan Adams reference seems purpose designed to make me feel a hundred years old.

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    Anyway Laura’s new album dropped a few weeks back


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    I left at 4:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litterick View Post
    I left at 4:38.
    The good stuff is from 5:00 to 5:30

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post

    say Weather Report. And then try listening to today's music,LOL !

    Take any group of people at any age .. Put on Weather Report and you're going to make 4 out of 5 of them miserable.



    Some of their stuff is meme like
    Last edited by Lobomov; 07-17-2021 at 05:32 AM.

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    I was reminded of the passage in W. C. Sellar and R. J. Yeatman's 1066 and All That: A Memorable History of England, in which the English Civil War was described as, 'the utterly memorable Struggle between the Cavaliers (Wrong but Wromantic) and the Roundheads (Right but Repulsive).'

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    So the Weather Report Music is TOO INTENSE? I just want to make sure I'm on a Jazz Forum again.

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    Maybe it needs more notes

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    Ariana Grande gamely trying to find the groove in the middle of a math jazz jam.

    However, that ain't Pop music these days. Traveling around town, more than half of what I hear coming out of cars is "music" with neither melody nor harmonic structure – just repetitive rhythm and ranting, angry voices. What "songs" I hear that do have a melody and harmonic content seem like the equivalent of prefab houses rather than collaborative efforts. A random singer is just inserted into the mix and usually could have been anyone.

    However, I am not the target demographic for pop music being that I'm 61. Pop music is still the prerogative of high school and college age people for the most part. What sells is what they find in some way meaningful and I am not the arbiter of that! If I was, I'd make a heck of a lot more money than I make working for a living.
    Last edited by Cunamara; 07-17-2021 at 06:47 PM.

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    Maybe interesting pop music was a brief phase, an artefact of the boomer generation. Maybe western culture has returned to normalcy. Once again, pop songs are merely trivia created by music corporations to separate teenagers from their money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litterick View Post
    Maybe interesting pop music was a brief phase, an artefact of the boomer generation. Maybe western culture has returned to normalcy. Once again, pop songs are merely trivia created by music corporations to separate teenagers from their money.
    Let's examine that statement

    Two questions:
    What exactly made the boomer generation pop music interesting?
    When exactly did pop music become trivia created by music corporations to separate teenagers from their money?

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    Boomer pop music?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Miller View Post
    Boomer pop music?
    It did top the end of the year billboard top 100 in 1969, so ... ?

    But maybe that is already to late


    The top song from 1965?

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    But sorry .. I couldn't help myself there ... I still hope someone picks up this gauntlet

    Two questions:
    What exactly made the boomer generation pop music interesting?
    When exactly did pop music become trivia created by music corporations to separate teenagers from their money?


    You see, I'd much rather go looking for newer tunes that live up to whatever the above criteria for what makes a song interesting might be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov View Post
    It did top the end of the year billboard top 100 in 1969, so ... ?

    But maybe that is already to late

    The top song from 1965?
    No, Today's Music Isn't Boring (A Response To Rick Beato)-wooly-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov View Post
    It did top the end of the year billboard top 100 in 1969, so ... ?

    But maybe that is already to late


    The top song from 1965?
    Whoa, I love "Sugar Sugar", "Wooly Bully" AND John Coltrane. And Bach for that matter. Don't be L7. ;o)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkRhodes View Post
    Whoa, I love "Sugar Sugar", "Wooly Bully" AND John Coltrane. And Bach for that matter. Don't be L7. ;o)

    Hey hey .. Never said that I don't like boomer music ..


    Question for you Mark

    Is this song an example of how great the music of those times was or is it a shining example of how shitty it was?



    (It's both, right? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov View Post
    Hey hey .. Never said that I don't like boomer music ..


    Question for you Mark

    Is this song an example of how great the music of those times was or is it a shining example of how shitty it was?



    (It's both, right? )
    O, man, I hadn't heard that song in years. A must-know guitar riff in my youth.
    Maybe it is both!
    Another long song: "Time Has Come Today" by The Chambers Brothers.

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    Thanks for posting Wooly Bully.

    The reservoir of great popular music from those happy bygone days is bottomless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov View Post
    Two questions:
    What exactly made the boomer generation pop music interesting?
    When exactly did pop music become trivia created by music corporations to separate teenagers from their money?
    1. For the most part it isn't. Is "Baby Let's Play House" really that much more interesting musically than "Oops I Did It Again"? On the other hand, some of the late 60s stuff like Jefferson Airplane was actually interesting. A psychedelic rock hit based on a bolero?

    2. When rock and roll was found to sell millions of records fast. So maybe "Rocket 88" by Ike Turner and the Kings of Rhythm (under a pseudonym) in 1951?

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    Point is there's tons of crap music in all generations, it's just that I can't find any good music in the last 10 years or the invention of YouTube and lack of actual musicians that are involved in making it.

    I will say Dirty Loops is probably one of the only ones. But even then it doesn't verge on say Heavy Weather by Zawinul and Company.

    I keep saying this adnaseum, but Music has become mainly a visual medium and less an audio one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov View Post
    Take any group of people at any age .. Put on Weather Report and you're going to make 4 out of 5 of them miserable.



    Some of their stuff is meme like
    I found them increasingly pompous and bombastic after the 1st few albums. Wayne Shorter was wasted in that group, and probably too humble to go toe-to-toe with the towering ego of Zawinul (the pomposity puppeteer in the group).

    I admit that Zawinul's unlikeability interferes with my enjoyment of the group---and that shouldn't be. But those banks of keyboards; the looping on Birdland; the battle of egos it became, like a jazz Cream...

    For the record he WAS a great talent, player and writer. I just heard more humility and musicality in the Cannonball/Soulmates period. But he ate Weather Report whole...