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    So I've been playing professionally for 43 years as my main job. In that time by playing all sorts of styles and different types venues from concerts,clubs, radio, t.v., churches, casinos, record dates, jingles,etc.
    Covering everything from Muddy Waters to Frank Sinatra, Merle Haggard, to Bob Marley, Z.Z. Top to Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, etc.

    When I started out in the mid to late 1970s Disco was just coming in, but Weather Report, John McGlaughlin, were also at their height popularity wise.
    Now we have computer generated Pop and free downloads as well as weekend warriors who take up club dates as a hobby.

    I feel sorry for any serious musician who still is trying to chase it as a profession.
    I've often bemoaned how anyone can hardly survive even teaching with all the free lessons available, no jingles, or venues that pay any longer.
    I don't think anyone who is not in the business truly understands how this affects the ultimate quality of Music.
    People keep saying how great it is to be able to share everything and collaborate, etc. And that music is actually better.

    My answer is no doubt there are some fantastic young musicians like Dirty Loops. But technology has gotten so into music that it sanitized and corrects everything like it's Robot. Where are the Bernard Purdie, Ray Brown, Cornell Dupree, Larry Carlton, Soulful grooves that permeated so many great albums and hits?

    Since music has become so soulless and grooveless imo, I have no longer interest in listening. And this is true of Jazz, Country,Pop, Rock, etc.
    All of the great bands from The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Hendrix,The Police, as well as Merle Haggard, Conway Twitty, Geroge Jones, had Soul and Feel!

    Now what passes for it is music school graduates imitating Prince imitating James Brown etc. Very Sad what actual input of real musicians in the Music has become!

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    At risk of poking the bear:
    No one is saying it's better now. There are certainly lots of neat things you can do with technology. But, no one is saying it's better.
    No one thinks free downloads are good for artists.

    Who is saying music is better?

    Who is this post for?

    Are you hoping there is some new member to the board who hasn't read all your other threads on this topic?


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    The kids might be. It goes without saying that every generation is "the best". Just ask 'em.

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    I actually think for musicians there was a Golden Era. When musicians actually were involved in the creative process . But for those of you who were never able to be part of that process, it probably doesn't matter.

    My point in this thread is we are at a very sad state of affairs when Music is produced by non music people on computers for just sales or efficiency.
    The Wal-Mart model does not work in the creative arts.

    I never became a musician to be to a Rock Star, just a better musician. And when all of the great Music of all genres lives in a past tense, that's incredibly sad!
    I really can't name any song of any genre that will actually become a standard of repertoire from the last 10 to 20 years!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    I actually think for musicians there was a Golden Era. When musicians actually were involved in the creative process . But for those of you who were never able to be part of that process, it probably doesn't matter.

    My point in this thread is we are at a very sad state of affairs when Music is produced by non music people on computers for just sales or efficiency.
    The Wal-Mart model does not work in the creative arts.

    I never became a musician to be to a Rock Star, just a better musician. And when all of the great Music of all genres lives in a past tense, that's incredibly sad!
    I really can't name any song of any genre that will actually become a standard of repertoire from the last 10 to 20 years!
    She just turned 18 years old;



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    You made this thread before .. and that was an epic thread btw


    Yeah, not fan of the everything getting corrected and quantisized either ... The apperance of Beat Inspector around 2000 was a disaster for anything groove.


    But as as a living .. stuff comes and goes all the time ... Once we had a lot of people working as typesetters to take an absurd example. C'est la vie


    Hope you're doing good and can survive well til the end Jads .... and the young? .. Let them worry. They'll probably do good anyways .. Usually they do ... Maybe they'll pass on doing music and maybe they won't .. Who knows?


    Cheers Jads

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    I'm not hearing good melodies often enough. 80's music was goofy but it had melodies. I hear good vocals. Naturally musicians are bigger stronger faster and more robotic. It's evolution.
    Like BB King said- melody is the common link between all music.

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    More about jazz:
    Is there any young jazz musician who could compete with Coltrane?
    Don't worry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris
    More about jazz:
    Is there any young jazz musician who could compete with Coltrane?
    Don't worry!
    How the hell does one "compete" in Jazz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Half-trick pony
    How the hell does one "compete" in Jazz?
    how the hell does one hang out at a jazz forum without ever having heard of a cutting session?



