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  1. #451

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    IIRC, the Jefferson Airplane Levi's advertisement was on radios around 1967. Rock for commercial $$$ has been around for a long time.

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  3. #452

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    In order to make that case you need to show that those artist actually had other skills that they could have made a decent living of, but choose their art and poverty over a decent career.


    I could make a case they they where just outcasts with no other ability than to blow their horn .. Outcasts that ended their sad lives prematurely as junkies btw.



    So ... Do you have any examples of artists that turned down a lucrative career for their art?


    You personally didn't, right?
    I mean you could have suffered in poverty for your art, but someone you took up a normal job as far as I recall from your posts and haven't played for decades as far as I remember .. Hell you even refuse to post an example of your playing when asked.

    You demand the world from other people, but don't really live up to what you preach yourself, do you?
    Hi, Lobo,
    Thanks for your reply. I am very flattered by the interest you take in my life and the comically distorted facts you continue to mutter. However I ,now, believe these dialogues must have a profound therapeutic effect on your daily life and ,for that, I am much pleased. I am ,also, well-convinced by the language in your previous posts that you have never played as a working professional musician, never belonged to a musician's union, never been paid for studio recordings as I have for the majority of my life and, recently, until Covid, and are, at best, a frustrated dilettante as is easily seen by your aberrant views and quirky ideas about music. However, I will not put you on an "ignore" list since I am a believer in Free Speech but will refrain in the future to respond to your negative and frankly, bizarre personal attacks since, I believe, they will continue to profligate ad nauseum. So, Lobo, you'll just have to keep guessing as you fritter away wasted time that could have been better spent practicing your instrument in preparation for busking on whatever busy corner is closest to home. I wish you best of luck . . . and remember--Key of C . . . Mary had a little lamb . . . little lamb . . . little lamb . . . well, I think you know the rest.
    Play live . . . Marinero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    Hi, Lobo,
    Thanks for your reply. I am very flattered by the interest you take in my life and the comically distorted facts you continue to mutter. However I ,now, believe these dialogues must have a profound therapeutic effect on your daily life and ,for that, I am much pleased. I am ,also, well-convinced by the language in your previous posts that you have never played as a working professional musician, never belonged to a musician's union, never been paid for studio recordings as I have for the majority of my life and, recently, until Covid, and are, at best, a frustrated dilettante as is easily seen by your aberrant views and quirky ideas about music. However, I will not put you on an "ignore" list since I am a believer in Free Speech but will refrain in the future to respond to your negative and frankly, bizarre personal attacks since, I believe, they will continue to profligate ad nauseum. So, Lobo, you'll just have to keep guessing as you fritter away wasted time that could have been better spent practicing your instrument in preparation for busking on whatever busy corner is closest to home. I wish you best of luck . . . and remember--Key of C . . . Mary had a little lamb . . . little lamb . . . little lamb . . . well, I think you know the rest.
    Play live . . . Marinero
    Another non reply.

    You actually dont have anything on offer, you?


    Ok then keep dissing the ones that do then.

    Cheers Marinero
    Last edited by Lobomov; 05-28-2021 at 05:24 PM.

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    I'm sorry things have become so toxic in this thread. Even though I've been a professional musician for the majority of my life, I don't think my opinions are more or less important than anyone else's.
    I do think it gives me insight to understand how the career works in order to survive and make a living LOL!

    I have also come to appreciate players like Glenn Campbell, Neil Levang, and many others as the true heroes of our profession.
    Even most weren't known outside of their professional circles, they were the true
    musicians who could play anything called upon in any situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    I'm sorry things have become so toxic in this thread. Even though I've been a professional musician for the majority of my life, I don't think my opinions are more or less important than anyone else's.
    I do think it gives me insight to understand how the career works in order to survive and make a living LOL!

    I have also come to appreciate players like Glenn Campbell, Neil Levang, and many others as the true heroes of our profession.
    Even most weren't known outside of their professional circles, they were the true
    musicians who could play anything called upon in any situation.

    Apart from being tired with Marinero being judge and jury over every single player that ever existed and thus going after him, in my eyes this thread isn't particularly toxic.

    You still play, you're a cool guy and a great player ... and yeah .. you're weary these days and while I personally might not agree with all your statements and concerns .. End of day I do get where you're coming from and I do respect that

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    Thanks to all who've shared their opinions in this thread. It's what makes for good debate, to have observations from different experiences and professions.

    Its just sad to see how musicians have always been undervalued in most
    socities.

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    This is why we can't have nice things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    Thanks to all who've shared their opinions in this thread. It's what makes for good debate, to have observations from different experiences and professions.

    Its just sad to see how musicians have always been undervalued in most
    socities.
    I'm optimistic. Billy Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo live with their parents. They each have one producer they write with. They're efficient.
    It's the new music business. There is no music business. There doesn't need to be. It's ground zero.

