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    Quote Originally Posted by crusoe
    All politcal leaders are more or less stunned. Here in Germany
    some people are JUST coming back from ski-trips to Italy !!!!
    (infected, of course)
    There are lot of victims all over europe. Trump at least
    closed the US-border to china. (good move)
    Sienctists probing right now a lot of different (already existing)
    medications which at least could keep the symptoms in check.
    All over the world they're looking for a vaccine, 24/7.
    Don't panic and keep your granny save.
    Where did this epicemic come from....? Where did SARS come from ?
    By the way, I'd trade in our whole government for Donald Trump right now.
    Deal ?
    to think that this post is only two weeks old. the US are now just one cycle away from being world leaders in corona cases.

    meanwhile our german government and the people did a really good job containing the virus. certainly far from perfect but it gives us a fighting chance.

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    I think noone has a clue really about the way all this is going to play out. All governments do is try to avoid the imminent worse, and somehow plan for the worse case scenarios. Same with the medical system. Regarding what the people may endure or accept, and how our lives may change, look at what they accepted already. Where i live there is now a total ban of going outside for everybody, except work, food, etc. You need a printed notice of where you are going. Picture this one month earlier... I'd say people accepted a lot already. Imagine deaths rising in the tens of thousands every day....

    I think through this epidemic a lot of people are going to realize, between other things, exactly how powerful and efficient governments of today can be at monitoring and controlling people. For better or worse. Democracy, privacy, personal freedom and choice will have a renewed meaning, and for generations that have never wondered about these things in the past.

    In the long term, this is going to challenge a lot of our beliefs and values. In the 20th century we have mostly built societies around material wealth, greed and competition, selfishness and ego. We elevated economy to a place where we let bankers and businessmen run our countries, and where everything else, any form of spirituality or non moneymaking endeavor, individual, family and social life, have taken a second place to it. We run the global economy through virtual wealth and virtual dept, we are destroying the ecosystem in a magnitude never seen before, we still see our little selves as having total control of the way things are supposed to run on this planet, arrogant and self assured. We still endorse violence and war, towards ourselves and other species.

    And here comes a small virus that says otherwise..

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    Stark demonstration of capitalist realism is that there are people in US that would be quite happy to die from Covid to allow the economy to continue. (Not to mention those who would be happy to let them die.)

    striking.

    id say it was admirable in a way if there weren’t millions of people in this scenario who don’t get to make that choice.
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    In the long term, this is going to challenge a lot of our beliefs and values. In the 20th century we have mostly built societies around material wealth, greed and competition, selfishness and ego. We elevated economy to a place where we let bankers and businessmen run our countries, and where everything else, any form of spirituality or non moneymaking endeavor, individual, family and social life, have taken a second place to it. We run the global economy through virtual wealth and virtual dept, we are destroying the ecosystem in a magnitude never seen before, we still see our little selves as having total control of the way things are supposed to run on this planet, arrogant and self assured. We still endorse violence and war, towards ourselves and other species.

    And here comes a small virus that says otherwise..
    Virus does not say anything...
    I will dare say that lots of what is going on now is a result of the things that you described above.

    Goverments take mesures not to protect population but to keep status quo in their political reality... once China started that, onece WHO is involved you cannot say 'there is no virus', or 'virus is not important' - if you do not behave by the rules you may be punushed now or later...
    WHO is extremely political organization and extremely influential.

    We know how it works today -- it is enought tommorow that WHO says it seems that situation improves that everything reacts: the economies, the political systems...


    I agree that once it happened to be out there -- the people that could be saved must be saved... but look openly at all that ... would anyone notice that if China would not have reported the epedemic situation in January?

    A couple of years ago there were lot of cases of virus pneumonia world wide too....

    Again I am not saying one should not do anything. now one should...

    I have been in Bergamo many times, I know and love the city... and I understand the shocking impact for such small comunities.
    Venice is the place where I have many friends and it is empty now (I wish I were quarantined there!)...

    But honestly -- it is not the plague and the humanity is not fighting deadly enemy....

    What we witness is absolutely in the trend of all the other global politics activities of the past decased... different wars and mutual accuasations between countries that stay unresolved for years... frozen local conflicts... diplomatic threats with no consequences... spots events and careers ruined by just saying in the news something... it is all the same trend


    I am in Russia and I surprised that WHO did not blame Russia in hiding figures. on the contrary it seems to be supportive...

