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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    Rodrigo is good. Even Beato likes her haha.

    However is anyone else a bit tired of pop stars taking over the NPR Tiny Desk concerts? I mean that’s were all the nerdy proper musos like Chris Thile and Anna Meredith are meant to hang out and now it’s Demi Lovato (who I don’t hate) sounding a wee bit pitch corrected to me.
    The UK has singers. The US has dancers. I'm guessing the tide will turn in the US. Producers will have to get better.
    Bands are still screwed.
    Last edited by Stevebol; 04-16-2021 at 04:48 PM.

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    Michael Gira and the latest incarnation of Swans still going strong


    Iran has a happening electronic music scene


    Khruangbin is a hip act from my hometown, Houston

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    You're preaching to the choir jads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    Rodrigo is good. Even Beato likes her haha.

    However is anyone else a bit tired of pop stars taking over the NPR Tiny Desk concerts? I mean that’s were all the nerdy proper musos like Chris Thile and Anna Meredith are meant to hang out and now it’s Demi Lovato (who I don’t hate) sounding a wee bit pitch corrected to me.
    She'll be all grown up in 3 years. We can go on a Disney approved gambling date.

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    I only listen to player rolls from Scott Joplin. Ever since the wax Revolution the fidelity can not be matched from a real piano in the room with me. Though it's tough to jog with the piano on my back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    I'm only pointing out that technology has changed not only how we listen to music but how it's affected the actual music being made and not for the better imo.
    This is an opinion. There is no better or worse. It is all preference. Gregorian chant is not better or worse than Brittany Spears. They serve different purposes.
    Last edited by Littlemark; 04-18-2021 at 11:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlemark
    This opinion. There is no better or worse. It is all preference. Gregorian chant is not better or worse than Brittany Spears. They serve different purposes.
    That is of course also an opinion. What do you base it on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlemark
    This opinion. There is no better or worse. It is all preference. Gregorian chant is not better or worse than Brittany Spears.
    Or the traffic noise outside my window, for that matter

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    I don't think my statement is an opinion.

    Brittany Spears songs are created to help you dance.

    Gregorian chants were created as a meditative prayer. Not great dancing music. IMHO.

    They serve different purposes.

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    My tangent of the day...

    Reduced pollution in the last year will produce a generation of musicians with better hearing.
    Last edited by Stevebol; 04-18-2021 at 12:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol
    My tangent of the day...

    Reduced pollution in the last year will produce a generation of musicians with better hearing.
    That is of course also an opinion. What do you base it on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlemark
    That is of course also an opinion. What do you base it on?
    Things are getting back to 'normal' if there is such a thing but pollution was greatly reduced at the start of the lock downs. How could it not effect music?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlemark
    This is an opinion. There is no better or worse. It is all preference. Gregorian chant is not better or worse than Brittany Spears. They serve different purposes.
    Brittany Spears; specialising in hurdy Gurdy versions of late 90s/early 00s pop hits. It’s niche but it might just work.. could be huge on the festival circuit once that opens up.

    My last venture, the rap metal/Chaabi crossover project Rage Against the Tagine, was found to be ‘Problematic.’

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    I get that even great composers of the past even disliked others works at times. My point is now that music has been coopted by technology allowing non musicians to compete financially. Music or compositions suffer especially the harmonic part.
    I can't think of one other profession where amateurs are allowed to be viewed in the same equal way? Sports, Medicine, Lawyers, IT, Plumbers, Carpenters, Bankers, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    Freind if you can't tell or hear the difference between Snarky Puppy and The Brecker Bros, than I get why you might be upset by my comments.
    i really love both. what's wrong with Snarky Puppy?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    I get that even great composers of the past even disliked others works at times. My point is now that music has been coopted by technology allowing non musicians to compete financially. Music or compositions suffer especially the harmonic part.
    I can't think of one other profession where amateurs are allowed to be viewed in the same equal way? Sports, Medicine, Lawyers, IT, Plumbers, Carpenters, Bankers, etc.
    I haven't gigged in 20 years. I started messing with a DAW. learning the tricks and goofing around.
    What you say is true. Producers have a great deal of influence. They usually don't take chances and just mimic techniques of the last hit. A person my age will be slow but I've come to dislike electronic music.
    I think we've reached a zenith of sorts.
    It's easy to become a little bit pregnant with music technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol
    Things are getting back to 'normal' if there is such a thing but pollution was greatly reduced at the start of the lock downs. How could it not effect music?
    I bet pollution was worse in Harlem in the 30s and 40s than most anywhere today