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    Oh well, then maybe we need more of that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    how the hell does one hang out at a jazz forum without ever having heard of a cutting session?


    the drummer is playing time correct- no freaking ride cymbal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    So I've been playing professionally for 43 years as my main job. In that time by playing all sorts of styles and different types venues from concerts,clubs, radio, t.v., churches, casinos, record dates, jingles,etc.
    Covering everything from Muddy Waters to Frank Sinatra, Merle Haggard, to Bob Marley, Z.Z. Top to Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, etc.

    When I started out in the mid to late 1970s Disco was just coming in, but Weather Report, John McGlaughlin, were also at their height popularity wise.
    Now we have computer generated Pop and free downloads as well as weekend warriors who take up club dates as a hobby.

    I feel sorry for any serious musician who still is trying to chase it as a profession.
    I've often bemoaned how anyone can hardly survive even teaching with all the free lessons available, no jingles, or venues that pay any longer.
    I don't think anyone who is not in the business truly understands how this affects the ultimate quality of Music.
    People keep saying how great it is to be able to share everything and collaborate, etc. And that music is actually better.

    My answer is no doubt there are some fantastic young musicians like Dirty Loops. But technology has gotten so into music that it sanitized and corrects everything like it's Robot. Where are the Bernard Purdie, Ray Brown, Cornell Dupree, Larry Carlton, Soulful grooves that permeated so many great albums and hits?

    Since music has become so soulless and grooveless imo, I have no longer interest in listening. And this is true of Jazz, Country,Pop, Rock, etc.
    All of the great bands from The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Hendrix,The Police, as well as Merle Haggard, Conway Twitty, Geroge Jones, had Soul and Feel!

    Now what passes for it is music school graduates imitating Prince imitating James Brown etc. Very Sad what actual input of real musicians in the Music has become!
    Well I don't know Jads. I am only 70 so I guess there is still a lot for me to discover!

    Stay well.

    Cheers

    TLB

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    TLB, this threads for you.

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    Tonight I spent time on the electric telephone with an old friend from days of yore, we talked of musicians we had known and/or played with. One name came up that I had to search for and in the process came up with this "colorful" review of what was then my local watering hole:

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    As a basically homeless 16-year old in 1966 I earned whatever I could in various places. One was Frank Traynor's 291 Club in Melbourne. This ran after hours on Friday and Saturday nights when the folk club had closed and the various band members needed somewhere to relax after gigs. My job was to keep serving them "Black Death" - a mixture of claret and coke that became more coke and less claret as the hours went on. I met and heard some of the best musicians I have ever known in that place! [also some of the closest friends I know until this day]. The various youth gangs of those days could be united in only one thing - their hatred of Jazz - and so things became "tricky" at times.

    With that in mind I am far from disposed to criticize any young [or old or whatever age] people who get together to make any form of music, no matter how far I am from comprehending or appreciating it. What matters is that it moves them.

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    To call it "Dostoyevskyan" may do it a slight dis-service. On one night a patron at the bar was fatally stabbed and taken to hospital by "persons unknown". The police of course descended and shut the place down with everybody inside until they had given statements. One enterprising local had in the meantime bought up cartons of takeaway booze that he proceeded to sell to the trapped patrons at an outrageous markup. He was even heard complaining loudly to the "jacks" when the lockdown ended that he still had beer to sell.

    Don't know if we could get away with this in modern Australia - and probably never in anytime USA. But all in the spirit of personal enterprise <<G>>

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg View Post
    how the hell does one hang out at a jazz forum without ever having heard of a cutting session?


    Looks like Ron Carter on bass....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive View Post
    the drummer is playing time correct- no freaking ride cymbal!
    that's only because he threw it at bird...

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    Good discussion fellows on all sides! I started this again from my viewpoint at my age and as a pro musician who's always loved Jazz.
    To me music that Grooves and has human interaction is what moves me.
    So that can be any genre as well, even Pop.

    When it became drum machines and Pro Tools, it became too robotic. Actual songs are not jingles or music sound tracks which depend on the exact clock.
    So when Prince and Michael Jackson became huge in the 1980s Pop embraced this rigid formula, which basically affected all music genres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    Good discussion fellows on all sides! I started this again from my viewpoint at my age and as a pro musician who's always loved Jazz.
    To me music that Grooves and has human interaction is what moves me.
    So that can be any genre as well, even Pop.

    When it became drum machines and Pro Tools, it became too robotic. Actual songs are not jingles or music sound tracks which depend on the exact clock.
    So when Prince and Michael Jackson became huge in the 1980s Pop embraced this rigid formula, which basically affected all music genres.
    I don't see how it had to do with them. Prince used drum machines but recorded to tape.

    I think popular music went from being about melody to being about rhythm.