    I do not dig what is behind it... who bribed whom and what was the benefit...

    Or maybe they just wait untill it goes off a bit and then ti it even easier to blame restrospectively... it is fantastic instrument in politics.

    I am far from conspirology... but the fact that Iran was the second country to suffer was really suspicious... are there not other countried nearby - much weaker - to be in danger?

    There are so many questions in all that... I just do not know whom to believe... and I do not want to believe anyone.
    I do not believe Putin, Trump, Johnson, Merkel, Macron.. whoever.
    I do not believe they care about people.
    To become a top level politician you should stop being human at some stage. And it is long before than people come to presedenc or something like that.

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    Sorry I can’t read and respond to every comment. There is a leader in this crisis in both testing and isolating and responding from a public health perspective (and sadly it’s not the US or Britain). This country made several of my guitars, including my Peerless Sunset.

    Coronavirus cases have dropped sharply in South Korea. What’s the secret to its success? | Science | AAAS

    We should look to the success of Korea in trying to deal with this crisis. There won’t be a magic treatment (in my opinion) or vaccine that will make in impact in the near term. Identification and isolation is the ONLY cure.

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    we all go through tsa at airports , and there is nothing wrong with pointing out which parts are a dog and pony show and which parts actualy help. you still have to comply , but , nothing wrong with noting what is just for show .

    someone mentioned its too late to do the taiwan aproach, immedietly test temperature when getting off the plane, going after people who are sick and the people around them and quarentining them.

    i disagree. even with lockdown, you still should agresivly go after anyone who is sick and get them to quarenteen and the people around them.

    so, even though where i am is in lockdown, i can still disagree with how its going down. this whole lockdown thing is being done looking at china and the ccp solution. after they for two months , kept it a secret, harrassed a whistle blower , censered the press and banned some press, the ccp tells us its ok. why should i believe the ccp? they lied before, is there any reason to think they are going to be truthful and upfront now? and we are copying the ccp model ,not the taiwan model or the south korrea model? capitalisms fault? no, communist manipulation and lies are the fault its gotten to this. they wouldnt let usa medical people in to find out what it is and then could get the jump on it.

    so , im hunkered down, canceled most all activities , business canceled, no social gatherings, but, i have to step back at the point some of it is a bunch of tsa style pony shows gong on. at a time im not suposed to take a walk in a pretty empty neighborhood, we are now starting to see the articles of the enormous strain of the people who do have to work in the medical and food industry. where the medical industry is hyper aware of disinfecting , is the food industry on top of it? will the fatigue drive people to be careless ? how can it not? the super market is the absolute most dangerous place i can go now, and , because of the lockdown, the bus is stopped , i dont have a car, and the mini market in my neighborhood closed, meaning the lockdown has forced me to have to go out of my way into a dangerous supermarket pietri dish. i dont touch surfaces walking, its hard not to going to the supermarket

    i dont mind leaders broaching the subject of should we go back to work. im not saying i agree with it whole heartedly, but, its worth looking at. yes, all efforts should be put into not swamping the medical system, that is what this quarenteen is really for, but, i think we need to look at what can really work and what doesnt. for me its about going agresivly after anyone who is sick and the people around them and quarentining them, not multi millions who arent sick.

    but, im not flaunting the rules, but im doing what i have to do that wont get me sick if it is counter to some of the heavy handed rules we are being mandated now. this quarentine wont stop it, i have to brace for when the quarentine is over and its still out there and we all will get too relaxed

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    By the way I work in Land Internation Dept of a Global Logistics providor (one of the global top 3).

    International transport is in crisis of course (not only becasue of quarantine but also becasue or the crazy market reactions, currency rates etc).
    But still the traffic goes on, Italy closed completely only today. Other countries keep loading trucks, the trucks pass the border.

    By the way since january Russia closed the Chinese border, sea and air trasport stopped but the trucks kept going. Why? I think the driver has much more contacts on the way than air or sea crew.
    I think it is just becasue it is less noticeable. One truck - one or two drivers.
    Though there are thousands of trucks and huge money that trucking companies earned making China - EU routes via Russia when sea and air stopped.

    You can imagine the freight rate of a truck in comparison to sea containor? It is 5 times more expensive.

    And the drivers crossed the border! Yes, they were checked and followed (checked over in a week or two) but still.
    And according to reports none of them got sick!

    Now China in its turn closed the border but the trucks are still going.

