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  1. #126

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    So most pro orchestral musicians are facing a similar crisis. Why? Because the old money which use to fund them has moved to Sports private boxes.
    The younger folks who are the wheeler dealers do their deals now at Sports venues.

    They also have to compete with musicians from lesser paid countries as well. With the advent of live stream,etc. They are used for studio sessions, live music shows ,etc.
    Much like tech help being staffed nowadays. Always a race to the bottom and a profit for the few at the top.

    All I can say for sure is they've killed the Goose that played the Golden Egg!

    Serious question:
    Why does any of this matter. I mean off course .. If you're struggling and in need .. then sure .. I wish the best for you personally and hope you're doing well!

    But music as a whole .. why give a damn?

    Each generation must find it's own way ... You had a great life playing music, why not enjoy that you had this privilege instead of lamenting that other won't have the same privilege as you?

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    Lol. This is why I didn't want to go to LA and be an R&B rhythm specialist.
    He's definitely a great guitar player. He can even polish a turd like 'Beat It'. There might be 3 guitar players on it. I forgot.

    LA always finds a way to stay in the game whether there's substance to it or not. Good singers who wouldn't alter their technique would bow out before the later rounds on American Idol.
    Nice booties in LA. Pretty faces in San Francisco. I love that map.

    Industry 'plants' will cross paths with LA. Post Malone is a plant. Now people are saying Olivia Rodrigo is. Duh. Of course she is but that doesn't mean she doesn't have great potential. She's still just a kid.
    Lukather is a California kid but he got where he is based on merit. He can play.

    Don't look at me. I'm not in LA churning out dinky guitar parts for a bunch of Prince wannabees. I'd rather do nothing.
    California isn't an attractive place for outsiders now. It's hard to knock it when your economy is based on vice like in Las Vegas. Who are we to judge too harshly.

    California needs to go back to the days of Laurel Canyon and Cass Elliot. It starts with singers and songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol
    Lol. This is why I didn't want to go to LA and be an R&B rhythm specialist.
    He's definitely a great guitar player. He can even polish a turd like 'Beat It'. There might be 3 guitar players on it. I forgot.


    Don't look at me. I'm not in LA churning out dinky guitar parts for a bunch of Prince wannabees. .
    Just 2. Lukather played everything, except for the solo which Eddie Van Halen played. EVH and Luke were close friends.

    "Prince wannabes"... are you talking about TODAY? Because if you're talking about today, I agree. But back then- in the 80s- it was golden era for studio guys. Yes they had to play on a bunch of crap, but they also got to work with the most amazing pop/rock artists of the day. There are alot worse ways to make a living than coming up with (as in WRITING) guitar parts for the likes of Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney, Don Henley, the list goes on and on and on.... I was in the grocery store the other day, and Lionel Richie's "Running With the Night" came on, and my mind flashed forward to a KILLER solo I remembered the song having... and I thought "it was probably Lukather". Then it got to the solo section and it was definitely Lukather. I looked it up when I got home.

    Not a bad way to make a living, indeed. Plus of course he had TOTO, which has been touring the world since then...

    The last 20 years, Nashville seems to be the place for those kinds of players. But not sure how much longer that will last, as that place is now so homogenized I'm not sure it matters who plays on stuff anymore- anybody can lay down a rock guitar solo on a "country" song with rock drums in 4/4 With fiddle put on there to justify calling it "country".

  5. #129

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    Re: Lukather I had an epiphany the other day when I realised why I kind of found him a bit of a generic player.

    It’s cos he was on all the records. Duh.

    Same reason I think Brecker had a bit of standard sax tone haha

  6. #130

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9
    Just 2. Lukather played everything, except for the solo which Eddie Van Halen played. EVH and Luke were close friends.

    "Prince wannabes"... are you talking about TODAY? Because if you're talking about today, I agree. But back then- in the 80s- it was golden era for studio guys. Yes they had to play on a bunch of crap, but they also got to work with the most amazing pop/rock artists of the day. There are alot worse ways to make a living than coming up with (as in WRITING) guitar parts for the likes of Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney, Don Henley, the list goes on and on and on.... I was in the grocery store the other day, and Lionel Richie's "Running With the Night" came on, and my mind flashed forward to a KILLER solo I remembered the song having... and I thought "it was probably Lukather". Then it got to the solo section and it was definitely Lukather. I looked it up when I got home.

    Not a bad way to make a living, indeed. Plus of course he had TOTO, which has been touring the world since then...

    The last 20 years, Nashville seems to be the place for those kinds of players. But not sure how much longer that will last, as that place is now so homogenized I'm not sure it matters who plays on stuff anymore- anybody can lay down a rock guitar solo on a "country" song with rock drums in 4/4 With fiddle put on there to justify calling it "country".
    Yes. I didn't want to go to LA and I didn't want to commercialize rap. I took a 6 month steps gig overseas then left CA. That was a waste of time but there's some tradition there. You'll get tight working 60 hours a week in a club for months.
    California is the land of opportunity in music. You'll probably get a chance to do something. Try not to lose your mind.

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    Los Angeles is Hollywood! It's only about selling dreams and whatever it takes do to do that IS what matters. When they needed musicians with skills it was better.
    But it still was the same.
    Unfortunately with Facebook and You Tube we have Hollyweird everywhere now. And what we now call INFLUECERS, LOL !

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    Drum machines are the worst right?


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    I understand the calculating songwriters try to include the millennial whoop in their melodies as often as possible often using the oh oh oh syllables into boring unremarkable music dictated by big record companies. I played a lot of retirement centers and we think the Charlie Christian Benny Goodman swing music is some of the finest to ever come down the pike.But they young when that was new. People like music they can associate with other good events in their lives such as being young and not what previous generations liked whatever the quality subjective or objective.