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    I get that even great composers of the past even disliked others works at times. My point is now that music has been coopted by technology allowing non musicians to compete financially. Music or compositions suffer especially the harmonic part.
    I can't think of one other profession where amateurs are allowed to be viewed in the same equal way? Sports, Medicine, Lawyers, IT, Plumbers, Carpenters, Bankers, etc.
    You have made this argument in the past. You are repeating yourself.

    I don't think anyone views an EDM artist on the same way that they view Chopin. Though daft Punk maybe not be trained musicians but they certainly have an ear for music.

    The technology of steroids allows others to be faster then otherwise biologically determined. People enjoy watching Minor League sports and college sports.

    Technology allows people, other than trained medical professionals to administer healthcare. Like an x ray or dialysis machine technician. Used to only be operated by doctors.

    There are online legal help websites that use AI to solve some law issues.

    Do you think most people who answer IT phone lines aren't just reading through a help manual script?

    I have done some plumbing in my house. I don't have a torch. But thanks to newer types of connectors, I didn't need to call a plumber.

    Thanks to power tools most people can cut a straight line and use biscuits to connect pieces of wood.

    Thanks to ATMs and online banking websites, I haven't talked to a banker in quite a while. I can also buy stocks easily.

    Technology, is helping to remove barriers and gates from those without access. The digital revolution is giving most everyone the ability to create. The obvious examples in film, photography, book publishing, or creating music.

    There are lots and lots of things created that I don't like. I ignore then and move on for the most part.

    Public tastes change and evolve. Gothic architecture was thus called, because the Romantics were insulting it, by implying it was designed by barbarians. Aluminum siding was very popular in the 70s and 80s. I can't stand it. I also don't care for the current trend of grey and white renovations. Ugh. Lacking in taste and originality. Not everyone should be a decorator.

    $0.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    I get that even great composers of the past even disliked others works at times. My point is now that music has been coopted by technology allowing non musicians to compete financially. Music or compositions suffer especially the harmonic part.
    I can't think of one other profession where amateurs are allowed to be viewed in the same equal way? Sports, Medicine, Lawyers, IT, Plumbers, Carpenters, Bankers, etc.

    Oh no you don't ..

    If you can't bring a product to the market that will fetch a better price than from the guy that gives it for free .. then it's not the market that is the problem. It's your product that can't compete with the free one.

    You mention sports .. There are plenty of sport where there is no interest and so those playing these sports do it for fun and don't get paid like .. I dunno .. Broomball or underwater rugby?

    And then there are sports where millions of dollars flow freely. That is where there is interest.


    You can't just choose to do something that no one gives a fuck about and demand to be paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    Oh no you don't ..

    If you can't bring a product to the market that will fetch a better price than from the guy that gives it for free .. then it's not the market that is the problem. It's your product that can't compete with the free one.

    You mention sports .. There are plenty of sport where there is no interest and so those playing these sports do it for fun and don't get paid like .. I dunno .. Broomball or underwater rugby?

    And then there are sports where millions of dollars flow freely. That is where there is interest.


    You can't just choose to do something that no one gives a fuck about and demand to be paid.
    I demand to hear that hurdy gurdy music. But free. I'm not paying for it. Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A
    i really love both. what's wrong with Snarky Puppy?

    Musicians' resumes played for the listening,
    Everything sounds like a list full of sampling;
    Dropdown menu machine music sings,
    These aren't a few of my favorite things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlemark
    I demand to hear that hurdy gurdy music. But free. I'm not paying for it. Christian.