    In Europe there si a bit more clarity but still last week we loaded 50 trucks from Czech -- they are almost all unloaded at destination in Russia now.
    Most trucks are European registarion and drivers but they can cross the bordersand come back.

    The time is as usual. The price is too more or less.

    Nobody speaks about it too much.
    Until today most Italian shippers could arrange the loading/unloading, only today when goverment officially forbid all the business except a few exceptions they had to stop.

    There is also some kind of hipocricy too.

    Only what is said in the news - do exist.

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    Take as look at China's Daily Increase (click on China in the list on the left then the Daily Increase tab in the bottom right): Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

    China beat Covid-19. The new cases now are mainly people entering China with the virus. Other countries can do what they did -- it's not magic. Test and isolate. All it takes is national political will.

    I just heard Spain joined Italy in surpassing China's death count. We could all be doing more. Half measures now mean extended suffering later.

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    If anyone's mentioned the homeless here I've missed it.

    I'm thinking now about the street people, the homeless. In Philadelphia----a very poorly managed city (thank you, do-nothing Mayor Kenney)---they are wedged into every available interstice----train and bus stations, shopping malls, main thoroughfares, etc.. The difference between Philly and NYC is that in NY the police have way more license to intervene and help street people get services they need. Here there's a hands-off policy. I'm sure that's going to change quickly.

    Which brings up the other point: shelters. If the homeless are mandated into shelters they are going to be in an environment which---aside from all the other hardships and real dangers---are disease mops. I fear this virus will multiply exponentially in this situation. And what resources to control it? What outcome? These people are considered expendable by many in power. Will the shelter people be shoved back into the streets? So many wild cards to consider.

    I'll leave my doubts about what the powers that be really wish would happen to these people out of this. It's not the time. But I really hope this problem everyone wants to keep invisible doesn't cost countless people who are already suffering horribly their lives...









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    I am not altogether sure China is reporting cases accurately anymore, or if they ever did in the first place. Same goes for Russia, North Korea and other countries with government officials (not their people) that have interests in seeing the failings of Europe and America. Just another pessimistic thought.

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    In the UK they are literally giving the homeless hotel rooms.

    turns out it’s actually quite easy to solve homelessness if you want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    Communism and socialism are different things outside the United States..

    Spot on.

    The term "socialism" is still code for communism for many in the U.S. Democratic socialists by extension, are merely commies trying to fly below radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcap
    Spot on.

    The term "socialism" is still code for communism for many in the U.S. Democratic socialists by extension, are merely commies trying to fly below radar.
    It doesn't have to mean anything. It's just a right-wing trigger word.

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    Social democracy and socialism are different things outside the US :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lammie200
    I am not altogether sure China is reporting cases accurately anymore, or if they ever did in the first place. Same goes for Russia, North Korea and other countries with government officials (not their people) that have interests in seeing the failings of Europe and America. Just another pessimistic thought.
    Can't remember who it was, maybe Doctor John on YouTube . Is it John Campbell? Anyway, was basically the idea that questionable data can somewhat be confirmed by whether it matches up with more reliable data elsewhere.

    From what I could see several days ago, the US was tracking almost EXACTLY on the same exponential curve as Italy , if you start with "day one " being the day of first 100 cases or so. At that point, you have to question all of the exceptionalist -type arguments for why the US won't be like China or Italy etc. , I would think.

    Anyway, just spit-balling from confinement here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    In the UK they are literally giving the homeless hotel rooms.

    turns out it’s actually quite easy to solve homelessness if you want to.
    It's not easy at all---the opposite of easy. It's damn complicated, and, without revealing too much, I know a lot about it. You can put them up in hotel rooms, but the hotel gets all the problems that homeless people bring. And who's gonna reach out and make sure they're tested and staying put? We're talking about people with serious mental and substance problems, people just out of jail, people with already compromised health. The long-term solution was supposed to be jobs and housing, but little progress has been made there. Now we have to consider the dangers of the epidemic, the immediate problem. Shelters would have to be closed by government mandate, and that's very complicated. To give you just one example of how an epidemic could spread wildly: the Bellevue Men's Shelter---central intake for all city shelters in NY---is legally bound to refuse no man. People wearing masks with TB are routinely seen standing on meal lines with the general population. So how're you gonna maintain 'social distancing' with 5 or more people in one room, and who know's who's already sick?