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    Hi, Jads,
    Art reflects the culture. Simple. Music began a serious decline, IMO, in the late 70's/80's. Jazz Clubs disappeared, live music was replaced with sophisticated sound systems and DJ's, and Jazzers became technical phenoms with graduate degrees in Jazz and cut their chops ,later, in 2005 on Youtube. For me, the greatest factor in this decline was the disappearance of venues for live music where working musicians could make a meager living and hone their skills. I doubt we'll ever see a reversal in this reality. Less than 1.4% of America's population listens to Jazz music. Play live . . . Marinero

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    There is always good music out there, you just have to know where to find it. Yes there is not the jazz scene or folk scene or whatever there once was. Yes top 100 music is full of dreck.

    My main beef with "music these days" is that no one bothers with melody anymore. There aren't any songs, only beats or sad grooves.

    That said, there are great musicians and singers and songwriters out there. Jeff Tweedy and Wilco, Chris Thile and his fellow neo-grassians, Jason Isbell, Brittney Howard and the Alabama Shakes, Brandy Carlisle, Donny McCaslin, Ben Monder, Julian Lage--that's off the top of my head.

    The problem from an analytic point of view is that music is so fragmented these days. Top 100 really is the scum that rises to the top--not that every single artist who's very popular is untalented, but just that the overarching effect of Top 100 is mind-numbing in its uniformity and lack of imagination.

    So to get to those gems you have to pan a lot of mud as it were. Frustrating, but you can't stay locked in the past. There are a lot of younger artists who deserve to be heard.

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    "My main beef with "music these days" is that no one bothers with melody anymore. There aren't any songs, only beats or sad grooves." DoctorJeff

    Nice post, DJ! And, your above quote is the symptom of the disease: Anyone with a vocal range of a Fifth who can bang out three chords on a guitar and mimic a harlequin in dress can potentially be a star. The audience level is low. Why should there be anything else?
    Play live . . . Marinero

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    The demise of jazz clubs tends to come up here often but live music is live music.

    I'm optimistic about where things are headed. Gen Z California girls are on the move. Not just to Las Vegas...
    Sorry. Couldn't resist that one.

    Taylor Swift deserves a lot of credit for inspiring young women to get things done efficiently. I'm expecting to hear more interesting music on the charts in the coming years.

    Whether that filters down to live music, I don't know. Even further to jazz, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff View Post
    There is always good music out there, you just have to know where to find it. Yes there is not the jazz scene or folk scene or whatever there once was. Yes top 100 music is full of dreck.

    My main beef with "music these days" is that no one bothers with melody anymore. There aren't any songs, only beats or sad grooves.

    That said, there are great musicians and singers and songwriters out there. Jeff Tweedy and Wilco, Chris Thile and his fellow neo-grassians, Jason Isbell, Brittney Howard and the Alabama Shakes, Brandy Carlisle, Donny McCaslin, Ben Monder, Julian Lage--that's off the top of my head.

    The problem from an analytic point of view is that music is so fragmented these days. Top 100 really is the scum that rises to the top--not that every single artist who's very popular is untalented, but just that the overarching effect of Top 100 is mind-numbing in its uniformity and lack of imagination.

    So to get to those gems you have to pan a lot of mud as it were. Frustrating, but you can't stay locked in the past. There are a lot of younger artists who deserve to be heard.
    Neo-grassians isn't really fair to younger musicians. What's so great about the rigidity of the old school? Bluegrass fiddle can be too sleazy or too exact.
    I think she gets it just right here;


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    Well I think a good model for a modern musician is Billy Strings. Don't know if you guys know him or follow him, but he's posting on Facebook about darn near every day. Plays as much as he can, every festival he can, and streams live performances on a regular basis. Molly Tuttle is also another good example (as close as you'll get to Doc Watson since Doc passed away).

    They're not waiting for clubs to open up or people to buy their records (well I'm sure they appreciate the CD and merch and ticket sales), they go out to the audience. That's the future, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.

    Great, great flattop player. Looking forward to seeing him one of these days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff View Post
    Well I think a good model for a modern musician is Billy Strings. Don't know if you guys know him or follow him, but he's posting on Facebook about darn near every day. Plays as much as he can, every festival he can, and streams live performances on a regular basis. Molly Tuttle is also another good example (as close as you'll get to Doc Watson since Doc passed away).

    They're not waiting for clubs to open up or people to buy their records (well I'm sure they appreciate the CD and merch and ticket sales), they go out to the audience. That's the future, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.

    Great, great flattop player. Looking forward to seeing him one of these days.