    And that is where Christian has several options:

    He can tell you to f... off
    He can say .. haha .. you laugh now, but when you hear it you're going to rush out and buy tour tickets .. not to mention the follow up album
    He can just do it cause he loves hurdy gurdy musics and can't stop himself
    He can do it cause there is nothing that makes him happier than seeing himself on youtube.


    The first option is always a valid and good choice

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    I have not read this thread- yet. But on this topic, Steve Lukather had a very interesting post awhile back, let me see if I can find it....

    Luke is a great guy, but yeah... sometimes he can go off when he's pissed, and this was one of those days. His Autobiography is one of the best music-related ones I've ever read. Because he's been everywhere, played on everything, and with everybody.


    Steve Lukather is a great guitar player who has released 6 solo albums and has recorded guitar tracks as a session musician on more than 1,500 albums representing a broad array of artists and genres.
    Steve posted this response to Bob Lefsetz (http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/) who has been discussing Spotify in his newsletters recently:
    “I just want to know something. ALL this pontificating about how Spotify and the like are the ’ answer ’ and how ’ the artists get paid’ etc.
    How much? Really? WHO keeps tabs and accounting?
    Maybe I just don’t know. I don’t see any money and have A LOT of stuff out there over 35 years of making records.

    Have you done the breakdown on what an artist get PER tune on iTunes? Pitiful.

    Now IF you are with a label its even worse cause they take a huge share of that. The breakdown after all is said and done for most it’s pennies.
    TOO many people can make records. Period.
    No catalog artists are made these days. One hit wonders galore. Sad really.

    Now rec. co’s don’t give budgets like the old days when the great records were made cause they cost MONEY!! They want to make money for nothing and own you for life and a piece of EVERYTHING an artist does. You can sell a million and still OWE them!

    My 25 year old son has buddies who have platinum records living in a one room studio apt! Broke.

    Of course back ‘then’ rec. companies cared about MUSIC and nurturing artists for a LONG term career and long term money.

    Sure they got the Lions share but then they invested, believed and promoted it so there was SOME justification.

    Now its ’ Beats’ and how many facebook hits or Youtube hits you get .. ALL which either make NO money or short term dog-shit money with no real way to account for it and truly suck for the most part.

    What the fuck ? People want to be famous NOT good!

    It is TOO easy to play 'pretend pop star’ now. With all the fakery and auto tune-time correction -cut and paste etc.. fuck most young people don’t know how to play a song from top to bottom in a studio in tune and in time and with feeling?? Rare.

    I am in the studios all the time and hear the stories from the producers and engineers.. and yet NO ONE cares that ’ so and so’ who sold a shit load of records ( how much IS that these days? ) cant sing or play.
    They make 'McRecords’ for people who don’t even really listen. It’s background music for people to either find a mate or shake their heads while texting or skyping or doing other things. Environmental noise for the multi-tasker.

    Gone are the days of loving , dissecting, discussing the inner workings of 'AN ALBUM”… sitting in silence while it plays.. looking at the liner notes and the few photo’s IN the studio .. imagining what a magic place it music be to make such music…

    Gone.
    You need a fucking jewelers eye to read the credits IF one even cares. Most don’t.

    So if you keep blaming the 'old antiquated artists’ who are the only REAL ones left.. who MAY make a great record once in awhile but may be overlooked cause the media chooses to care more about who is super gluing meat to their bodies and other ridiculous HYPE and bullshit to get attention rather than LISTENING hard to the music being made we might be in a different place.

    When we were kids ( yes I will be 108 this year) there were only a handful or artists and they WERE great cause they HAD to be.
    You could choose not to like some but outside the teenage fodder most deserved their success and NO ONE sounded alike ! No one!

    We live in a McWorld that moves way too fast and now even the drugs suck. I mean when I was young and got high I never got naked foaming at the mouth and tried to eat someone’s face off.

    Time to put on Dark Side of the Moon and chill.