    Then there's 'three-quarter' housing: one step above a shelter, with 4 men in a room in bunk beds. These places get kickbacks from Medicaid and substance treatment programs, and it's quite a racket. They're not giving up that money too quick.

    It's the underbelly of society everyone would love to ignore, but those days are over now. And I wish I had an answer...

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    it all depends on if they are "critical theory " socialists , or supporters of social programs
    sure , they arnt communists , they are marx to gramsci to lenin, to stalin to the frankfurt school with marcuse and adorno to mao to che to fidel to chavez ( oh say can you see danny glover , oliver stone and sean penn)

    you all know who gramsci is , right? communist and facist get tossed around way too much. ill tell you this, the country i live in before it got ripped off big time by the leaders of the workers party , the red flag pt, was very plugged into socialism / marxism/ democratic socialism etc. most all the parties had like they were "socialist" in their title. all the parties got involved in the rip off but they led it.

    but , anti american socialist hook up to marxism ( lets save the deep history lesson for another thread, ive gone deep into it so i have big opinions) , had large groups of followers and militants who would do violence at their bidding, and, ive lived with their rhetoric and lies, and manipulations and half truths for more than thrity years and i can smell it a mile away. i know when someone is coming from the critical theory socialism. and beleive me, when push comes to shove, the pt sits with the pc , the workers party sits with the communist party. that is exactly what happened with the dilma impeachement,they sat right their at the defence table, the pt with the pc.

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    I'm not saying that politics has nothing to do with this conversation, but it sounds a lot like we're discussing whether or not this whole thing might be made up by less-democratic regimes who can't be trusted? If I'm misunderstanding, please help.

    If that's what we're talking about, what does it mean that America is tracking along pretty closely with the exponential growth curve of these "reds" (please read all possible humor and irony into that...)? I would think that the US is probably among the most conservative nations in the discussion, the most capitalist, the most interested in distancing themselves from China et al (even if there is to be assumed misinformation on both sides).

    Anyway, I would think that countries who are allegedly crapping out fake numbers for propaganda purposes would at least take a second to make their numbers look more different from each other. What am I missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
    I'm not saying that politics has nothing to do with this conversation, but it sounds a lot like we're discussing whether or not this whole thing might be made up by less-democratic regimes who can't be trusted? If I'm misunderstanding, please help.

    If that's what we're talking about, what does it mean that America is tracking along pretty closely with the exponential growth curve of these "reds" (please read all possible humor and irony into that...)? I would think that the US is probably among the most conservative nations in the discussion, the most capitalist, the most interested in distancing themselves from China et al (even if there is to be assumed misinformation on both sides).

    Anyway, I would think that countries who are allegedly crapping out fake numbers for propaganda purposes would at least take a second to make their numbers look more different from each other. What am I missing?
    It seems in the states some people are desperate to politicise it. I have to say this doesn’t seem to be true in the UK - at least at the moment - by and large and I’m very happy about this. Mostly people are falling in with plans, volunteering for the NHS (which btw is our national religion- even the tories have to pay it lip service) and there’s a general feeling of cross partisan agreement that this needs to be dealt with. A country that felt hopelessly divided a month ago now feels united. And while there’s a lot to criticise Boris for, it’s not a clash of realities.

    In the US there seems to be an attempt to make this into another front of the left v right culture war and it’s completely stupid. The virus doesn’t care what your politics are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    It seems in the states some people are desperate to politicise it.
    SOME? You're far too kind and diplomatic, honestly. I can't watch American coverage on this. It makes me sick.

    All blame and politics on both sides. I'm almost dumbstruck by its lack, when I turn on the BBC , or even channel 4 - at least relative to what we have here. The American media and politicians are killing people.

    On the ground, I can't even engage in a real conversation about things which we might actually do as individual citizens. Always devolves into who's at fault, what the government's doing/not doing etc., and this is from profoundly conservative people who are supposed to be about personal responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
    SOME? You're far too kind and diplomatic, honestly. I can't watch American coverage on this. It makes me sick.

    All blame and politics on both sides. I'm almost dumbstruck by its lack, when I turn on the BBC , or even channel 4 - at least relative to what we have here. The American media and politicians are killing people.