    I like to sit around in a living room and make a racket. I don't know what I want to do right now.

    I saw a very interesting video about the characteristics of generations. Baby boomers are the prophets. GenX are the repairers. Millennials are the heroes. Gen Z are the artists.

    Makes sense to me. I'm 63 so a boomer but I like to think I'm a repairer. As long as it's not electronic. I suck at that.
    Just get out of the way. Leave these kids alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
    Truly. I couldn’t imagine life without experiencIng the endorphins released over that new Santana recording featuring black magic woman, or the thousand or so hits surrounding the days of my youth. Those were the days of musicality which btw are the musical bar that will never again be equaled. You just simply had to be there.
    Don’t you mean that new Peter Green record Black Magic Woman? Carlos just borrowed from Peter (though he always acknowledged the debt and of course featured Peter if the opportunity arose).

    The cross-pollination especially in San Fran and Laurel Canyon was just magical in those days.

    As far as selling out...

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    Play live . . . Marinero

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
    Don’t you mean that new Peter Green record Black Magic Woman? Carlos just borrowed from Peter (though he always acknowledged the debt and of course featured Peter if the opportunity arose).
    Yeah .. That was a great record from 1968 .. Needs to be posted here


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    Entertainment in all forms SELLS! I dont consider it as important music if its mainly about the lyric content. In other words Dylan or Rap mainly use the music as a backdrop,not as the focal point

    Dance music is mainly focused on the particular dance itself. From James Brown to Latin, Polka, Swing etc.

    There are composers who use all aspects such as Duke Ellington, Jimi Hendrix, Sting, EWF, Steely Dan, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
    Don’t you mean that new Peter Green record Black Magic Woman? Carlos just borrowed from Peter (though he always acknowledged the debt and of course featured Peter if the opportunity arose).

    The cross-pollination especially in San Fran and Laurel Canyon was just magical in those days.

    As far as selling out...
    Perhaps. But it took Santana to make it most popular. I rest my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
    Perhaps. But it took Santana to make it most popular. I rest my case.
    Given all you said about the decline of music as an art ... Are you really suddenly pulling this guy made it POPULAR as an argument?


    You know ... METAL is more POPULAR than JAZZ?

    I rest my case

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinero
    Hi, S,
    Can I ask what they pay for a gig (usually 45 minutes to one hour) in your area at the retirement centers?
    Play live . . . Marinero
    Yes I am happy you interested. For the last few years my fee has been 125$ for up to an hour of music. I find most places do not want to tire out the residents so usually I am asked to do a 50 min. set on average. I split the solo playing and playing with the boom box as the audience response lets me know whats going over best. Once you are a regular say every 3 to 6 months you will know what program works best for each room.I try an do Jazz,Classical,Country,and Blues. My best response seems to be Benny Goodman Band with Charlie Christian. If everyone is toe tapping and smiling I might go 20 minutes off a Live BG CD.For Country I bring a Junior Brown or Vince Gill CD. Billie Holliday goes over sometimes. Not too long ago I talked to the owner of Evans Amps and he was very interested to get into this type of work for himself. In K.C.,M.O. the man who wrote and recorded Classical Gas, Mason Williams,maybe? Was playing at retirement centers. Since my my car and guitar and amp were not free I usually do paid gigs. But I have sometimes played for poorer groups of people maybe to improve my Karma and it was enjoyable to play the blues for people whose lives wrote it. Good Luck!!!

  17. #466
    Quote Originally Posted by fep
    Retirement centers... Benny Goodman, Charlie Christian? If you were in your twenties in the 1930s, you're over a hundred years old now. Average age of residents in retirement homes is 84, they were twenty in the 1957.

    Better change that set list, the older boomers are now in their seventies.

    Good on you though... I've done that with a combo before, no cash, paid with smiles and tapping feet. I remember Elvis songs were a big hit.
    You are right I did not take a survey or anything I just noticed how much they liked swing music of BG and assumed it was something bringing back good memories. They keep having me back. I also do more contemporary music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone
    Really?

    Maybe Gracie needed a new Ferrari a girl gotta drive you know!!! Jack Cassidy sure was a Great bass player. I saw the Jefferson Starship in Nashville in the late eighties and one of my friends mildly dosed me and I had a heck of a Good Time!!! and the band was excellent!!! Gracie had her own coffee urn onstage!!! One pill makes you***

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    I also played in a jazz jam band here where I live and our drummer plays for the Michael Mc Donald Band and other guitar player works with Pharoh Sanders and his brother was with Dr. John and the Neville Bros. and Arron Neville for several years.Pretty good pickers!!! So you can play wherever they pay you and still play in a smokin band where they dont pay much. Oh well ... Thats Life.