    Have a nice day and may real music come back and fill our ears. ( there IS some great stuff but you know what I mean ..)
    REAL music played by REAL musicians. They ARE out there.
    They just don’t get a lot of press anymore, or at all.“
    Luke
    (Steve Lukather)
    Last edited by ruger9; 04-19-2021 at 07:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelostboss
    Well Christian I am, as an Englishman, probably about as cynical as you right now - but being significantly older have a slightly different perspective.

    What is popular now has little to no impact. Had I done absolutely nothing with my life then it might have the appeal of immediacy; but that is not the case.

    For my analysis what matters is reflecting on ones past/prior life and considering what, if any, music sums up part, or all, of that period.

    My challenge to you: pick five pieces of music [any style or genre] that could be played in a thirty minute time frame without commentary, that would allow listeners to walk away knowing something about who you were!

    Could you do this, could anyone here?
    I can do that in one tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauln

    Musicians' resumes played for the listening,
    Everything sounds like a list full of sampling;
    Dropdown menu machine music sings,
    These aren't a few of my favorite things.
    I assume you are trying to explain what it is you don't like about SP, but what it is you don't like i couldn't tell.

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    So most pro orchestral musicians are facing a similar crisis. Why? Because the old money which use to fund them has moved to Sports private boxes.
    The younger folks who are the wheeler dealers do their deals now at Sports venues.

    They also have to compete with musicians from lesser paid countries as well. With the advent of live stream,etc. They are used for studio sessions, live music shows ,etc.
    Much like tech help being staffed nowadays. Always a race to the bottom and a profit for the few at the top.

    All I can say for sure is they've killed the Goose that played the Golden Egg!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    So most pro orchestral musicians are facing a similar crisis. Why? Because the old money which use to fund them has moved to Sports private boxes.
    The younger folks who are the wheeler dealers do their deals now at Sports venues.

    They also have to compete with musicians from lesser paid countries as well. With the advent of live stream,etc. They are used for studio sessions, live music shows ,etc.
    Much like tech help being staffed nowadays. Always a race to the bottom and a profit for the few at the top.

    All I can say for sure is they've killed the Goose that played the Golden Egg!

    Serious question:
    Why does any of this matter. I mean off course .. If you're struggling and in need .. then sure .. I wish the best for you personally and hope you're doing well!

    But music as a whole .. why give a damn?

    Each generation must find it's own way ... You had a great life playing music, why not enjoy that you had this privilege instead of lamenting that other won't have the same privilege as you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9
    I have not read this thread- yet. But on this topic, Steve Lukather had a very interesting post awhile back, let me see if I can find it....

    Luke is a great guy, but yeah... sometimes he can go off when he's pissed, and this was one of those days. His Autobiography is one of the best music-related ones I've ever read. Because he's been everywhere, played on everything, and with everybody.


    Steve Lukather is a great guitar player who has released 6 solo albums and has recorded guitar tracks as a session musician on more than 1,500 albums representing a broad array of artists and genres.
    Steve posted this response to Bob Lefsetz (http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/) who has been discussing Spotify in his newsletters recently:
    “I just want to know something. ALL this pontificating about how Spotify and the like are the ’ answer ’ and how ’ the artists get paid’ etc.
    How much? Really? WHO keeps tabs and accounting?
    Maybe I just don’t know. I don’t see any money and have A LOT of stuff out there over 35 years of making records.

    Have you done the breakdown on what an artist get PER tune on iTunes? Pitiful.

    Now IF you are with a label its even worse cause they take a huge share of that. The breakdown after all is said and done for most it’s pennies.
    TOO many people can make records. Period.
    No catalog artists are made these days. One hit wonders galore. Sad really.

    Now rec. co’s don’t give budgets like the old days when the great records were made cause they cost MONEY!! They want to make money for nothing and own you for life and a piece of EVERYTHING an artist does. You can sell a million and still OWE them!

    My 25 year old son has buddies who have platinum records living in a one room studio apt! Broke.

    Of course back ‘then’ rec. companies cared about MUSIC and nurturing artists for a LONG term career and long term money.

    Sure they got the Lions share but then they invested, believed and promoted it so there was SOME justification.