    On the ground, I can't even engage in a real conversation about things which we might actually do as individual citizens. Always devolves into who's at fault, what the government's doing/not doing etc., and this is from profoundly conservative people who are supposed to be account personal responsibility.
    I have been getting my news from British media for a few years now (BBC, The Economist etc.). American news is monetized in such a way that editorializing and even false reporting is profitable, hence we get what people are willing to pay for. If you are on the left watch CNN and read the Washington Post. If you are on the right read the Wall Street Journal and watch Fox.

    The bottom line for me is that in America, things are so polarized that no actual debate ever happens any more. It is just a bunch of people shouting at each other. My working quartet consists of two Democrats and two Republicans. We sometimes get into it but never seem to change any minds when we do. But the music transcends all that. And this damn virus has put the music on hold and maybe will silence it somewhat forever.

    The virus is killing more than people.

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    The only UK publication I trust is the FT because it has to print the truth. And, aptly enough, that is paywalled.

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    The US culture has always been about being practical and solving problems. Once they get over the obstacle of having someone who basically is just a shady businessman for a president, they 'll do their best. Hopefully some progress towards a better health system will come out of this. I mean, how many thousands of dollars would a pneumonia treatment normally cost (including intensive care), for an uninsured or partially insured patient in the states?. In Europe, zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    The US culture has always been about being practical and solving problems. Once they get over the obstacle of having someone who basically is just a shady businessman for a president, they 'll do their best. Hopefully some progress towards a better health system will come out of this. I mean, how many thousands of dollars would a pneumonia treatment normally cost (including intensive care), for an uninsured or partially insured patient in the states?. In Europe, zero.
    Sorry but I disagree with every sentence that you wrote. Ideology -- no, make that tribalism -- has defeated practicality. Trump's base are the ones who would benefit the the most from better healthcare but they are the most opposed to it.

    And somehow, the mess of the response to Covid-19 is Obama's fault.

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    Ideology -- no, make that tribalism -- has defeated practicality. Trump's base are the ones who would benefit the the most from better healthcare but they are the most opposed to it.
    I am aware of this, but i believe the upcoming shock of the epidemic may change things and perspectives significantly. This epidemic, only beginning yet, seems so devastating that it has literally put human activity on pause all over the globe. People are bound to panic, overreact, act irrationally, but also will see some things more clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    No one on the left likes CNN or the Washington Post. Centrists maybe. Third way democrats.
    US has a right wing bias compared to most of the world. CNN and Washington Post would be considered center-right in Europe, they are considered the radical left in the US. In the same vein the Democrat party is considered left for some reason in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    I am aware of this, but i believe the upcoming shock of the epidemic may change things and perspectives significantly. This epidemic, only beginning yet, seems so devastating that it has literally put human activity on pause all over the globe. People are bound to panic, overreact, act irrationally, but also will see some things more clearly.
    Too optimistic. I predict the search for the guilty and the punishment of the innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
    SOME? You're far too kind and diplomatic, honestly. I can't watch American coverage on this. It makes me sick.

    All blame and politics on both sides. I'm almost dumbstruck by its lack, when I turn on the BBC , or even channel 4 - at least relative to what we have here. The American media and politicians are killing people.

    On the ground, I can't even engage in a real conversation about things which we might actually do as individual citizens. Always devolves into who's at fault, what the government's doing/not doing etc., and this is from profoundly conservative people who are supposed to be about personal responsibility.
    that saddens me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    US has a right wing bias compared to most of the world. CNN and Washington Post would be considered center-right in Europe, they are considered the radical left in the US. Like wise the Democrat party is considered left for some reason in the US.
    Moot point, because no one in the US cares what other countries think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    US has a right wing bias compared to most of the world. CNN and Washington Post would be considered center-right in Europe, they are considered the radical left in the US. In the same vein the Democrat party is considered left for some reason in the US.
    Sure, I get that.

    But there is an actual left in the US now and they completely hate CNN and CNN hates and fears them. Not that I suspect that translates to a wider population (as we’ve seen with Bernie), but that was pretty unthinkable a few years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
    After a course or two in basic statistics, a talented student would be able to figure out whether or not to bet on hard 8 at a craps table. (answer: don't).

    It is foundational to many fields, but barely scratches the surface of the sort of data analysis and mathematical modeling the epidemiologists use.

    At this point, because of the lack of tests, we actually know surprisingly little about the extent of infection in the USA. It's hard to construct good mathematical models using the sort of data which is available. The math, at this point, doesn't have to be terribly sophisticated. Rather, understanding who got tested and why is the key.