    Oh yeah. I picked up on both about a month ago. They great. You can jump in right away if you know the songs/chords. She's a California girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    So when Prince and Michael Jackson became huge in the 1980s Pop embraced this rigid formula, which basically affected all music genres.
    Are you suggesting Prince and Michael Jackson didn't groove?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol View Post
    Oh yeah. I picked up on both about a month ago. They great. You can jump in right away if you know the songs/chords. She's a California girl.
    Yes but she went to Berklee and moved to Nashville after that. Another California expat.

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    No Prince and Michael Jackson both grooved, but it was way more technical and stiff imo. Go and listen to James Brown "Payback", "Cold Sweat" or Bill Withers
    "Use Me" Even any Bernard Purdie track.
    To me the Linn Drum Machine ruined the feel of the overall feel. It became to precise and lacked human interaction. Plus it was the basement everything else
    was built upon.

    Pop Music became more Theatrical and about production visually as well as technically with Prince and Michael Jackson. To me its like visiting animated Disney vs. Real Animals.

    Not being a Bluegrass fan, I don't have a dog in that fight. But I do like Clarence White as well as Nickel Creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff View Post
    Yes but she went to Berklee and moved to Nashville after that. Another California expat.
    I wouldn't hold it against her. I would imagine Olivia Rodrigo and Bahari will stick around California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff View Post
    Yes but she went to Berklee and moved to Nashville after that. Another California expat.
    That's career related. It's not like the countless economic refugees leaving. There's a lot of tension the last year because of it.
    I'm not going to turn into an old anti-social prick. There are a lot of mind games right now.

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    Maybe the problem with "music these days" is a divergence between "creative" and "derivative".

    Music has a derivative component (looking back or reflecting the influence of the past, a nod to authenticity) and a creative component (the new sound, blazing a trail). These components must converge and complement within the composing phase to result in good music of all types. This is one of the primary challenges of music composers - finding the right balance between old and new.

    Music these days sounds like it is losing the musicianship and composing talent to form and hold musical convergence; the components don't support each other so the derivative aspects have a "slapped together made by machine" vibe. The creative aspects seem to be increasingly focusing on more nonmusical oriented stuff - the "artist's" story, look, cred, attitude, clothing, etc.

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    I haven't read the thread but I get the sentiment. But then there's Jacob Collier who uses technology brilliantly and has the talent and chops to use them. I think listening to him has restored my faith in thje younger generations. Snarky Puppy, Emmet Cohen, Chad L.

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    Jacob Collier is an excellent musician. But I always find when one person does it all, it lacks the synergy of different voices having conversations. And those different converging views are what makes music great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    Jacob Collier is an excellent musician. But I always find when one person does it all, it lacks the synergy of different voices having conversations. And those different converging views are what makes music great!
    He has groups and has performed with Snarky Puppy and the Metropole Orchestra. He's too talented to fully pigeon hole.

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    He's more than an excellent musician. He's a frigging genius.

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    Jacob Collier and Snarky Puppy present no threat to the pop-industrial complex. Of that we can be certain.

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    Back in the 80s, I worked with a drummer who had a number one hit record in the 70s and made enough money to buy his father a house. He would've made more, but his partner in the band screwed him out of the publishing rights.
    He told me the music biz is 95% IMAGE and 5% music.
    Today I think it's 100% image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litterick View Post
    Jacob Collier and Snarky Puppy present no threat to the pop-industrial complex. Of that we can be certain.
    I thought we were talking about general talent and musicality of the current scene. That's what I get for not reading the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgcim View Post
    Back in the 80s, I worked with a drummer who had a number one hit record in the 70s and made enough money to buy his father a house. He would've made more, but his partner in the band screwed him out of the publishing rights.
    He told me the music biz is 95% IMAGE and 5% music.
    Today I think it's 100% image.
    I got screwed out of 2.3 million dollars but I destroyed band residencies in the far east in the process.

    I'd do it again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litterick View Post
    Jacob Collier and Snarky Puppy present no threat to the pop-industrial complex. Of that we can be certain.
    That's true but Olivia Rodrigo is different level;


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    She's going to f@ck up the music business like Nirvana and NWA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    No Prince and Michael Jackson both grooved, but it was way more technical and stiff imo. Go and listen to James Brown "Payback", "Cold Sweat" or Bill Withers
    "Use Me" Even any Bernard Purdie track.
    To me the Linn Drum Machine ruined the feel of the overall feel. It became to precise and lacked human interaction. Plus it was the basement everything else
    was built upon.