    Now its ’ Beats’ and how many facebook hits or Youtube hits you get .. ALL which either make NO money or short term dog-shit money with no real way to account for it and truly suck for the most part.

    What the fuck ? People want to be famous NOT good!

    It is TOO easy to play 'pretend pop star’ now. With all the fakery and auto tune-time correction -cut and paste etc.. fuck most young people don’t know how to play a song from top to bottom in a studio in tune and in time and with feeling?? Rare.

    I am in the studios all the time and hear the stories from the producers and engineers.. and yet NO ONE cares that ’ so and so’ who sold a shit load of records ( how much IS that these days? ) cant sing or play.
    They make 'McRecords’ for people who don’t even really listen. It’s background music for people to either find a mate or shake their heads while texting or skyping or doing other things. Environmental noise for the multi-tasker.

    Gone are the days of loving , dissecting, discussing the inner workings of 'AN ALBUM”… sitting in silence while it plays.. looking at the liner notes and the few photo’s IN the studio .. imagining what a magic place it music be to make such music…

    Gone.
    You need a fucking jewelers eye to read the credits IF one even cares. Most don’t.

    So if you keep blaming the 'old antiquated artists’ who are the only REAL ones left.. who MAY make a great record once in awhile but may be overlooked cause the media chooses to care more about who is super gluing meat to their bodies and other ridiculous HYPE and bullshit to get attention rather than LISTENING hard to the music being made we might be in a different place.

    When we were kids ( yes I will be 108 this year) there were only a handful or artists and they WERE great cause they HAD to be.
    You could choose not to like some but outside the teenage fodder most deserved their success and NO ONE sounded alike ! No one!

    We live in a McWorld that moves way too fast and now even the drugs suck. I mean when I was young and got high I never got naked foaming at the mouth and tried to eat someone’s face off.

    Time to put on Dark Side of the Moon and chill.

    Have a nice day and may real music come back and fill our ears. ( there IS some great stuff but you know what I mean ..)
    REAL music played by REAL musicians. They ARE out there.
    They just don’t get a lot of press anymore, or at all.“
    Luke
    (Steve Lukather)
    Lol. This is why I didn't want to go to LA and be an R&B rhythm specialist.
    He's definitely a great guitar player. He can even polish a turd like 'Beat It'. There might be 3 guitar players on it. I forgot.

    LA always finds a way to stay in the game whether there's substance to it or not. Good singers who wouldn't alter their technique would bow out before the later rounds on American Idol.
    Nice booties in LA. Pretty faces in San Francisco. I love that map.

    Industry 'plants' will cross paths with LA. Post Malone is a plant. Now people are saying Olivia Rodrigo is. Duh. Of course she is but that doesn't mean she doesn't have great potential. She's still just a kid.
    Lukather is a California kid but he got where he is based on merit. He can play.

    Don't look at me. I'm not in LA churning out dinky guitar parts for a bunch of Prince wannabees. I'd rather do nothing.
    California isn't an attractive place for outsiders now. It's hard to knock it when your economy is based on vice like in Las Vegas. Who are we to judge too harshly.

    California needs to go back to the days of Laurel Canyon and Cass Elliot. It starts with singers and songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol
    Lol. This is why I didn't want to go to LA and be an R&B rhythm specialist.
    He's definitely a great guitar player. He can even polish a turd like 'Beat It'. There might be 3 guitar players on it. I forgot.


    Don't look at me. I'm not in LA churning out dinky guitar parts for a bunch of Prince wannabees. .
    Just 2. Lukather played everything, except for the solo which Eddie Van Halen played. EVH and Luke were close friends.

    "Prince wannabes"... are you talking about TODAY? Because if you're talking about today, I agree. But back then- in the 80s- it was golden era for studio guys. Yes they had to play on a bunch of crap, but they also got to work with the most amazing pop/rock artists of the day. There are alot worse ways to make a living than coming up with (as in WRITING) guitar parts for the likes of Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney, Don Henley, the list goes on and on and on.... I was in the grocery store the other day, and Lionel Richie's "Running With the Night" came on, and my mind flashed forward to a KILLER solo I remembered the song having... and I thought "it was probably Lukather". Then it got to the solo section and it was definitely Lukather. I looked it up when I got home.