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    I meant but they were young when that was new.Too much millennial whoop going on on my television set. Sorry.

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    Millennial whoop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    Los Angeles is Hollywood! It's only about selling dreams and whatever it takes do to do that IS what matters. When they needed musicians with skills it was better.
    But it still was the same.
    Unfortunately with Facebook and You Tube we have Hollyweird everywhere now. And what we now call INFLUECERS, LOL !
    California is awesome. I loved it. It's a little edgy sometimes.

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    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol


    Interesting.
    I've never heard of that term. I do recognize that melody though.

    But it's not like the Blues didn't reuse ideas. Or even "the lick" in Jazz.

    I suppose it's more acceptable in an improvised line compared to writing it down for a chorus.

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    Like I've said before music is being produced by one or two people nowadays. And usually neither has any serious musician background. The Bean Counters are in total control because they now realize people don't care about actual music.
    As long as they can sell it to more people for less investments.

    And this is why todays Entertainment is so shallow.

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    Remember how deep music use to be?



    Although, it is pretty shameful that they couldn't hire real backup singers. They just had Patti sing over her own vocals using the latest in recording technology.

    And think of all the castrati that Mr Seville put out of work!!

    It's all been down hill since Les Paul starting messing about with technologies. Imagine a whole record recorded at home with only one musician. More like "less" Paul is needed.

    And to think of how few people wrote music back then. How many hits did Lieber and Stoller have?

    And don't get me started on the wrecking crew (or Motown, or Staxx). Imagine hiring the same session musicians over and over again instead of letting young musicians have the opportunity to play on their own records.
    Record companies should have given them the opportunity to grow.

    #sad

    Things were so much better.... Whenever...

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    As the resident pop troll around here I'm usually right about trends. Contrived romance is the new thing. It's not entirely contrived but nothing is what it seems in pop culture.
    Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo. Taylor is still young but she's made a huge impact.

  18. #142

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol
    As the resident pop troll around here I'm usually right about trends. Contrived romance is the new thing. It's not entirely contrived but nothing is what it seems in pop culture.
    Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo. Taylor is still young but she's made a huge impact.
    Yep! They play the "whoop" tunes at the health club (mercifully no music in the pool area). First time I noticed it was some song encouraging loose encounters (contrived romance) and my impression was that the whoop was a musical lyrical euphemism for sexy sounds - moaning, a squeaky bed, the Doppler effect of oscillatory motion...

    Or maybe just the newest derivative of this...


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    Quote Originally Posted by pauln
    Yep! They play the "whoop" tunes at the health club (mercifully no music in the pool area). First time I noticed it was some song encouraging loose encounters (contrived romance) and my impression was that the whoop was a musical lyrical euphemism for sexy sounds - moaning, a squeaky bed, the Doppler effect of oscillatory motion...

    Or maybe just the newest derivative of this...

    Besides the Millennial whoop there's the Millennial rap comedy.

  20. #144
    No doubt there was always Crap Music in every generation! My poi t was when it still had musicians involved in the process, they made even crap music better!
    The Monkees is a great example of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    No doubt there was always Crap Music in every generation! My poi t was when it still had musicians involved in the process, they made even crap music better!
    The Monkees is a great example of that.
    The Monkees made some great music. Some of it was even written and performed by them!

    I think I have posted elsewhere about how great the songwriting and production was in the mid-late-60's and 1970's. Even fairly mundane pop songs like Brandy or Spill the Wine or Ventura Highway had great melodies, interesting lyrics, great musicianship and a great sound.

    Let's face it--I'm a child of the 70's. Give me 15 years back and forward from that period and I'll be good in the afterlife.

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    I don't think that was your point.

    "Now what passes for it is music school graduates imitating Prince imitating James Brown etc. Very Sad what actual input of real musicians in the Music has become!"

    Music is still made by musicians. By the very definition of musician. If they are making the music they are musicians.

    You said you have no interest in contemporary music. Which is fine for the people making music. They have no interest in you. You are not the target demographic. Don't be upset that Pampers aren't comfortable on you. They aren't supposed to be.

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    If you complain about the music of today, someone will reply,
    "Great music is still being made, you just have to look for it".
    But that's part of what the complaining is about; back when,
    you didn't have to look for it, it was continuously everywhere .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauln
    If you complain about the music of today, someone will reply,
    "Great music is still being made, you just have to look for it".
    But that's part of what the complaining is about; back when,
    you didn't have to look for it, it was continuously everywhere .

    If you ask my teenage kids they will tell you the exact opposite.

    You know ... There actually have been claims that your music taste is formed in your teenage years and follows you the rest of your life. I don't know if that could mean something in this discussion tho?


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    Do I need to post Patti Page again?

    The "problem" today is there WAY more music being produced. And very little is aimed at you.

    Parents complained about the influence of R'n'B into their children's music. The kids loved it.
    In the past 30 years parents have been complaining about the influence of hip hop. Kids love it.

    There are niche markets and sub genres for everyone.

    Me personally, I haven't liked much pop music from any period. Most of the stuff I have enjoyed over the years has had very little mainstream love. That is not an attempt to sound snobby or elitist.
    Last edited by Littlemark; 04-22-2021 at 06:15 PM.

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    Clearly music changed after 1990. There were less groups. Outside of Whitney Houston I can’t think of many top musicians during that period. Then technology changed too. Who’d have thought there would come a day whereby one could go to a place like YouTube and download any music for free.