    Pop Music became more Theatrical and about production visually as well as technically with Prince and Michael Jackson. To me its like visiting animated Disney vs. Real Animals.

    Not being a Bluegrass fan, I don't have a dog in that fight. But I do like Clarence White as well as Nickel Creek.
    The Linn Drum was designed by and made for drummers. This is a stock track programmed by the drummer of Tower of Power. The real drummer duplicated the track;



    The Time was a steps band. Prince, Cameo, a number of others. They used drum machines extensively. A lot of people did in the studio. Then they'd get a real drummer for tours.
    I'm not sure Micheal Jackson used drum machines very much;

    Jonathan Moffett - Wikipedia

    If you start questioning the judicious use of tech in music, someone else will come along and say forget that, I'm going to do whatever to make some money. Drum machines and sequencing were issues in the 80's.

    I don't like where we are with live music. Bands still exist but it will never be the same.

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    Snarkey Puppy is a great example of what I'm talking about on the newer Hip Bands. Excellent musicianship overall, but feels like an All Star Berklee or North Texas band that never really gigged for a living!
    All the right Hip Licks and Chops, but no Personality for me.

    If you want a great band that does both The Brecker Bros. Different versions bring it! Even EWF has more Danger in their playing!
    Where's the Blood as John McGlaughlin has so eloquently said. Chops without taking chances is boring! That's why I loved Jeff Beck when I was a kid. Same e with John McGlaughlin, they are dangerous trailblazing musicians!

    Birelli Lagrene is another one who like Jaco takes lots of chances. That's exciting and not like another Hollywood Blockbuster which is so fake.

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    I didn't really take the OP to be about jazz or jazzers. Jazz and classical players will still be good, albeit few in number.


    But pop? The OP could have been written in 1979, it's just that it's much worse now. Disco transformed music into something akin to "blaring sound to support your pathetic unsexy dancing while you desperately try to get laid", lol. It was then that "music" became repetitous, throbbing, dreck. Rap followed, then hip-hop.

    Setting compositional form aside for a minute, the three main elements of western music are harmony, melody, and ryhthm. Two of the three have been allowed to decay into a rotting, slimy, stench.

    Whew! I feel better now. I guess I really can't offer anything more than that, except perhaps - get off my lawn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    Snarkey Puppy is a great example of what I'm talking about on the newer Hip Bands. Excellent musicianship overall, but feels like an All Star Berklee or North Texas band that never really gigged for a living!
    All the right Hip Licks and Chops, but no Personality for me.

    If you want a great band that does both The Brecker Bros. Different versions bring it! Even EWF has more Danger in their playing!
    Where's the Blood as John McGlaughlin has so eloquently said. Chops without taking chances is boring! That's why I loved Jeff Beck when I was a kid. Same e with John McGlaughlin, they are dangerous trailblazing musicians!

    Birelli Lagrene is another one who like Jaco takes lots of chances. That's exciting and not like another Hollywood Blockbuster which is so fake.
    I don't have a single Snarky album but I think they're great. I think they write and play with heart, creativity and imagination. That's all I look for in a nutshell. Regarding TOP and EWF agreed, but I thought the conversation was about today. The OP (you?) mentioned Dirty Loops as one of the few he liked I think? I was responding to that. And the Brecker Bros sound like they came out of a music school too.

    I find it weird that we put conditions on what we like. That limits what we will HEAR and see in a work of art rather than just groking what the artist has to say. Like, "Well he's good and writes great music but I can only listen to guitar players who play Gibsons." I think Snarky Puppy did come from North Texas State? Why would that be a criticism? They kick butt regardless. I don't care if they met at symphony hall or were all teachers in high school.

    I just dig great music however it comes. There's so little of it today, all things considered. My biggest musical hero, Chick Corea, had it all laid out. Great composer, great player, great leader. I didn't like everything he wrote but damn, that musical mind something to behold.

    But I had been worried for sometime that music and young musicians were sacrificing production with DAWS at the alter of MUSIC and losing the ability to play and actually UNDERSTAND music and it's construction. That's why when I heard Jacob Collier, this young brilliant soul, that we were in good hands. I'm not concerned at all about pop music. Pop music has ALWAYS been mostly treacle with certain high and low points.
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    I remember my 7th grade music teacher, Ms. Fanning.

    She said OK class, popular music isn't bad!

    We listened to a song by Judy Collins and went over the lyrics. Then a song by Elton John. It was about suicide.
    I thought, OK Ms. Fanning. Popular music doesn't suck sometimes.