    Not a bad way to make a living, indeed. Plus of course he had TOTO, which has been touring the world since then...

    The last 20 years, Nashville seems to be the place for those kinds of players. But not sure how much longer that will last, as that place is now so homogenized I'm not sure it matters who plays on stuff anymore- anybody can lay down a rock guitar solo on a "country" song with rock drums in 4/4 With fiddle put on there to justify calling it "country".

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    Re: Lukather I had an epiphany the other day when I realised why I kind of found him a bit of a generic player.

    It’s cos he was on all the records. Duh.

    Same reason I think Brecker had a bit of standard sax tone haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9
    Just 2. Lukather played everything, except for the solo which Eddie Van Halen played. EVH and Luke were close friends.

    "Prince wannabes"... are you talking about TODAY? Because if you're talking about today, I agree. But back then- in the 80s- it was golden era for studio guys. Yes they had to play on a bunch of crap, but they also got to work with the most amazing pop/rock artists of the day. There are alot worse ways to make a living than coming up with (as in WRITING) guitar parts for the likes of Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney, Don Henley, the list goes on and on and on.... I was in the grocery store the other day, and Lionel Richie's "Running With the Night" came on, and my mind flashed forward to a KILLER solo I remembered the song having... and I thought "it was probably Lukather". Then it got to the solo section and it was definitely Lukather. I looked it up when I got home.

    Not a bad way to make a living, indeed. Plus of course he had TOTO, which has been touring the world since then...

    The last 20 years, Nashville seems to be the place for those kinds of players. But not sure how much longer that will last, as that place is now so homogenized I'm not sure it matters who plays on stuff anymore- anybody can lay down a rock guitar solo on a "country" song with rock drums in 4/4 With fiddle put on there to justify calling it "country".
    Yes. I didn't want to go to LA and I didn't want to commercialize rap. I took a 6 month steps gig overseas then left CA. That was a waste of time but there's some tradition there. You'll get tight working 60 hours a week in a club for months.
    California is the land of opportunity in music. You'll probably get a chance to do something. Try not to lose your mind.

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    Los Angeles is Hollywood! It's only about selling dreams and whatever it takes do to do that IS what matters. When they needed musicians with skills it was better.
    But it still was the same.
    Unfortunately with Facebook and You Tube we have Hollyweird everywhere now. And what we now call INFLUECERS, LOL !

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    Drum machines are the worst right?


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    I understand the calculating songwriters try to include the millennial whoop in their melodies as often as possible often using the oh oh oh syllables into boring unremarkable music dictated by big record companies. I played a lot of retirement centers and we think the Charlie Christian Benny Goodman swing music is some of the finest to ever come down the pike.But they young when that was new. People like music they can associate with other good events in their lives such as being young and not what previous generations liked whatever the quality subjective or objective.

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    I meant but they were young when that was new.Too much millennial whoop going on on my television set. Sorry.

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    Millennial whoop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    Los Angeles is Hollywood! It's only about selling dreams and whatever it takes do to do that IS what matters. When they needed musicians with skills it was better.
    But it still was the same.
    Unfortunately with Facebook and You Tube we have Hollyweird everywhere now. And what we now call INFLUECERS, LOL !
    California is awesome. I loved it. It's a little edgy sometimes.

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    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol


    Interesting.
    I've never heard of that term. I do recognize that melody though.

    But it's not like the Blues didn't reuse ideas. Or even "the lick" in Jazz.

    I suppose it's more acceptable in an improvised line compared to writing it down for a chorus.

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    Like I've said before music is being produced by one or two people nowadays. And usually neither has any serious musician background. The Bean Counters are in total control because they now realize people don't care about actual music.
    As long as they can sell it to more people for less investments.

    And this is why todays Entertainment is so shallow.

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    Remember how deep music use to be?



    Although, it is pretty shameful that they couldn't hire real backup singers. They just had Patti sing over her own vocals using the latest in recording technology.

