Reply to Thread Bookmark Thread
Posts 1 to 19 of 19
  1. #1

    User Info Menu

    Was serious, complex music with philosophical and political themes supplanted by beach fantasies? Did challenging, intellectual music succumb to the power of relaxing tunes? Was the urban realism of post-bop smothered by suburban escapism? I think we should be told.



    Did bossa nova kill jazz?-out-there-jpgDid bossa nova kill jazz?-bossa-nova-rio-jpg

  2.  

    The Jazz Guitar Chord Dictionary
     
  3. #2

    User Info Menu

    Nah. It was more like:

    1. Small group jazz, lots of improvisation, virtuosity, Charlie Parker...
    2. Elvis, Beatniks, Folkies,
    3. The Beatles and all who followed really put the nail in the coffin.

    But then something strange happened.

    In the late 60s the rockers became enamored with long jams, hot solos, and so on.
    Then we had a renewed interest in jazz in the 70s for awhile.

    4. But then came along Disco, Rap, Hip-Hop.

  4. #3

    User Info Menu

    When has serious, complex, intellectual music ever been the touchstone for popularity?

    Louis Armstrong among others observed that when bebop came in, jazz traded melody and danceability for speed and complexity. Jazz as a popular art form faded away.

    Yes there were crazes from time to time, mostly trying to pin jazz on some pop trend of the time like bossa nova or rock (fusion) or even hip hop.

    Let’s face it...after the 50’s jazz became niche music. It was bound to happen anyway.
    “Without music, life would be a mistake”--Friedrich Nietzsche

    Current lineup: Gibson ES-135 ('02), Peerless Sunset, Harmony Brilliant Cutaway ('64), Godin 5th Avenue, Alvarez AC60 A/E classical, Kay K37 ('56), Fender Squier VM Jazz bass, several ukes. Amps: Fishman Artist, Fender SCXD, Pignose 7-100.

  5. #4

    User Info Menu

    Yes, every time you call a Bossa Nova tune on a jazz gig you're accomplice to murder!

  6. #5

    User Info Menu

    Apples and Oranges. They can be blended with positive results, but they're still different species.

  7. #6

    User Info Menu

    hmmm, things have apparently gotten shortened here
    Sounded pretty civil from what I could tell, but didn't catch the last couple posts
    carry on....

  8. #7

    User Info Menu

    Latin music is straight time.

  9. #8

    User Info Menu

    No styles of music are dead. They need each other to survive. Bossa nova is samba music dressed in jazz clothes. Without jazz music, bossa nova would’ve been just samba music. Like someone other said, there’s no danger of mixing apples and oranges. It’s still music, right?
    Have I found it yet? I said that but I didn’t knew it. Did I knew that I had found it yet? No, it wasn’t what I was looking for. Nevermind. Ok.

    -Pataphysical monologue based on Cartesian theory

  10. #9

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon View Post
    hmmm, things have apparently gotten shortened here
    Sounded pretty civil from what I could tell, but didn't catch the last couple posts
    carry on....
    Hey, there are two very similar threads about jazz and bossa but under different forums.

    The other one is in 'theory'.

    I also believed my posts were removed HERE but I was mistaken (they are THERE).

  11. #10
    Im not an expert, but dont know, "bossa nova killed jazz", too big phrase to say.

    I think funk and soul killed jazz much more than bossa nova, bossa nova gave jazz a new air, and became a fasion many jazzers follow, I think refresh it, but funk-rock-soul thing i think killed jazz.

    Lot jazz players of the time started playing funk, more simpler music, just because "it was the new and cool thing of the time", and they thought they were evolvin the music, but to my ear they backed up lot of steps for a "new cool sound".

  12. #11

    User Info Menu

    Jazz is still alive and kickin'! All Bossa Nova did was add to jazz, Charlie Byrd comes to mind! The deal with playing jazz is it's an exclusive art form and you gotta feel it in order to play it well! What other music could be written in 7/8's time and be good to many of us? Yeah, Don Ellis wrote Turkish Bath in the late 1960's but I could still hear a band playing it today, just not for 10 minutes like his other album release! lol Or Dave Brubeck with his 5/4 timing? Only jazz, only jazz!



    Turkish Bath by Don Ellis - UNC Jazz Press

  13. #12

    User Info Menu

    Just heard the news from the forensic lab- Jazz killed itself.

  14. #13

    User Info Menu

    Listening to the newly available Getz recording (Live at the Village Gate), recorded just before his work with Gilberto, one must conclude that Bossa Nova killed straight-ahead jazz for a lot of people. Cause Getz didn't return to straight-ahead stuff for a LONG time.

    I think a lot of jazz musicians and people in that circle looked at his success and said, hmmm, maybe there's a way to make a lot more money out of this stuff than we've been making?
    “Without music, life would be a mistake”--Friedrich Nietzsche

    Current lineup: Gibson ES-135 ('02), Peerless Sunset, Harmony Brilliant Cutaway ('64), Godin 5th Avenue, Alvarez AC60 A/E classical, Kay K37 ('56), Fender Squier VM Jazz bass, several ukes. Amps: Fishman Artist, Fender SCXD, Pignose 7-100.

  15. #14

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff View Post
    Listening to the newly available Getz recording (Live at the Village Gate), recorded just before his work with Gilberto, one must conclude that Bossa Nova killed straight-ahead jazz for a lot of people. Cause Getz didn't return to straight-ahead stuff for a LONG time.

    I think a lot of jazz musicians and people in that circle looked at his success and said, hmmm, maybe there's a way to make a lot more money out of this stuff than we've been making?
    So did George Benson 'kill' jazz as well?

  16. #15

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by jameslovestal View Post
    So did George Benson 'kill' jazz as well?
    No, but in his autobiography he ends it with the conclusion that Charlie Parker killed jazz.

  17. #16

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by sgcim View Post
    No, but in his autobiography he ends it with the conclusion that Charlie Parker killed jazz.
    To me Parker was one of the individuals that made jazz what it is.

    Benson decided that making money was more important than playing jazz. (something I understand since making money is key to our society).

  18. #17

    User Info Menu

    Buddy Holly killed jazz, and that's why they had to take him out. But, it was too late.....

  19. #18

    User Info Menu

    Jazz when it was Pop music performed by great musicians was probably the height of all Pop music. Later Boss's Nova and Latin was great as well. And then came the Folk Boom around the same time.
    And although it was sometimes performed by great musicians as well.The harmonic structure allowed more amateur guitar players an in to the Pop world.
    Then came the Beatles and as stated above it put the nail in the coffin.

    I love the Beatles and many other rock and folk musicians for their contributions. But allowing bad guitarists to take over,Just as in newer church music. It has ruined music for good I'm afraid.
    And even worse computers have made it possible for absolute non musicians to take over,YUK!!!

  20. #19

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by jameslovestal View Post
    To me Parker was one of the individuals that made jazz what it is.

    Benson decided that making money was more important than playing jazz. (something I understand since making money is key to our society).
    I look at this differently. Benson is jazz. Whatever he plays is nothing but jazz. Sometimes maybe not the type you like, but he never ceased to be a jazz musician to me.