    The availability of testing is a key issue.

    1. We are quarantining health care providers for 14 days instead of testing them and quickly sending the healthy ones back to work.

    2. Lots of people are still walking around without knowing whether or not they're infected. If they knew, presumably they'd be more willing to self-quarantine. Let me restate this, because I think it's a key point. If we knew who was contagious, we could stop them from infecting others. That would slow down the rate of spread and flatten the curve.

    3. It would put the current level of speculation about the severity of the problem to rest. We would know more about who is infected, how it spreads and what to do about it.
    Exactly. The larger the database, the tighter the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sully75
    How do you define normal?

    Germans clearly are going to be awesome at this. "hey we got new rules for stuff! This is going to be awesome!!" "Hey don't hog the all the rules!!! Give me some!!!"
    lol, the joke when I was in Spain was, a European's idea of Heaven is where the French are the cooks, the Italians are the lovers, the Germans are the mechanics, and the British are the police.

    A European's idea of Hell is where the British are the cooks, the Italians are the mechanics, the French are the lovers, and the Germans are the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
    Moot point, because no one in the US cares what other countries think.
    So goes California, so goes the nation. I'm just another hick in fly-over country. My opinion doesn't matter.

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    As a talking head recently said, "We're all socialists, now."

    I live in a small SC town almost two hours from Columbia. I have season tickets to the philharmonic orchestra and I'm very familiar with the active jazz scene there. The orchestra and many of the jazz musicians are doing FB/YT live simulcasts and soliciting for contributions. So far, they have generated lots of funding, and the video and audio has been excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zigzag
    As a talking head recently said, "We're all socialists, now."

    I live in a small SC town almost two hours from Columbia. I have season tickets to the philharmonic orchestra and I'm very familiar with the active jazz scene there. The orchestra and many of the jazz musicians are doing FB/YT live simulcasts and soliciting for contributions. So far, they have generated lots of funding, and the video and audio has been excellent.
    Okay wiseass, why are you actually talking about the coronavirus impact on jazz?

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    CV impact on jazz is much like the punctuation mark at the end of this sentence.

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    Some of the comments on this post are getting a bit testy, which is more can be said for public health policy.

    boom ching

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    Total cases has just exceeded 500,000: Coronavirus Update (Live): 503,083 Cases and 22,339 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

    I read that it took 167 days from the first case to 100,000; 11 more days to 200,000; 4 days to 300,000; 2 or 3 days to 400,000.

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    Christian, I see what you did there.

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    watch out with that sarcasm , you guys , somebody might crack a smile...

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizenk74
    https-::apple.news:ACoT5Ron2QDeFtaTUMK7R9A


    Highly recommended. Please share this.
    without the apple thingy:

    How Will the Coronavirus End? - The Atlantic

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    The US now has more covid19 cases than China, and we haven't really even started testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell
    The US now has more covid19 cases than China, and we haven't really even started testing.
    I think we need to understand there's no way China's numbers were reported correctly.

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    During Katrina the Coast Guard threw out the rule book to get things done. The Army Corps of Engineers is thinking along those lines:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevebol
    During Katrina the Coast Guard threw out the rule book to get things done. The Army Corps of Engineers is thinking along those lines:
    Well, look at that! Someone in charge who has his spit together!

    An encouraging address...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnzo
    I think we need to understand there's no way China's numbers were reported correctly.
    There's lots of evidence that Iran (for example) is seriously under reporting its' cases - satellite photos of new mass graves in Qom, the fact that they reported 2 deaths before any confirmed cases, the numbers don't follow the pattern seen elsewhere, including China - travellers from Iran took the Virus to Canada before Iran declared any cases... etc etc.

    The informed consensus is that China, despite it's initial denial / cover up is now reporting accurate figures.

    Unless I missed something ?

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    So now Boris Johnson has Covid-19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dot75
    There's lots of evidence that Iran (for example) is seriously under reporting its' cases - satellite photos of new mass graves in Qom, the fact that they reported 2 deaths before any confirmed cases, the numbers don't follow the pattern seen elsewhere, including China - travellers from Iran took the Virus to Canada before Iran declared any cases... etc etc.

    The informed consensus is that China, despite it's initial denial / cover up is now reporting accurate figures.

    Unless I missed something ?
    Most countries under report cases, and all countries measure differently, too many parameters come into play, so statistics are to be viewed as rough estimations at best.