    And think of all the castrati that Mr Seville put out of work!!

    It's all been down hill since Les Paul starting messing about with technologies. Imagine a whole record recorded at home with only one musician. More like "less" Paul is needed.

    And to think of how few people wrote music back then. How many hits did Lieber and Stoller have?

    And don't get me started on the wrecking crew (or Motown, or Staxx). Imagine hiring the same session musicians over and over again instead of letting young musicians have the opportunity to play on their own records.
    Record companies should have given them the opportunity to grow.

    #sad

    Things were so much better.... Whenever...

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    As the resident pop troll around here I'm usually right about trends. Contrived romance is the new thing. It's not entirely contrived but nothing is what it seems in pop culture.
    Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo. Taylor is still young but she's made a huge impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol
    As the resident pop troll around here I'm usually right about trends. Contrived romance is the new thing. It's not entirely contrived but nothing is what it seems in pop culture.
    Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo. Taylor is still young but she's made a huge impact.
    Yep! They play the "whoop" tunes at the health club (mercifully no music in the pool area). First time I noticed it was some song encouraging loose encounters (contrived romance) and my impression was that the whoop was a musical lyrical euphemism for sexy sounds - moaning, a squeaky bed, the Doppler effect of oscillatory motion...

    Or maybe just the newest derivative of this...


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    Quote Originally Posted by pauln
    Yep! They play the "whoop" tunes at the health club (mercifully no music in the pool area). First time I noticed it was some song encouraging loose encounters (contrived romance) and my impression was that the whoop was a musical lyrical euphemism for sexy sounds - moaning, a squeaky bed, the Doppler effect of oscillatory motion...

    Or maybe just the newest derivative of this...

    Besides the Millennial whoop there's the Millennial rap comedy.

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    No doubt there was always Crap Music in every generation! My poi t was when it still had musicians involved in the process, they made even crap music better!
    The Monkees is a great example of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    No doubt there was always Crap Music in every generation! My poi t was when it still had musicians involved in the process, they made even crap music better!
    The Monkees is a great example of that.
    The Monkees made some great music. Some of it was even written and performed by them!

    I think I have posted elsewhere about how great the songwriting and production was in the mid-late-60's and 1970's. Even fairly mundane pop songs like Brandy or Spill the Wine or Ventura Highway had great melodies, interesting lyrics, great musicianship and a great sound.

    Let's face it--I'm a child of the 70's. Give me 15 years back and forward from that period and I'll be good in the afterlife.

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    I don't think that was your point.

    "Now what passes for it is music school graduates imitating Prince imitating James Brown etc. Very Sad what actual input of real musicians in the Music has become!"

    Music is still made by musicians. By the very definition of musician. If they are making the music they are musicians.

    You said you have no interest in contemporary music. Which is fine for the people making music. They have no interest in you. You are not the target demographic. Don't be upset that Pampers aren't comfortable on you. They aren't supposed to be.

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    If you complain about the music of today, someone will reply,
    "Great music is still being made, you just have to look for it".
    But that's part of what the complaining is about; back when,
    you didn't have to look for it, it was continuously everywhere .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauln
    If you complain about the music of today, someone will reply,
    "Great music is still being made, you just have to look for it".
    But that's part of what the complaining is about; back when,
    you didn't have to look for it, it was continuously everywhere .

    If you ask my teenage kids they will tell you the exact opposite.

    You know ... There actually have been claims that your music taste is formed in your teenage years and follows you the rest of your life. I don't know if that could mean something in this discussion tho?


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    Do I need to post Patti Page again?

    The "problem" today is there WAY more music being produced. And very little is aimed at you.

    Parents complained about the influence of R'n'B into their children's music. The kids loved it.
    In the past 30 years parents have been complaining about the influence of hip hop. Kids love it.

    There are niche markets and sub genres for everyone.

    Me personally, I haven't liked much pop music from any period. Most of the stuff I have enjoyed over the years has had very little mainstream love. That is not an attempt to sound snobby or elitist.
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